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Panetta allows general to retire as 3-star
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_22299605/panetta-allows-general-retire-3-star ^ | January 3, 2013 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 01/02/2013 5:27:38 PM PST by xzins

WASHINGTON—Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has permitted a three-star Army general accused of bullying subordinates to retire without a demotion in rank, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

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A Pentagon inspector general's investigation last year found that O'Reilly regularly yelled and screamed at subordinates, often in public, demeaned and belittled employees and behaved in such a way as to result in the departure of at least six senior staffers from the Missile Defense Agency during his time as its director.

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However, Panetta also placed in O'Reilly's permanent file a letter of reprimand, according to a senior defense official. The official, who disclosed the reprimand on condition of anonymity because it will not be publicly announced, said the letter states that Panetta disapproves of O'Reilly's management and behavior as head of the Missile Defense Agency.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dod; panetta; usarmy

1 posted on 01/02/2013 5:27:44 PM PST by xzins
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To: Lancey Howard

Not that this LTG is Gen George Patton, but.....

Panetta wouldn’t have liked my basic training platoon sergeant. :>)


2 posted on 01/02/2013 5:28:59 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Hell, I wrote one of my LORs before the event occurred, and handed it to the shop chief when the event was over. He signed it, it went into the record.

It didn't even leave mark.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/02/2013 5:32:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

A LOR these days is career ending, for anyone.


4 posted on 01/02/2013 5:35:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: xzins

Uh oh, the general must’ve made a female cry or something. God forbid we teach men to be tough.. I mean, we wouldn’t want them to kill the enemy or something like that. /s


5 posted on 01/02/2013 5:35:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: xzins

During my AF Academy years, we had a name for people like this: “flamer”. NOT a complimentary term. I knew my share both in and after the Academy as an active duty pilot.

In short, the guy’s an insecure asshole. He should never have gotten a star, let alone 3 of ‘em.

It’s all who you know, folks.....trust me.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 5:37:18 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Being head of the missile defense agency, OReilly probably had the field grade girls all atwitter with the injustice of it all.


7 posted on 01/02/2013 5:38:14 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Panetta wouldn’t have liked my basic training platoon sergeant. :>)

Wow, we must have had the same guy........

8 posted on 01/02/2013 5:39:12 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: xzins

So he retires under ‘double secret probation’

Same check


9 posted on 01/02/2013 5:40:10 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: RightOnline

In the old army they had a class called “cussing for commanders”.

“Lack of ability with colorful commentary” was a failing evaluation.

:>)


10 posted on 01/02/2013 5:40:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Ft Jackson, 1970....

Ahhh....the memories


11 posted on 01/02/2013 5:42:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: maine yankee

“double secret probation”

LOL!


12 posted on 01/02/2013 5:43:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: driftdiver
>>>A LOR these days is career ending, for anyone.

No...they're not. I've written an LOR and that individual has moved on, improved and been promoted twice. It was an LOR for an AWOL. There was some politics involved (they had 1st and 2nd level command permission to be on leave) and I was ordered to write it by the Wing Commander.

In most cases an LOR stays in your file for 6 months...doesn't go forward...and after 6 months...if you've been good...it's shredded. Different procedures govern different LOR's...depending on the service.

Now...and LOR for a general or a field grade officer or senior NCO? Yeah...usually career ending. An LOR for a company grade, NCO or airman/soldier/seaman/jarhead? No. You can recover from that.

13 posted on 01/02/2013 5:46:17 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: xzins
Halfway through basic, SSgt Briones (I'll never forget that name), went through a messy divorce and MOVED INTO THE BARRACKS with us. Holy carp.

/johnny

14 posted on 01/02/2013 5:46:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Worked for my share of hard asses as part of the big Green Machine. Some had the background and responsibility to warrant it, and I was fortunate to train under them. Some were merely dilettantes and were shown the door in short order. Troops can smell out a fraud PDQ.


