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Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?
American Thinker ^ | January 3, 2013 | William A. Levinson

Posted on 01/02/2013 11:52:28 PM PST by neverdem

Senator Dianne Feinstein's latest divide-and-conquer attack on the Second Amendment has made even Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) a sucker for the argument that private citizens do not need high-capacity magazines. These include not only 30-round rifle magazines, but 17-round magazines for handguns like the Glock.

Why does anybody need a high capacity magazine? If Senator Manchin were to educate himself by, for example, attending Front Sight's four-day defensive handgun class, he would learn the two primary answers:

(1) Failure to stop the aggressor, and

(2) Multiple aggressors

Failure to Stop

The classic .38 caliber revolver, with a capacity of six rounds, was the standard sidearm of the United States Army during the Moro insurrection in the Philippines. The Army found at least one dead Army officer with an empty sidearm, and his head split open by a machete or similar weapon. They also found the soldier's killer, who had finally bled to death. Six rounds of .38 were therefore not enough to convince even one determined attacker.

Police instructor Masaad Ayoob's The Truth About Self Protection adds an incident in which a female police officer saw a crazed gunman murder a woman, who then shot her as well before she could do anything. "She lay helpless as she watched a neighbor empty a .22 rifle into the killer; the neighbor then had to club the madman down with the empty rifle, again and again, before he succumbed."

Ayoob does not report the size of the .22's magazine, but the Moro insurrection exemplifies why even a 30-round rifle clip might not be enough to stop a crazed and determined attacker, such as one hopped up on a drug like PCP. "He had 32 Krag balls through him and was only stopped by the 33rd bullet -- a Colt .45 slug through..."...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 30round; banglist; fromeachaccording; governmentuberalles; guncontrol; magazine; toeachaccording; whydoesanybodyneed
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Don't forget WHEN ‘ASSAULT WEAPONS’ SAVED KOREATOWN.
1 posted on 01/02/2013 11:52:36 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Why does anyone need a mocha latte when a cup of coffee will do. Why does anyone need designer clothes when a t shirt and jeans will do?


2 posted on 01/02/2013 11:58:21 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: neverdem

And that is why I prefer .45 230grain JHP by Hornady and .308 whatever.

They both make what look like about the same size hole going in as a .223/556 or .38, .40, or 9mm but the hole on the other side makes a huge mess....


3 posted on 01/03/2013 12:00:18 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Daralundy

Thanks for making me laugh this morning!!!


4 posted on 01/03/2013 12:02:44 AM PST by gattaca ("Great things can be accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit." Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem
Some people need more killin than others.

I think the most obvious answer is multiple perps. It might look bad if I empty 6 shots into a perp and then have to cut his throat. What if i miss 3-4 times? There are many answers. I know in my life I don't feel good hog hunting without 20 rounds minimum. Sometimes they just keep coming. Hitting a moving target that wants to eat you sometimes takes a couple of rounds. Besides, shooting 1 hog when there are 12 just makes you want to fill your freezer more.

5 posted on 01/03/2013 12:02:44 AM PST by chuckles
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To: neverdem
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

Because the store was out of 40-round magazines.

6 posted on 01/03/2013 12:03:16 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

To make a 60-round clip by taping two mags back to back, of course.

7 posted on 01/03/2013 12:10:08 AM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: neverdem

why is it difi’s business? or anyone elses for that matter?


8 posted on 01/03/2013 12:12:55 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Daralundy
Yes! We need to STOP trying to make excuses for our rights! Why do we need a 30 round clip?

Why do you need a car that goes over 55 MPH?

9 posted on 01/03/2013 12:13:11 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: neverdem

It’s not safe to carry 30 rounds lose in your pocket!!!


10 posted on 01/03/2013 12:13:32 AM PST by dalereed
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To: neverdem

Because it’s (still) America and if someone wants one, by golly, they should be able to buy one.

Man, that woman irritates me.........


11 posted on 01/03/2013 12:13:52 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: neverdem
The classic .38 caliber revolver, with a capacity of six rounds, was the standard sidearm of the United States Army during the Moro insurrection in the Philippines. The Army found at least one dead Army officer with an empty sidearm, and his head split open by a machete or similar weapon. They also found the soldier's killer, who had finally bled to death. Six rounds of .38 were therefore not enough to convince even one determined attacker.

