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Senators Got 154-Page “Fiscal Cliff” Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It
Cybercast News Service ^ | January 2, 2013 | Matt Cover

Posted on 01/02/2013 5:26:58 PM PST by Olog-hai

The U.S. Senate voted 89-8 to approve legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff despite having only 3 minutes to read the 154-page bill and budget score.

Multiple Senate sources have confirmed to CNSNews.com that senators received the bill at approximately 1:36 AM on Jan. 1, 2013—a mere three minutes before they voted to approve it at 1:39 AM. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: cantreadthebill; fiscalcliffdeal; fiscalcliffvote; goldmansachs; libertybonds; norepresentation; readthebill

1 posted on 01/02/2013 5:27:07 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
We know that sort of practice is a problem but the Senators don't know that. Most of them have difficulty enough trying to focus well enough to walk to say nothing of read a printed page.

And they were drunk.

2 posted on 01/02/2013 5:28:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/02/us-municipals-liberty-idUSBRE9010QA20130102

“Congressional lawmakers added a provision into legislation on avoiding the U.S. “fiscal cliff” that extends for two years issuance of Liberty Bonds, the debt authorized after the September 11, 2001, attacks to help rebuild New York...
$1.24 billion of revenue bonds sold in 2005 were used for a loan for building the headquarters of Goldman Sachs. Those bonds are repaid with money Goldman puts toward its loan. This allowed Goldman to borrow at tax-exempt rates...Goldman was the lead manager on the last sale of the bonds, $1.65 billion of new and refunding revenue debt, in July. JP Morgan was the lead underwriter for the previous sale, in March, of $450 million revenue refunding bonds.”

Well, heck, everybody was taken care of- what’s the problem?


3 posted on 01/02/2013 5:32:07 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Olog-hai

The writer seems to think these guys actually read the things the vote on.. Silly writer...


4 posted on 01/02/2013 5:41:06 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder what would happen if residents of a State, using the initiative process and popular election, made it a FELONY for ANY Resident of the State that is an Elected Representative to VOTE for ANY Legislation without Reading it in it’s entirety?? This would be a STATE CRIME. What could the Feds do??


5 posted on 01/02/2013 5:42:16 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: muawiyah

So this is how the US Govenment works............
Holiday Night last minute back room deals.......
Elected officials just cave-in without reading the Bills...

This is the Country that tells other Countries how they should Govern their people?

Ha, ha, ah-——— What a Joke!


6 posted on 01/02/2013 5:45:40 PM PST by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: muawiyah
Well that's more time than I got....

pissed taxpayer

7 posted on 01/02/2013 5:46:38 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Olog-hai

Well you have to pass the bill to..ah...find out what is in it.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 5:52:44 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: All

so this is business as usual?

wth, i think i’ll move to japan or taiwan, at least i can eat better. need a few years to get rid of my houses and my wife.

the last part is a joke.


9 posted on 01/02/2013 5:55:52 PM PST by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: EnglishOnly; All

As the worm turns...

Tim Carney: How corporate tax credits got in the ‘cliff’ deal

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-how-corporate-tax-credits-got-in-the-cliff-deal/article/2517397#.UOTj2-R4pb-


10 posted on 01/02/2013 6:04:03 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Olog-hai

this is how good government operates.

/sarc


11 posted on 01/02/2013 6:30:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Olog-hai
Did Feinswine put the "Assault Weapons Ban" in this mess before it was submitted and passed in THREE minutes? Did anyone in the House even get to read it before they rammed it through and His Majesty immediately decreed it?

It might be part of the Law Of The Land as far as anybody knows!

Does anybody know?

Does anybody have a clue?

Does anybody in Washington care?

12 posted on 01/02/2013 6:31:47 PM PST by Gritty (This election represents the last exit ramp before the death spiral - Mark Steyn)
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To: PMAS
Well you have to pass the bill to..ah...find out what is in it.

My thoughts as well. Is Pelosi now in the Senate? (/s)

13 posted on 01/02/2013 6:36:07 PM PST by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Olog-hai

So disgusted that Pat Toomey (my PA Senator)voted for this piece of crap! He ran as a Tea Party conservative. What BS!!! Not one cent to the GOP ever again!!


14 posted on 01/02/2013 6:39:12 PM PST by Cookies4ever (6? That's like)
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To: Olog-hai
The federal government is a thoroughly dysfunctional, corrupt, and greedy operation.
How is society supposed to continue to function morally when those in government are increasingly dishonest?
15 posted on 01/02/2013 6:40:31 PM PST by Amagi (John "Cry Baby" Boehner is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Olog-hai

Most of these guys are lawyers. They wouldn’t sign anything that affected them personally without reading it through—even the bad lawyers among them. But, hey, this is just law-making for the whole country.


16 posted on 01/02/2013 7:05:40 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 7:21:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Amagi

And they are are admired for the ability to perform mendacity with aplomb. Far too many people admire their ability to lie convincingly. Can’t wait to see the debt ceiling deal. I am certain Boehner will stand strong as will all the pubbies. Do I really need a slash tag?


18 posted on 01/02/2013 7:31:40 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Olog-hai
Ok. Every day of the last four years seems to be like 'ground hog day'. I swear I've read this same article and the exact same comments at least 8 times in the past four years. Like: I'm not sending the GOP another dime. <- Like that matters anymore? DC is out of control. DC doesn't read anything it passes, because they already know what's in there. Obozo-commie-care is about to bear it's true weight down upon us. It was decades in the making. DC is about to ban certain type of bearable arms, AGAIN! and WORSE!. They will make it stick this time. SCOTUS has turned completely Left and against We the People, and will not restrain Congress. NO ONE will restrain the Won! Can someone please ask Rush if it is Time to Panic yet. I quit listening because he's got no answers either. I believe the answer is, conserve and let it all burn down until the mess reaches my locale, and then dig in behind a blade of grass.

