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Belleville chief bans officers from Denny’s; detectives were asked to leave for displaying gun
Belleville News-Democrat ^ | Jan. 2, 2013 | Jamie Forsythe

Posted on 01/03/2013 4:41:47 AM PST by Lawgvr1955

Police Chief William Clay has banned all on-duty police officers from eating at Denny's Restaurant on South Illinois Street after a detective was asked to remove her gun or leave the restaurant.

"All sworn (uniformed/non-uniformed) officers have been prohibited from entering Denny's Restaurant at 1130 South Illinois for any meal or coffee breaks while on duty," Clay said in a released statement. "Additionally, no officers may enter the restaurant off-duty if in uniform."

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To: servo1969; eyeamok; The Working Man; Morris70; momtothree; CAluvdubya; Gen.Blather; Caipirabob; ...

Belleville, IL, is just a few miles from East St. Louis, IL, a city that has been overrun by gangs. It is a town that looks like it has been bombed out. I am surprised people in Belleville would take such an attitude to obvious cops displaying firearms.


21 posted on 01/03/2013 5:09:17 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Probably an Ogumbo gang member that was offended.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 5:14:06 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Lawgvr1955

On the one hand, yes this was stupid.

On the other hand, so police are just better than everyone else? They can have a firearm but everyone else can’t be trusted with such power?

No, everyone should be the same.

Except for felons.

And Democrats.

And pedophiles. To hell with them.

And Canadians. (I’m just kidding.)


23 posted on 01/03/2013 5:15:24 AM PST by servo1969
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To: PapaBear3625
The lady detective was in plain clothes, with her pistol visible, and some other patrons became alarmed. The place had a sign that only UNIFORMED officers could have weapons in the restaurant.

If she and the other detectives could have had the common sense to have their pistols concealed, there would not have been an issue.

"At the time of the incident, three of the detectives had their badges clipped on their belt next to their duty weapon, and the other two had their badges hanging from a chain around their neck, all in plain sight, according to Sax. There were also several portable police radios on the table since the detectives were working so they could continue to monitor other police activities."

Want to try that again?
24 posted on 01/03/2013 5:15:56 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: servo1969
As the detectives were leaving the restaurant, Sax said General Manager Michael Van walked up and advised Rice it was fine for the detectives to be in the restaurant.

Well, see here, the GM of the store said stay. As far as I'm concerned, it was cleared up right there. Then the cops got melodramatic about it. So why does the Chief ban officers now, since the GM says it was ok? Sounds to me that the little weasel Rice was put in his place by his boss. The police need to consider this won and move on.

25 posted on 01/03/2013 5:16:41 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lawgvr1955
Belleville, IL, is just a few miles from East St. Louis, IL, a city that has been overrun by gangs. It is a town that looks like it has been bombed out. I am surprised people in Belleville would take such an attitude to obvious cops displaying firearms.

The question begs, is the Manager / franchise owner a big Obee Supporter and or are they some Progressive Group plant and this is a Sandra Fluke type setup?

26 posted on 01/03/2013 5:17:06 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: PapaBear3625

Not the point. Police should never have to hide their weapons in uniform or out. Neither should any legal individual permit holder. I would like to see all states make open carry legal like TN and some other more reasonable states.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 5:17:13 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: eyeamok

You seem to have a fairly ignorant attitude towards police officers.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 5:18:57 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: eyeamok

I agree, cept the part about eating at Denny’s.


29 posted on 01/03/2013 5:20:29 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Lawgvr1955

And the vast majority of these GANG PROBLEMS are a Direct Result of Government and their Jack Booted Thugs enforcing tyrannical laws making Millions of Innocent Victims. Go to Arizona or Texas and tell me about the feral gang bangers running wild. It doesn’t exist, and if it does happen Citizens usually take care of the problem using their GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE. Unlike Illinois.


30 posted on 01/03/2013 5:23:14 AM PST by eyeamok
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"“This policy effectively prohibits on-duty sworn police officers from dining in a Denny’s Restaurant, but allows ‘registered sex offenders,’ ‘felons’ and or ‘pedophiles’ to enjoy a dining experience in Denny’s,” he said. “While I am appalled at this policy, I am sadly not shocked by it. We see so much political stupidness carried out in this day and age. I am hopeful that this incident reflects on the poor judgment of one individual and not the Denny’s restaurant chain.”"

I'd support this police chief, he seems to really get it.

31 posted on 01/03/2013 5:30:04 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Lawgvr1955

You know what...

I am so sick and tired of people’s OVER REACTIONS to seeing a gun!

The liberal/progressives have done a damn good job of turning the 2nd Amendment into a freaking crisis.

The proper response, especially if it was known to restraunt personnel these were cops, should have been ...it is their Right and DUTY. Yeah...lock the gun in the unmarked car out front. We’d all be screaming at how freaking stupid that move was when the car gets stolen or broken into.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 5:33:08 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Lawgvr1955
"All sworn (uniformed/non-uniformed) officers have been prohibited from entering Denny's Restaurant at 1130 South Illinois for any meal or coffee breaks while on duty. Additionally, no officers may enter the restaurant off-duty if in uniform."

Criminals take note - there is a 0% probability that a police officer will be in that Denny's location in the event of an armed robbery.


33 posted on 01/03/2013 5:33:46 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: The Working Man
How about this move:

You people take away our rights to arm and defend ourselves and we in turn decide not to sell you any more weapons and ammunition?

I know it won't happen, but it would be an interesting play.

34 posted on 01/03/2013 5:37:58 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: PapaBear3625

There wasn’t a sign about it at the entrance.


35 posted on 01/03/2013 5:43:12 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Alas Babylon!

Not necessarily. The GM may have been simply overriding an existing policy for customer satisfaction. Short of an official statement that this is not policy and that Rice was in error, this is not resolved.


36 posted on 01/03/2013 5:44:42 AM PST by JimSp
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To: PapaBear3625

You state there was a sign that “only UNIFORMED officers could have weapons in the restaurant”. Where do you get your information?


37 posted on 01/03/2013 5:46:11 AM PST by JimSp
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To: Lawgvr1955

Ticking off the police isn’t good business practice. Especially for a 24-hour restaurant.

Two things will happen - they’ll lose business, and the level of police service will probably drop off a bit.


38 posted on 01/03/2013 5:49:57 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: jboot

Did happen. Look up Barrett vs. California. If I ever can afford one of his rifles, I’m buying a few.


39 posted on 01/03/2013 5:54:40 AM PST by battlecry
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To: FreedomPoster

Saw that video. Obviously some are unable to function properly in a civil society. They need to be caged like the animals they are.


40 posted on 01/03/2013 6:00:46 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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