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To: eyeamok
I find threads like this to be useful in identifying those who react with a knee-jerk response, sometimes on both sides. I've found over the many years that I've been on FR that those who blindly support the government in its various forms has been steadily decreasing. Ten years ago, you'd have seen a much stronger response in support of the powers that be. I see it as a good sign. There will always be some who don't fully think through the implications.

Personally, as far as I'm concerned, in situations like this, where you have a victim disarmament zone, I don't think the police (on or off duty) should be armed any more than your average citizen unless they are acting directly in their official capacity.

67 posted on 01/03/2013 8:20:28 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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We are in agreement!!


69 posted on 01/03/2013 8:35:12 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: zeugma
Personally, as far as I'm concerned, in situations like this, where you have a victim disarmament zone, I don't think the police (on or off duty) should be armed any more than your average citizen unless they are acting directly in their official capacity.

In addition, from a liability perspective, the entity that has declared the area a victim disarmament zone should have a strict liability for the protection of those within the VDZ. If a patron is harmed, and has had his ability to defend himself usurped, the entity should be held completely responsible for his safety.

This is especially true in those places where you have no choice to be, like airports, and government facilities. I recently had to enter a courthouse for jury duty and couldn't have so much as a swiss army knife on my person. So, I was compelled under force of law to be there, and also compelled that I disarm complately. This is immoral, especially as the state disclaims liability for my person.

70 posted on 01/03/2013 8:37:56 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma
I've found over the many years that I've been on FR that those who blindly support the government in its various forms has been steadily decreasing. Ten years ago, you'd have seen a much stronger response in support of the powers that be. I see it as a good sign. There will always be some who don't fully think through the implications.

 

Good observations. 10 years ago we were still overcoming 9/11. We as a nation were activley engaged in Iraq, finding WMD, and - as a rule - we supported law and order.

Now? Now we see LEO's, the local, state and federal governments, Capital Hill, and even our military have seriously hurt and disappointed the conservative cause. In just 10 years. Naturally a lot of blame is laid at the feet of the Kenyan. But it is a sad thing to see teachers, cops, even soldiers and other once highly esteemed citizens slammed and denigrated here at FR.

Law and Order? (hoccc ptui) Libertarians rule this place.

73 posted on 01/03/2013 9:27:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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