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Patriotic Group (DAR) Told to Stop Praying in Jesusí Name
radio.foxnews.com ^ | 1-3-2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 01/03/2013 7:52:55 AM PST by servo1969

The Daughters of the American Revolution, one of the nation’s oldest patriotic organizations, has erased any mention of Jesus Christ in their official book, removed prayers and poems that reference Christian imagery, and directed members to refrain from praying in the name of Christ, an outraged group of members alleged.

The dispute has been brewing for more than a year when DAR members learned that the newly revised Ritual and Missal books – the primary guide for chaplains – were altered. They noticed that the name of Jesus Christ had been omitted.

The DAR president general did not return calls seeking comment for this story.

The members said DAR leadership made the changes to be politically correct and to accommodate new members of other religious beliefs.

A state chaplain in the organization notified members of their concerns in a newsletter.

“The newly updated Missal and Ritual was written to reflect the desire to be considerate of other belief systems,” the statement read. “The Chaplain General uses scripture from both the Old and New Testaments and prays in the name of God without reference Christ. Chapter and district chaplains need to follow the example set by the National Society.”

The statement also reminded members to “appreciate the differences in members’ religious beliefs and to adapt our rituals and prayers to respect these differences.”

That directive has infuriated rank and file members of the DAR – an organization that is deeply rooted in the Christian faith.

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Do you hear that? Almost sounds like water starting to boil, doesn't it?
1 posted on 01/03/2013 7:53:00 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Almost. It sounds like that rumbly noise one gets right before a full boil starts.

Do I have time to make popcorn?


2 posted on 01/03/2013 8:02:11 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: servo1969

Is it supposed to be a ‘religious’ or ‘political’ association?

You can’t have it both ways, and expect to attract people from all walks of life to a ‘political’ organization, unless you just want to attract “Christians” only.

Just an observation.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 8:02:20 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: servo1969

They now can count one less member here.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 8:03:50 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: LibFreeUSA

The DAR, Daughters of the American Revolution, is NOT political.
And why they would want to attract heathen is a mystery to me.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 8:04:57 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Is it supposed to be a ‘religious’ or ‘political’ association?

It is supposed to be a patriotic association.

6 posted on 01/03/2013 8:05:03 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: servo1969

Without God and Jesus there would have been no pilgrims, which means there would have been no colonists, which means there would have been no Revolution to produce daughters.

PC is like a black hole - it bends the laws of gravity and logic until they disappear.


7 posted on 01/03/2013 8:05:03 AM PST by relictele
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To: servo1969

The marxists have deliberately sought out positions of power in organizations like the DAR.

It should be interesting to see how they deal with the genealogical research they use considering that so much of the birth and death records were kept by the churches.

I guess they’ll just have to make up history, include illegal aliens etc.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 8:07:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: relictele

9 posted on 01/03/2013 8:07:25 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: servo1969

This is a great video showing the deep religious past of our nation and leaders. DAR should take note. For example, Thomas Jefferson ordered the Marine corps band to play for the church services held each Sunday in the capital building! Services were held there for almost 100 years.

This is only a clip there is a full DVD you can buy on the wallbuilders.com site.

http://stg.do/Iwpc


10 posted on 01/03/2013 8:08:24 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: relictele

I guess they also forgot about the “Great Awakening,” which provided the theological underpinnings of the American Revolution.


11 posted on 01/03/2013 8:09:53 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

My fear is that God is going to tire of His being spat upon by us and slap us a good one up aside our collective heads. He may have already launched the blow. He did it to the Israelites several times over their history.


12 posted on 01/03/2013 8:15:35 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: servo1969

Douay-Rheims, Challoner edition

St. Matthew 10.33
But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

St. Mark 8.38
For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

St. Luke 9.26
For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty and that of his Father and of the holy angels.

St. Luke 12.9
But he that shall deny me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.


13 posted on 01/03/2013 8:16:43 AM PST by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: Timber Rattler

You won’t find a better source of original documents than those collected here. From 500 BC to 1800 AD.

http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/primarysources.html


14 posted on 01/03/2013 8:17:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: bigtoona
Even the most liberal of our founders were believers in God.

Here Ben Franklin calls for prayer to open the constitutional convention of 1787.

Benjamin Franklin Constitutional Convention Address on Prayer delivered Thursday, June 28, 1787, Philadelphia, PA

I therefore beg leave to move -- that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that service.
15 posted on 01/03/2013 8:26:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: servo1969

Doesn’t sound like “Government establishment of Religion”?

