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To: zeugma
I've found over the many years that I've been on FR that those who blindly support the government in its various forms has been steadily decreasing. Ten years ago, you'd have seen a much stronger response in support of the powers that be. I see it as a good sign. There will always be some who don't fully think through the implications.

 

Good observations. 10 years ago we were still overcoming 9/11. We as a nation were activley engaged in Iraq, finding WMD, and - as a rule - we supported law and order.

Now? Now we see LEO's, the local, state and federal governments, Capital Hill, and even our military have seriously hurt and disappointed the conservative cause. In just 10 years. Naturally a lot of blame is laid at the feet of the Kenyan. But it is a sad thing to see teachers, cops, even soldiers and other once highly esteemed citizens slammed and denigrated here at FR.

Law and Order? (hoccc ptui) Libertarians rule this place.

73 posted on 01/03/2013 9:27:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Now? Now we see LEO's, the local, state and federal governments, Capital Hill, and even our military have seriously hurt and disappointed the conservative cause. In just 10 years.

Absolutely agreed, though it goes back a lot further than that. It's just that now it's getting so obvious that it's hard to ignore.

But it is a sad thing to see teachers, cops, even soldiers and other once highly esteemed citizens slammed and denigrated here at FR.

Respect and support is earned, and can't just be taken for granted. Once lost, it is all the more harder to regain.

Law and Order? (hoccc ptui) Libertarians rule this place.

Some of us expect the rule of law to apply to everyone, not just the unwashed masses. The law actually has to make some sense as well. When the law becomes arbitrary and capricious, you'll find lots less respect for it. When an American citizen can be imprisioned for years because a piece of steel is one inch shorter than the government proclaims it should be, you have a serious problem. When the law is extended to the point where the government thinks it has the power to dictate how many ounces your soft drink should  be, you have a serious problem. When the government confiscates half the income of a hardworking American, you have a serious problem. Some of us are sick and tired of the relentless advance of the police state. You'll find lots of order in a police state. You won't find much freedom there though.

 

77 posted on 01/03/2013 10:59:37 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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