Good luck to you all.

End of Rant.

Thank you.

19 posted on 01/02/2013 7:31:57 PM PST by ri4dc (Cut your cable. You'll need the extra dough later on.)
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To: Olog-hai

Olog-hai~:”(from the article) Multiple Senate sources have confirmed to CNSNews.com that senators received the bill at approximately 1:36 AM on Jan. 1, 2013—a mere three minutes before they voted to approve it at 1:39 AM. …”

Dang there are a lot of speed readers in the Senate !!
Considering that this was produced in a boiler-room , back door ,with no discussion , it is no wonder that the U. S. government is upside -down .


20 posted on 01/02/2013 7:40:25 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: Olog-hai

Welcome to the Duma, Comrades!


21 posted on 01/02/2013 7:51:59 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, isn’t the whole country ‘run’ by the aides and staffs?
I had ‘tongue in cheek’, jokingly, said “Lets just pay them ALL 5 or 10 mill per yr”, let them hire their own staff, pay their own transportation, meals, baby sitters, maintaining 2nd house, retirement package, if they want to hire their wife, mother, grandmother etc - no problem.
The certain ‘check points’ - pesky little things like budgets, etc - if not met, will have a penalty assessed.

They used to tell us ‘years ago’ that if their ‘steady pay raises’ were not met we might end up with grifters, gypsies, tramps and thieves, felons, disbarred judges, welfare queens, tax cheats, drug users etc etc etc as members of the House, Senate and Cabinet Members.

So, I am glad ‘we’ caved to their demands so we were able to ensure NONE of the above would be passing laws and judgement upon us.
We have a Black pResident, a goofy Vice pResident, gonadless Speaker of the House, female Sec of State, Black Atty Gen, Several female and Minority Cabinet heads, 3 women and 1 Black on the Supreme Court AND YET we ‘allow’ them to campaign on the fact that Minorities and Women are 2nd class citizens who WE, are holding back.

Here we are on the ‘brink’ of economic destruction (<:) and these fools are running around in Govt Aircraft and Vehicles like the fleet was made up of used Yugos with the ‘jet setting’ first Family living better than royalty ALL on our dime.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 8:18:31 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Olog-hai

Oh, joy. Good government in action./sarc


23 posted on 01/03/2013 2:03:12 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: xrmusn
The bill is 154-pages and includes several provisions that are unrelated to the fiscal cliff, including repealing a section of ObamaCare, extending the wind-energy tax credit, and a rum tax subsidy deal for Puerto Rican rum makers.

24 posted on 01/03/2013 4:40:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Makes ya wonder how these poor, overworked politicians had enough time to include this other stuff; doesn’t it!

Not me!

I conclude that they have PILES of this stuff; already typed up and ready to insert; into ANY bill at an instant’s notice!

How do WE stop this chicanery?


25 posted on 01/03/2013 4:43:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I conclude that they have ...

If not 'they', then SOMEone has!

26 posted on 01/03/2013 4:44:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

II Chronicles 7:14


27 posted on 01/03/2013 4:47:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Olog-hai
Well, you see, it was, after all 2 a.m. in the morning. You should not focus on the fact they had well over a year to hash this out and maybe force the DemonCrats to actually put their name on a piece of legislation concerning taxes and budgets (which they have not done for over 1300 days). No. No. Just keep in mind that these learned, respected (among themselves only) and esteemed (only in their own minds) Octogenarians and Septuagenarians were well pass their bed times and were in no mood to read anything that would effect the nation without having their warm milk and cookies first. I'm 62 and I know a bunch of useless old farts when I see them.
28 posted on 01/03/2013 5:13:28 AM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: Olog-hai
Well, you see, it was, after all 2 a.m. in the morning. You should not focus on the fact they had well over a year to hash this out and maybe force the DemonCrats to actually put their name on a piece of legislation concerning taxes and budgets (which they have not done for over 1300 days). No. No. Just keep in mind that these learned, respected (among themselves only) and esteemed (only in their own minds) Octogenarians and Septuagenarians were well pass their bed times and were in no mood to read anything that would effect the nation without having their warm milk and cookies first. I'm 62 and I know a bunch of useless old farts when I see them.
29 posted on 01/03/2013 5:17:17 AM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: Olog-hai
Well, you see, it was, after all 2 a.m. in the morning. You should not focus on the fact they had well over a year to hash this out and maybe force the DemonCrats to actually put their name on a piece of legislation concerning taxes and budgets (which they have not done for over 1300 days). No. No. Just keep in mind that these learned, respected (among themselves only) and esteemed (only in their own minds) Octogenarians and Septuagenarians were well pass their bed times and were in no mood to read anything that would effect the nation without having their warm milk and cookies first. I'm 62 and I know a bunch of useless old farts when I see them.
30 posted on 01/03/2013 5:17:37 AM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: Elsie

Exactly what part of Obamacare has been repealed?


31 posted on 01/03/2013 9:23:42 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
CLASS Act.

See Here.

32 posted on 01/03/2013 9:43:28 AM PST by Cooter
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To: ridesthemiles
Exactly what part of Obamacare has been repealed?

I'll bet it was NOT the part that didn't get read in IT before it was passed; too!

33 posted on 01/03/2013 1:22:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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