What they’re doing is fine, and whoever “told them”, needs to be “told”:

“We’ll continue as we have, and YOU have no authority to suggest otherwise!”

Why do groups cave so easily?


16 posted on 01/03/2013 8:30:39 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: servo1969

I heard they were changing their membership requirements. Glad I didn’t join.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 8:31:23 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: servo1969

The pace of communism is quickening. Are you prepared for the fight being thrust upon us?


18 posted on 01/03/2013 8:38:14 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: zerosix

Glad I never got around to joining. Since membership is based on ancestry, I don’t imagine there are too many women eligible that aren’t Christian.


19 posted on 01/03/2013 8:44:43 AM PST by Himyar
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To: servo1969

If this organization is about the American Revolution, then God is a part of it, recognized or unrecognized.

Christians and Jews, with God’s help, birthed a nation. I don’t believe there were any Muslims, Aetheists, etc., sharing meager rations and leaving bloody footprints in the snow.


20 posted on 01/03/2013 8:56:47 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: servo1969
Who do they think was fighting and bleeding in the revolution, atheists and muslims?

I know what these three believed in, they were Lutherans.

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21 posted on 01/03/2013 8:57:15 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: servo1969

Daughters of the American Revolution. Are they now the Lesbians of the American Revolution?


22 posted on 01/03/2013 8:58:43 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Don Corleone
Yes. "We" RE-elected a "man" who managed to "celebrate" four Thanksgivings in the white house without once mentioning Him, and whose political party thrice denied Him and Israel a place on their platform.

It's only a matter of time.

23 posted on 01/03/2013 8:59:50 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What website is that?


24 posted on 01/03/2013 8:59:59 AM PST by abishai
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To: LibFreeUSA
The DAR is not necessarily about the here and now ~ that sort of thing is just fluff to attract the young ~ the under 65 set you know.

In reality the DAR is about a past, and about the American Revolution, and the creation of the nation itself. That's far removed from fluff, but it's more important than the propaganda, and the programs to attract the young.

I'd have to say NO CHANGE. Let me go further, the folks behind this change should be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail.

BTW, many of the old patriotic groups used to have a rule that the honored ancestors they were descended from had to be married. When it came to Maryland a researcher demonstrated they'd had something like 70 publicly recorded marriages in the century prior to the Revolution. That didn't prove the folks weren't married, but it wasn't reported.

I think all of them have subsequently changed the marriage rule realizing it couldn't be proven, nor was it necessary ~ a patriot is a patriot no matter what the legal status of his parents.

At the same time the common religious tradition of almost all the patriots and soldiers was Christianity ~ that included the Oneida who served as Scouts with the New York militia, and with the regular continental army as well. We know that because they had Christian names ~

25 posted on 01/03/2013 9:03:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: abishai

From the DAR website, you can search by name. Hans Jacob (Jacob Sr), the last name listed, was the first of our line in America.


26 posted on 01/03/2013 9:05:07 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: abishai

DAR’s website has an ancestor search, to see if your ancestor has been filed on previously.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 9:06:32 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; catfish1957

Wow, thanks. Although they have a lot of great stuff, ancestry.com is crazy expensive.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 9:08:48 AM PST by abishai
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Gee whiz, I’m always seeing that guy on the same lists ~ and the other guys as well. Bet you come up with William Alexander with some frequency.


29 posted on 01/03/2013 9:09:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: relictele

Without God and Jesus there’d been no Spaniards, Bretons and Swedes to discover and survey America so when the Pilgrims arrived they might have run into Greenland!


30 posted on 01/03/2013 9:13:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: abishai

I subscribe to Ancestry, but I understand that the cost is way up there if you don’t use it that much. Have you tried a genealogy library, or a large city library for Ancestry.com. Most will have the Library edition of it.


31 posted on 01/03/2013 9:15:01 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: servo1969

Glad I never got around to sending in my application.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 9:17:22 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: muawiyah
Who, Hans Jacob? He left Switzerland in 1749, down the Rhine to Cowes, England. got to Philly, had to work off the indenture for his passage. His first wife and son died on the ship coming over. He got remarried in 1750, ended up in the SW corner of Virginia, had 15 kids. He was a cabinet maker. At least 4 sons made rifles. Abraham made some flintlocks so damned pretty they hurt your eyes to look at.

I'll do some searches on W. Alexander.

33 posted on 01/03/2013 9:19:19 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: bgill

I call upon the members of this organization to IMPEACH the officers at the National Level who allowed this to occur .

Don`t bail out of the DAR ..........fix it !
we need Patriots !