One Vietnam veteran I served with in the Marines was a young private in Vietnam, and one night he was on post at the wire with an older sergeant. All was quiet and the sergeant was dozing. Suddenly a screaming VC guerrilla ran through the wire spraying automatic fire. The private shot him numerous times but it didn't seem to slow the attacker down. This was during the Tet (a Vietnamese holiday time, the lunar new year) and the VC was drugged high as a kite and on a suicide mission with tourniquets tied on all his limbs to prevent bleeding out.

Anyway, the scared private turned to the sergeant and said, "He's still coming at us!" The sergeant calmly took aim with his M-203 (an M-16 with attached grenade launcher) and hit the attacker square in the chest with a grenade. End of attacker.

12 posted on 01/03/2013 12:14:27 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: imardmd1

Heard that wasn’t a good thing to do because you’re always shoving dirt, etc into the bottom mag..........Just saying.


13 posted on 01/03/2013 12:15:24 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Daralundy

A good cup of coffee won’t make you barf like just the thought of a mocha latte will!!!


14 posted on 01/03/2013 12:16:26 AM PST by dalereed
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To: neverdem

30 is the largest number such that all co-primes smaller than itself, except for 1, are prime.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 12:20:25 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

*bimp*

16 posted on 01/03/2013 12:24:45 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: neverdem

Why are people Liberal when a Frontal Lobotomy will do.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 12:28:25 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: neverdem

Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

Some times there’s just no explaining love.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 12:32:31 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Classical Mechanics
19 posted on 01/03/2013 12:45:01 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

LOL!


20 posted on 01/03/2013 12:52:28 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: neverdem

Why does one need a 30 round clip? Why does the chicken cross the road?


21 posted on 01/03/2013 12:56:17 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: neverdem; campaignPete R-CT; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

None of your goddamn business, that’s the point. You have no right to ban bullets or lightbulbs or toilets that work or plastic bags or PLASTIC BOTTLES like some town in CT just did.

Filthy scum.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 1:05:12 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: neverdem
[Article] Why does anybody need a high capacity magazine?

He's standing in the middle of a running sounder of feralized hogs averaging 40-50 pounds each, with the big ones running 200 lb? All of which would like to turn him into a colander?

That might be one reason.

23 posted on 01/03/2013 1:22:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: jonrick46
Why does the chicken cross the road?

To die. In the rain.

24 posted on 01/03/2013 1:24:44 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
Why Does Anybody Need a 30-Round Magazine?

Because a 50 round drum can jam . . .

25 posted on 01/03/2013 1:25:24 AM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: neverdem

Happy median between no magazine and minimax


26 posted on 01/03/2013 1:26:38 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: neverdem

Happy median between no magazine and minimax


27 posted on 01/03/2013 1:26:52 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: neverdem
Just in case I miss 30 times!

Then I'd only have one more shot, if you will...



28 posted on 01/03/2013 1:29:21 AM PST by rdb3 (We're all going to get what only some of us deserve...)
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To: Daralundy
Why does anyone need a mocha latte when a cup of coffee will do. Why does anyone need designer clothes when a t shirt and jeans will do?

Why do able bodied human beings need a lifetime of welfare when they can't even accept the obligations of citizenship, but simultaneously demand the benefits of citizenship, and continually conjure up additional rights with the collusion of corrupt elected criminals?

29 posted on 01/03/2013 1:33:38 AM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: neverdem

Why does anyone need a progressive Democrat...


30 posted on 01/03/2013 1:34:03 AM PST by JDPendry
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To: neverdem
(Article) "He had 32 Krag balls through him and was only stopped by the 33rd bullet -- a Colt .45 slug through..."...

Krag was .30-40 caliber (40 grains of propellant) and no slouch in the muzzle-energy sweepstakes; it wasn't much inferior to its 7mm German and .303 British contemporaries (it was other shortcomings of the Krag rifle and round that prompted the Army to migrate to .30-06 and the Springfield rifle).

There is a huge difference, though, in the downrange energy of a .45-caliber slug and a .38 Special.

Not related in the anecdotal evidence is the detail that the Filipino berzerkers were Moslem juramentados, or "sworn ones". They would operate in teams of three: the assailant would bind wet leather thongs around his forehead and let them tighten until he was wild-eyed from the pressure. His confederates would then sneak up on the American stockade with him and, using a tree as a catapult, bend the tree down and shoot him over the palisade with a bolo knife in each hand. He would then flop down on the other side, get up, and with bolo blades whirling, charge the nearest American and hack him to pieces. The Colt .45 ACP round stopped that happy horses**t.

