Skip to comments.Patriotic Group (DAR) Told to Stop Praying in Jesusí Name
Posted on 01/03/2013 7:52:55 AM PST by servo1969
The Daughters of the American Revolution, one of the nations oldest patriotic organizations, has erased any mention of Jesus Christ in their official book, removed prayers and poems that reference Christian imagery, and directed members to refrain from praying in the name of Christ, an outraged group of members alleged.
The dispute has been brewing for more than a year when DAR members learned that the newly revised Ritual and Missal books the primary guide for chaplains were altered. They noticed that the name of Jesus Christ had been omitted.
The DAR president general did not return calls seeking comment for this story.
The members said DAR leadership made the changes to be politically correct and to accommodate new members of other religious beliefs.
A state chaplain in the organization notified members of their concerns in a newsletter.
The newly updated Missal and Ritual was written to reflect the desire to be considerate of other belief systems, the statement read. The Chaplain General uses scripture from both the Old and New Testaments and prays in the name of God without reference Christ. Chapter and district chaplains need to follow the example set by the National Society.
The statement also reminded members to appreciate the differences in members religious beliefs and to adapt our rituals and prayers to respect these differences.
That directive has infuriated rank and file members of the DAR an organization that is deeply rooted in the Christian faith.
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Almost. It sounds like that rumbly noise one gets right before a full boil starts.
Do I have time to make popcorn?
Is it supposed to be a ‘religious’ or ‘political’ association?
You can’t have it both ways, and expect to attract people from all walks of life to a ‘political’ organization, unless you just want to attract “Christians” only.
Just an observation.
They now can count one less member here.
The DAR, Daughters of the American Revolution, is NOT political.
And why they would want to attract heathen is a mystery to me.
It is supposed to be a patriotic association.
Without God and Jesus there would have been no pilgrims, which means there would have been no colonists, which means there would have been no Revolution to produce daughters.
PC is like a black hole - it bends the laws of gravity and logic until they disappear.
The marxists have deliberately sought out positions of power in organizations like the DAR.
It should be interesting to see how they deal with the genealogical research they use considering that so much of the birth and death records were kept by the churches.
I guess they’ll just have to make up history, include illegal aliens etc.
This is a great video showing the deep religious past of our nation and leaders. DAR should take note. For example, Thomas Jefferson ordered the Marine corps band to play for the church services held each Sunday in the capital building! Services were held there for almost 100 years.
This is only a clip there is a full DVD you can buy on the wallbuilders.com site.
I guess they also forgot about the “Great Awakening,” which provided the theological underpinnings of the American Revolution.
My fear is that God is going to tire of His being spat upon by us and slap us a good one up aside our collective heads. He may have already launched the blow. He did it to the Israelites several times over their history.
Douay-Rheims, Challoner edition
St. Matthew 10.33
But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.
St. Mark 8.38
For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
St. Luke 9.26
For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty and that of his Father and of the holy angels.
St. Luke 12.9
But he that shall deny me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
You won’t find a better source of original documents than those collected here. From 500 BC to 1800 AD.
Doesn’t sound like “Government establishment of Religion”?
What they’re doing is fine, and whoever “told them”, needs to be “told”:
“We’ll continue as we have, and YOU have no authority to suggest otherwise!”
Why do groups cave so easily?
I heard they were changing their membership requirements. Glad I didn’t join.
The pace of communism is quickening. Are you prepared for the fight being thrust upon us?
Glad I never got around to joining. Since membership is based on ancestry, I don’t imagine there are too many women eligible that aren’t Christian.
If this organization is about the American Revolution, then God is a part of it, recognized or unrecognized.
Christians and Jews, with God’s help, birthed a nation. I don’t believe there were any Muslims, Aetheists, etc., sharing meager rations and leaving bloody footprints in the snow.
I know what these three believed in, they were Lutherans.
Daughters of the American Revolution. Are they now the Lesbians of the American Revolution?
It's only a matter of time.
What website is that?
In reality the DAR is about a past, and about the American Revolution, and the creation of the nation itself. That's far removed from fluff, but it's more important than the propaganda, and the programs to attract the young.
I'd have to say NO CHANGE. Let me go further, the folks behind this change should be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail.