34 posted on 01/03/2013 9:23:14 AM PST by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: servo1969

The Creator has been summarily thrown out of our schools and recently nearly thrown out of the Democrat Convention...so why not throw him out of the DAR another patriotic organization tied to the early American Patriots and their courageous stand for their new country. I wonder how many of these ladies voted for Obama, a man more in favor of Islam than he is of our Judeo-Christian origins. It is interesting how things work out.........


35 posted on 01/03/2013 9:30:02 AM PST by yoe
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To: servo1969

The members of DAR should come out of the shadows and fight this instead of worrying whether or not they’ll be kicked out of the organization.


36 posted on 01/03/2013 9:33:50 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: servo1969

How many Daughters of Antichrist Reform can there be?


37 posted on 01/03/2013 9:34:46 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: fattigermaster

Judging by the results of the 2012 election, a hell of a lot of them.


38 posted on 01/03/2013 9:37:43 AM PST by sport
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
See all the other names on those records? Sounds like your ancestors were able to do gunsmithing. They undoubtedly prized them highly.

Look and see if your guys end up on the same unit rosters as Manuel McConnell or Timothy Murphy ~ bet they do ~ and not just William Alexander but also somewhere under Lafayette, Burr, Jefferson ~ i suspect you've got some folks there a tad more special than you might have imagined ~ also be sure to check for John Murphy with Clark.

39 posted on 01/03/2013 9:38:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Don Corleone
. . . He may have already launched the blow. . . .

Pastor John MacArthur preached a sermon in, I think, 2006, in which he expressed concern that America is in the same position as Samson. God had withdrawn His blessing on Samson, and Samson was so spiritually dead that he was not aware that God had done so.

People say "We must get rid of homosexuality because it will bring God's judgment onto America."

But Romans 1, after verse 18, notes that homosexuality is a sign that a society is under judgment. If you read that passage, you will see that it reads like the headlines of today's paper. And it does describe a society under the judgment of God.
40 posted on 01/03/2013 9:50:42 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Don Corleone

As we speak, the members of Congress are deciding whether any one of the whole bunch of them has the guts to stand up for the rule of law - given that Hawaii has officially confirmed that Obama has no legally-established birth facts, revealing that every electoral vote Obama received was obtained through fraudulent ballot-access documents.

Lawlessness is trying to beat down America’s door and rape her to death just as surely as the men of Sodom tried banging down Lot’s door to rape the Angel of the Lord. And if there is not even one Senator and one Representative willing to hold the door closed on this lawlessness, then may it be to America as it was to Sodom.

And I think it probably will be. Hang on to Him for dear life; He will never abandon us as individuals, but in an earthly sense we will go down with the America ship when it goes down. Prepare to see Revelation fulfilled.


41 posted on 01/03/2013 9:51:58 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: servo1969

The various family lines we have that would allow us to join organizations like the DAR and the Jamestowne Society all have one major thing in common: They were all strong, committed Christians.


42 posted on 01/03/2013 9:54:53 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We will NOT disarm.)
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To: muawiyah
Here's what the DAR says about itself on their website...

"The DAR, founded in 1890 and headquartered in Washington, D.C., is a non-profit, non-political volunteer women's service organization dedicated to promoting patriotism, preserving American history, and securing America's future through better education for children."

That sounds like the DAR is more about promoting the general principles of our constitutional foundations (which did not promote ANY specific religion), but in fact was open to any/all religions. The minute you start injecting into your 'official business' a specific religion, then you are elevating that one above any others as part of your 'official' program.

I believe that any organization also has to be about the 'here and now' to the extent that they would like others to volunteer (if that be the case) or to find others to join -in-cause to promote their organization's objectives. So, to that extent, my point is that by their very own mission statement, they are not singularly looking to promote or endorse any specific religious cause as part of their official program. They can if they chose to do so, but that is not what I read.

43 posted on 01/03/2013 10:15:18 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

Will the outrages never cease.


44 posted on 01/03/2013 10:36:37 AM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: LibFreeUSA

Excerpt from the emails I have just received from National and State DAR:

“The National Society has posted the following Announcement on our Members’ Only Website regarding this morning’s news coverage:

Message Regarding NSDAR Ritual and Missal
NSDAR is disappointed to learn that false and incorrect information has recently been circulated regarding the 2011 edition of the DAR Ritual and Missal and the use of the name Jesus Christ in prayers and other ceremonial events of the National Society. The purpose of this message is to clarify NSDAR’s position on the matter for anyone who has not previously viewed the blogs written by President General Merry Ann T. Wright.