15 posted on 01/02/2013 5:50:34 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: xzins

So?!?!? LOL sounds to me like his subordinates were probably girlish if they have to complain about being bullied.

It says more about them and their ability to manage their boss.


16 posted on 01/02/2013 5:50:52 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NELSON111

I never saw anyone recover. Get an LOR, pull the clearance, put on grass duty, commence finding a reason for another LOR and then outprocessing.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 5:51:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bet that was fun.


18 posted on 01/02/2013 5:51:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Vendome

the kinder, gentler, pinker army


19 posted on 01/02/2013 5:53:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: RightOnline
Thank you for your service. I fed you guys. I know what a 'low-residue' meal is. It's not happy making.

God bless the men that fly and fight.

Sure, I had a card that said I had attended ACESII training, and could put my head over the seat of an F-15 or F-16.

No way. That stuff is dangerous just sitting there with all the pins in.

Someone has to burn holes through empty sky. Better you than me.

/johnny

20 posted on 01/02/2013 5:58:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: xzins
It was certainly intense. And clean. Very, very clean.

/johnny

21 posted on 01/02/2013 6:04:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: xzins

The clowns on here who compare a basic training drill sergeant to a three-star general have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about. They’ve obviously never worked under a genuine petty tyrant with no ability to do anything about it due to his rank. This guy is an embarrassment, so, naturally, nothing really happened to him.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 6:04:59 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I had a battalion commander pick up a chair in the middle of a staff briefing and throw it against the wall and stalk out.

West point grad.

Different army. He was an SOB, but he was our SOB.

Now, it appears, evewyone’s widdle feewers would get huwt.


23 posted on 01/02/2013 6:09:18 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Panetta and the girlies wouldn’t have liked Curtis LeMay either.The colour blue wasn’t just for the uniform.


24 posted on 01/02/2013 6:26:40 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: xzins

Back in the mid to late 2000’s, I worked at a MDA site in Colorado Springs and one of the main executives was this West Point ring knocker who retired as an Army Colonel. The guy was so full of himself. When he took over originally as a commander, he had a couple of sysadmins fired and escorted off the base for daring to wear blue jeans to work ! Afterward, he issued an edict that no one was to wear blue jeans to the building, period. This included evenings, nights and weekends. If you close to this ring knocker in some kind of capacity, not only was blue jeans off limits but you better be wearing a long sleeve button down shirt. Short sleeve was unacceptable.

One other item, in conjunction with the base, he instituted a highway safety phone line where you can report anyone’s driving and if the driving was unsafe, you were called in for a meeting with the base commander and the ring knocker if you worked in his group. However, it was discontinued after several years and before my time.

He wasted a lot of money on a lot of aesthetic items for the building like glass doors which easily broke during wind storms. Fancy water fountains and tiling. For the building’s cafeteria, he even dictated the prices charged for food and drinks and insisted on sales tax being charged even though sales taxes are not normally charged on military bases. Even with all of the money wasted on making the facility fancy, it was routine for the bathrooms to be shutdown for maintenance issues. Even with the bathrooms shutdown, you better not wander off too far to use a different one.

Luckily in my position, I worked for the USAF and had nothing to do with ring knocker so I wore blue jeans everyday. The AF guys didn’t exactly like this ring knocker either. On my last day working there, when I out-processed, I had to take my paperwork to Pass and ID across the base, turn in my badge then I had to go back to the building to turn in a piece of paper and parking was horrendous. I parked in the ring knocker’s protocol parking spots. There were like 30 of them right by the building to enter the base and were empty just about all the time. That day I also had cutoff shorts and sandals on.

What I understood, this ring knocker was one of General O’Reilly’s favored boys too.

Oh, one of the ring knocker’s favorite things to do was like on a Thu afternoon or Fri morning call for a mandatory meeting like at 4pm on Fri afternoon and then half of the time, he cancels it or shows up late.


25 posted on 01/02/2013 6:34:55 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: driftdiver
>>>I never saw anyone recover. Get an LOR, pull the clearance, put on grass duty, commence finding a reason for another LOR and then outprocessing.