BTW, many of the old patriotic groups used to have a rule that the honored ancestors they were descended from had to be married. When it came to Maryland a researcher demonstrated they'd had something like 70 publicly recorded marriages in the century prior to the Revolution. That didn't prove the folks weren't married, but it wasn't reported.
I think all of them have subsequently changed the marriage rule realizing it couldn't be proven, nor was it necessary ~ a patriot is a patriot no matter what the legal status of his parents.
At the same time the common religious tradition of almost all the patriots and soldiers was Christianity ~ that included the Oneida who served as Scouts with the New York militia, and with the regular continental army as well. We know that because they had Christian names ~
From the DAR website, you can search by name. Hans Jacob (Jacob Sr), the last name listed, was the first of our line in America.
DAR’s website has an ancestor search, to see if your ancestor has been filed on previously.
Wow, thanks. Although they have a lot of great stuff, ancestry.com is crazy expensive.
Gee whiz, I’m always seeing that guy on the same lists ~ and the other guys as well. Bet you come up with William Alexander with some frequency.
Without God and Jesus there’d been no Spaniards, Bretons and Swedes to discover and survey America so when the Pilgrims arrived they might have run into Greenland!
I subscribe to Ancestry, but I understand that the cost is way up there if you don’t use it that much. Have you tried a genealogy library, or a large city library for Ancestry.com. Most will have the Library edition of it.
Glad I never got around to sending in my application.
I'll do some searches on W. Alexander.
I call upon the members of this organization to IMPEACH the officers at the National Level who allowed this to occur .
Don`t bail out of the DAR ..........fix it !
we need Patriots !
The Creator has been summarily thrown out of our schools and recently nearly thrown out of the Democrat Convention...so why not throw him out of the DAR another patriotic organization tied to the early American Patriots and their courageous stand for their new country. I wonder how many of these ladies voted for Obama, a man more in favor of Islam than he is of our Judeo-Christian origins. It is interesting how things work out.........
The members of DAR should come out of the shadows and fight this instead of worrying whether or not they’ll be kicked out of the organization.
How many Daughters of Antichrist Reform can there be?
Judging by the results of the 2012 election, a hell of a lot of them.
Look and see if your guys end up on the same unit rosters as Manuel McConnell or Timothy Murphy ~ bet they do ~ and not just William Alexander but also somewhere under Lafayette, Burr, Jefferson ~ i suspect you've got some folks there a tad more special than you might have imagined ~ also be sure to check for John Murphy with Clark.
As we speak, the members of Congress are deciding whether any one of the whole bunch of them has the guts to stand up for the rule of law - given that Hawaii has officially confirmed that Obama has no legally-established birth facts, revealing that every electoral vote Obama received was obtained through fraudulent ballot-access documents.
Lawlessness is trying to beat down America’s door and rape her to death just as surely as the men of Sodom tried banging down Lot’s door to rape the Angel of the Lord. And if there is not even one Senator and one Representative willing to hold the door closed on this lawlessness, then may it be to America as it was to Sodom.
And I think it probably will be. Hang on to Him for dear life; He will never abandon us as individuals, but in an earthly sense we will go down with the America ship when it goes down. Prepare to see Revelation fulfilled.
The various family lines we have that would allow us to join organizations like the DAR and the Jamestowne Society all have one major thing in common: They were all strong, committed Christians.
"The DAR, founded in 1890 and headquartered in Washington, D.C., is a non-profit, non-political volunteer women's service organization dedicated to promoting patriotism, preserving American history, and securing America's future through better education for children."
That sounds like the DAR is more about promoting the general principles of our constitutional foundations (which did not promote ANY specific religion), but in fact was open to any/all religions. The minute you start injecting into your 'official business' a specific religion, then you are elevating that one above any others as part of your 'official' program.
I believe that any organization also has to be about the 'here and now' to the extent that they would like others to volunteer (if that be the case) or to find others to join -in-cause to promote their organization's objectives. So, to that extent, my point is that by their very own mission statement, they are not singularly looking to promote or endorse any specific religious cause as part of their official program. They can if they chose to do so, but that is not what I read.
Will the outrages never cease.