First, the question was posed by a national media group that if the motto of DAR is God, Home and Country, then “…why is DAR taking out references to God…” in its printed material. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, as currently written, the 113 page Ritual and Missal contains over 300 references to “Almighty God,” “Great God our King” (America hymn), “Our Heavenly Father,” “Heavenly Father,” “God of Hosts,” “God,” “Lord,” “Eternal God,” “Your Holy Spirit,” “Lord your God,” “Gracious Lord,” “Almighty and Everlasting God,” “Gracious Father,” and similar variations.

Second, the allegation has been leveled that Chaplains and others have been told not to pray in the name of Jesus Christ. Again, this is an absolute falsehood. Each Chaplain and other officers are strongly encouraged to create their own prayers into which they may insert the name of Jesus Christ as deemed appropriate for the occasion and the audience. This is what the President General wrote in her blog of April 10, 2012 when questions about the change to the Ritual and Missal first arose:

The Executive Officers believe that the new Ritual and Missal can be used by members of any faith, substituting words as they wish, changing the prayers to suit the needs of the meeting in which they are being used. At our Executive meetings, knowing that we are all Christian, we pray in the Name of Jesus. When those are present whose faith is unknown, we pray in God’s name. However, we all recognize that when Christians pray in God’s name we are, indeed, praying in Christ’s name because the Christian faith believes in the Trinity of God – Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We also understand that our Jewish members know God as Jehovah or Yahweh, Muslim members use the name Allah for God and there are those whose spirituality may have a still different higher power or none at all.

We have in no way mandated that one must or must not use the name of Jesus Christ in the prayers. In our DAR rituals, prayers are included. Most of the prayers begin with “Our Father” or “Almighty God” and end “in Your Holy Name.” Christ’s prayer, known as The Lord’s Prayer, the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi, Easter and Passover prayers and prayers for other religious observances are included.

The above passage also addresses the last major falsehood: that the name of Christ has been totally removed from the Ritual and Missal. That simply is not the case.
In promoting the importance of freedom of religion upon which our country was founded, our Founding Fathers intended for all religions and not one specific faith to be allowed and respected. The Constitution of the United States of America is clear on this issue as are many of the letters and writings of these great leaders. It was in spirit of our Founding Fathers desire for freedom of religion that the most recent changes to the Ritual and Missal were made. For those wishing to access prayers, songs, poems, etc. from past Rituals and Missals, they have all previously been posted to the website and are available for use by all members.”


45 posted on 01/03/2013 10:43:20 AM PST by MomofMarine
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To: LibFreeUSA
The grandsons of Huguenots wrote the first three amendments together as a group ~ where they clearly indicate a decided preference for Protestantism.

It's a bit complex but at the end of the French Religious Wars the Huguenots refused to lay down their arms. They kept them. That was the basis of the first freedom of conscience on this planet!

So, what were you saying?

I don't think I'm a descendant of James Madison ~ he was a sort of cousin (since he was a cousin of the Smallwoods, as am I) but I can count John Leland in the lineage, and though he was busy preaching and writing, he also translated and wrote arrangements for ancient Greek church songs, founded the Primitive Baptist movement and began Abolitionist activities in many states including Virginia.

It would be totally incorrect to argue that Christianity should be glossed over by a patriotic society based on an ancestor's membership in the Revolutionary armies and militias. The soldiers and the women supporting them (yes, we had a molly pitcher in there to) would have been offended by such an insult.

I say let's heat up that tar and get whacking!

46 posted on 01/03/2013 10:45:10 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: servo1969

I received DAR’s Good Citizenship Medal at my highschool graduation ceremony at Tennessee Preparatory School in 1977.

I don’t think I was really that great a good citizen, but I wasn’t a thuggish yute either.


47 posted on 01/03/2013 10:45:10 AM PST by steerpike100
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To: steerpike100

I did, too, but in 1964! Don’t know why I got it either, but the money came in handy at college. The past few years, I have been the one sending the checks from our chapter to those graduates. The last recipient wrote a really thoughtful thank you card, outlining his pride in his patriot ancestors (four in his case).


48 posted on 01/03/2013 10:54:08 AM PST by MomofMarine
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To: servo1969
In the name of political correctness, I think it is about time for the images below to be modified to properly reflect America's multi-cultural diversity, the same way New York City modified the statue of the three white firefighters who planted the flag at Ground Zero in 2001.

The nation has been surrendered to hordes of invading locusts with scarcely a fight.
America is dead and gone. The Democrats won. Congratulations to them.


49 posted on 01/03/2013 10:55:05 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: muawiyah
One of Abraham's rifles.

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50 posted on 01/03/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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