31 posted on 01/03/2013 1:39:27 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: imardmd1

Remember, the blue tape is blanks while the red tape is live ammunition.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 1:41:54 AM PST by Rastus
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Why did the DHS just order 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2861209/posts


33 posted on 01/03/2013 1:43:17 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem

Because our government arms it’s people with 30 round magazines, so therefore I should arm myself as well or better.


34 posted on 01/03/2013 2:06:54 AM PST by eartick
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To: neverdem
Why do you need a latte? Why do you need a prius? Why do you need a Louis Vuitton hand bag? Why do you need a Corvette? Why do you need new golf clubs? Why do you need a new outfit? You probably do not. But unlike all of the other things... our right to “Keep and Bear Arms” is codified into the US Constitution and “Shall Not Be Infringed” means what it says. FU feineswine. FU and just try to take them you infected demon from hell.

LLS

35 posted on 01/03/2013 2:21:09 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Lancey Howard

My grandfather served in KMAG with a colonel who’d been in the Philippines during the Moro Campaigns and was nearly killed in just such a situation. The Moros would get hopped up on drugs (to make themselves fiercer and to deaden the pain), wrap several layers of jungle vine around their torsos to help absorb bullets, and charge American troops with machetes swinging. Colonel (then Lt) Fuller hit his attacker five times in the chest and the guy still managed to reach him and lay him open from right shoulder to left hip. As Fuller was going down, he fired his last round, which caught his attacker under the jaw, killing him.


36 posted on 01/03/2013 2:23:50 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974436/posts

this is why !


37 posted on 01/03/2013 2:46:17 AM PST by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: The Cajun; imardmd1

Two mags taped together with a dowel in between to make a V.

Or use PMags and use the covers.


38 posted on 01/03/2013 2:53:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem

David Gregory obviously needed one to wave around on TV while telling us no on else needed one.


39 posted on 01/03/2013 3:19:24 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
why is it difi’s business?

And why does DiFi need a net worth of $75,000,000? Wouldn't $250,000 be enough?

40 posted on 01/03/2013 3:30:43 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: neverdem

Why does anybody “need” free speech? Have you any idea how DANGEROUS such a thing is?

Why does anybody “need” freedom to practice their religious beliefs? Do you know how many people have died in the name of religion?!

Why does anybody “need” the right to peaceably assemble? That’s how riots start.

Why does anybody “need” the right to petition the government for redress? That is truly dangerous thinking. The government knows what is best.

Why does anybody “need” access to a free press? It was a much less dangerous society when news was filtered through 3 networks, 1 radio station, and a fairness doctrine. These days, anybody can hear just about anything. Tell me that’s not dangerous?

My natural rights are not subject to justification of need or government permission. They’re mine.


41 posted on 01/03/2013 3:39:34 AM PST by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: ziravan

When it comes to my natural rights, I’m not a renter.

I’m an owner.


42 posted on 01/03/2013 3:41:58 AM PST by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: ziravan

BTTT for the excellent points in posts 41 and 42.


43 posted on 01/03/2013 3:49:32 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: neverdem

Of course there are also lots of stories where one .38 or .22 stopped someone. I have several 30rd mags for my .30M1 I only regret that I don’t get to empty them as fast or as often as I’d like to.


44 posted on 01/03/2013 3:53:04 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: neverdem

Of course there are also lots of stories where one .38 or .22 stopped someone. I have several 30rd mags for my .30M1 I only regret that I don’t get to empty them as fast or as often as I’d like to.


45 posted on 01/03/2013 3:53:20 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: neverdem

46 posted on 01/03/2013 3:55:42 AM PST by ASA Vet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: neverdem

Well Dianne maybe you can answer the American people why you need a $3,400 raise. It is not like you are doing an excellent job, no budget, always borrowing, doing things at the last minute. Isn’t $154,703 enough? With your net worth putting you in the one percent couldn’t that money be better used for the children?


47 posted on 01/03/2013 4:06:35 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: neverdem

Because the world is full of jack booted thugs.


48 posted on 01/03/2013 4:11:30 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Because I am to old and lazy to have to keep reloading all the time!
49 posted on 01/03/2013 4:15:14 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Daralundy

Why does the US Senate need a Diane Feinstein?


50 posted on 01/03/2013 4:15:14 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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