Excerpt from the emails I have just received from National and State DAR:
“The National Society has posted the following Announcement on our Members Only Website regarding this mornings news coverage:
Message Regarding NSDAR Ritual and Missal
NSDAR is disappointed to learn that false and incorrect information has recently been circulated regarding the 2011 edition of the DAR Ritual and Missal and the use of the name Jesus Christ in prayers and other ceremonial events of the National Society. The purpose of this message is to clarify NSDARs position on the matter for anyone who has not previously viewed the blogs written by President General Merry Ann T. Wright.
First, the question was posed by a national media group that if the motto of DAR is God, Home and Country, then why is DAR taking out references to God in its printed material. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, as currently written, the 113 page Ritual and Missal contains over 300 references to Almighty God, Great God our King (America hymn), Our Heavenly Father, Heavenly Father, God of Hosts, God, Lord, Eternal God, Your Holy Spirit, Lord your God, Gracious Lord, Almighty and Everlasting God, Gracious Father, and similar variations.
Second, the allegation has been leveled that Chaplains and others have been told not to pray in the name of Jesus Christ. Again, this is an absolute falsehood. Each Chaplain and other officers are strongly encouraged to create their own prayers into which they may insert the name of Jesus Christ as deemed appropriate for the occasion and the audience. This is what the President General wrote in her blog of April 10, 2012 when questions about the change to the Ritual and Missal first arose:
The Executive Officers believe that the new Ritual and Missal can be used by members of any faith, substituting words as they wish, changing the prayers to suit the needs of the meeting in which they are being used. At our Executive meetings, knowing that we are all Christian, we pray in the Name of Jesus. When those are present whose faith is unknown, we pray in Gods name. However, we all recognize that when Christians pray in Gods name we are, indeed, praying in Christs name because the Christian faith believes in the Trinity of God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We also understand that our Jewish members know God as Jehovah or Yahweh, Muslim members use the name Allah for God and there are those whose spirituality may have a still different higher power or none at all.
We have in no way mandated that one must or must not use the name of Jesus Christ in the prayers. In our DAR rituals, prayers are included. Most of the prayers begin with Our Father or Almighty God and end in Your Holy Name. Christs prayer, known as The Lords Prayer, the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi, Easter and Passover prayers and prayers for other religious observances are included.
The above passage also addresses the last major falsehood: that the name of Christ has been totally removed from the Ritual and Missal. That simply is not the case.
In promoting the importance of freedom of religion upon which our country was founded, our Founding Fathers intended for all religions and not one specific faith to be allowed and respected. The Constitution of the United States of America is clear on this issue as are many of the letters and writings of these great leaders. It was in spirit of our Founding Fathers desire for freedom of religion that the most recent changes to the Ritual and Missal were made. For those wishing to access prayers, songs, poems, etc. from past Rituals and Missals, they have all previously been posted to the website and are available for use by all members.”
It's a bit complex but at the end of the French Religious Wars the Huguenots refused to lay down their arms. They kept them. That was the basis of the first freedom of conscience on this planet!
So, what were you saying?
I don't think I'm a descendant of James Madison ~ he was a sort of cousin (since he was a cousin of the Smallwoods, as am I) but I can count John Leland in the lineage, and though he was busy preaching and writing, he also translated and wrote arrangements for ancient Greek church songs, founded the Primitive Baptist movement and began Abolitionist activities in many states including Virginia.
It would be totally incorrect to argue that Christianity should be glossed over by a patriotic society based on an ancestor's membership in the Revolutionary armies and militias. The soldiers and the women supporting them (yes, we had a molly pitcher in there to) would have been offended by such an insult.
I say let's heat up that tar and get whacking!
I received DAR’s Good Citizenship Medal at my highschool graduation ceremony at Tennessee Preparatory School in 1977.
I don’t think I was really that great a good citizen, but I wasn’t a thuggish yute either.
I did, too, but in 1964! Don’t know why I got it either, but the money came in handy at college. The past few years, I have been the one sending the checks from our chapter to those graduates. The last recipient wrote a really thoughtful thank you card, outlining his pride in his patriot ancestors (four in his case).
The nation has been surrendered to hordes of invading locusts with scarcely a fight.
America is dead and gone. The Democrats won. Congratulations to them.