You don't get your clearance pulled (in most cases) for an LOR. You will get a UIF but there is a disposition date on the file of 2 years...but in most cases they don't take away your clearance. I think its (in the AF) 36-2907 that deals with UIF's and LORs.

26 posted on 01/02/2013 6:46:02 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: RightOnline
I agree; flamers come across as the kind of leaders who simply can't deal well with bad news and the troops they will lead in combat are not filled with confidence.

The most meaningful ass chewings I ever received were delivered in cool, calm, even tones, and it's a style I always tried to emulate when verbal reprimands were in order.

27 posted on 01/02/2013 6:53:03 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: xzins

No. Panetta has no such power. All rank above O-8 is appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Only the Senate can allow anyone to retire above O-8. Panetta can only suggest.


28 posted on 01/02/2013 6:54:55 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Future Snake Eater

You wrote: “They’ve obviously never worked under a genuine petty tyrant with no ability to do anything about it due to his rank.”

Excellent characterization: “genuine petty tyrant.” That’s what they are and most of them are cowards. And there reputations usually precede them upon reassignment.

In my career twilight tour as an XO, my retiring Sgt Major gave me a heads up that our incoming CO had the notoriety of having had no less than seven Marine Captains resign during various stages of his tenure as a Marine Infantry Battalion Commander.

I told the Sgt Major: “That’s OK because the Commandant of the Marine Corps and I have something in common. We were both at our terminal grades.”


29 posted on 01/02/2013 6:57:06 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Joe Marine 76

“...their reputations...”


30 posted on 01/02/2013 6:58:50 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: CORedneck

I was line division officer as my first job in my first squadron. The CO made my men go out every evening and “dress down” the propellers on all nine of our P-3 aircraft so that the four prop blades boxed the compass. These bastards were huge and heavy and it made me laugh that the CO was such a dick. We would have followed him exactly nowhere.


31 posted on 01/02/2013 6:59:56 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: xzins

We deserve to lose. This guy gets in trouble for yelling, and nobody gets in trouble when four Americans die in Benghazi. I hope there was an EO Officer at their funerals.


32 posted on 01/02/2013 7:34:40 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: xzins

My favorite ever Skipper (C.O.) was mellow and truly a nice person. However, I was in the ship’s wardroom the day he picked up a San Diego phone book and threw it at the Ops officer (who had it coming). I was an E-3 fly on the wall. When I determined that no other objects were going to be outbound I walked over, picked up the phone book and returned it to its proper place. The Skipper just smiled at me.


33 posted on 01/02/2013 8:26:33 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

on the opposite side of the coin, I was an E-2, and I had E-5’s working for me...

talk about a balancing act...


34 posted on 01/03/2013 4:55:12 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: xzins

Have come across several Army officers whose style of ‘leadership’ was like this. Their preferred approach was to wire brush as many underlings as possible.


35 posted on 01/03/2013 5:43:50 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

In my career it was probably equally divided between those with an authoritative style and those with a more participatory style. The real question for the military should be, within certain limits, of course, with either style, simple effectiveness.

If a commander carries off that hard-nosed, SOB style, but is also ultimately effective in all aspects of command, then he is not a lone ranger. He stands amongst a huge group of commanders throughout history who have effectively used the same leadership style in a military setting.

In the same way as an authoritative leader can be ineffective, so can a participatory leader. That style can be a cover for weakness and indecisiveness, which are both terribly detrimental on a battlefield.

The military’s objective is to win the nation’s wars. Period. It is not for social experimentation, for allowing people to enhance the self-esteem, or for providing jobs to make the UE3 look a bit better at the end of the month.

Feelings oriented commentators, in my humble opinion, are ignorant. That’s the bottom line.

An effective SOB is effective, even if he is an SOB. Unless laws are broken, that should be the bottom line when it comes to the one institution in this nation that simply cannot afford to lose.


36 posted on 01/03/2013 5:58:02 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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