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America lives under the shadow of George W. Bush
CNN ^ | Thu January 3, 2013 | Julian Zelizer

Posted on 01/03/2013 5:58:34 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Princeton, New Jersey (CNN) -- Somewhere in Texas, former President George W. Bush is smiling.

Although some Democrats are pleased that taxes will now go up on the wealthiest Americans, the recent deal to avert the fiscal cliff entrenches, rather than dismantles, one of Bush's signature legacies -- income tax cuts. Ninety-nine percent of American households were protected from tax increases, aside from the expiration of the reduced rate for the payroll tax.

In the final deal, Congress and President Barack Obama agreed to preserve most of the Bush tax cuts, including exemptions on the estate tax.

When Bush started his term in 2001, many of his critics dismissed him as a lightweight, the son of a former president who won office as result of his family's political fortune and a controversial decision by the Supreme Court on the 2000 election.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bushtaxcut; bushtaxcuts; texas

1 posted on 01/03/2013 5:58:39 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Does the author really believe Obama will allow the Bush tax cuts to stand?


2 posted on 01/03/2013 6:11:23 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yup, W was the worst ever President for encouraging more people keep their own hard-earned income. Shame on him.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 6:13:56 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

...and he didn’t sell his ranch to Al Jazeera.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 6:16:21 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: MinorityRepublican

Obama will always be in the shadow of George Bush.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 6:16:51 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Please explain to me how the “Fiscal Cliff Deal” is such a good thing for the average American when 80% of us will see at least a $1000/year increase in withholding.

Pay check to pay check is how most Americans live. This increased withholding will be felt immediately by most of us.


6 posted on 01/03/2013 6:17:19 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"...and a controversial decision by the Supreme Court on the 2000 election."

There was nothing "controversial" about it. It was a simple matter of the Florida Supreme Court vs. the USSC. Florida Supreme Court tried to change things mid-stream - the USSC rightfully said Florida can't change it's election process against it's own election process.

7 posted on 01/03/2013 6:21:49 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Exactly. CNN should be ashamed for perpetuating the Democrat Party’s Orwellian false hgistory.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 6:27:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: 3Fingas

Sorry, that concept is too complicated for Obama voters. Loss of discretionary income.


9 posted on 01/03/2013 6:33:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: MinorityRepublican
For over a decade, the media has been insisting that these were ONLY tax cuts for the very wealthy.

Time-Lies. Boycott Time-Warner-Turner.

10 posted on 01/03/2013 6:34:58 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: 3Fingas
You sound like a Liberal.
Do you think that you should not pay anything into Social Security or Medicare?
Those programs are both going broke!
11 posted on 01/03/2013 6:37:01 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: A Navy Vet

No talk ever about the controversial way Obamacare was passed with the buying off of Democrats’ votes, the stolen seat by Al Franken, and the selected-not elected replacement for Dead Red Ted Kennedy.


12 posted on 01/03/2013 6:37:01 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Kansas58

How is it liberal to be opposed to increased taxes?

No, I don’t think I should be forced to participate in Social Security or pay for medicare. The Federal government should not be in charge of those things. People should be responsible for their own retirement and healthcare. If the government spent and taxed less, people who have more money to save for the future. A lot of people wouldn’t do that, but I certainly would.


13 posted on 01/03/2013 6:48:09 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: a fool in paradise
For over a decade, the media has been insisting that these were ONLY tax cuts for the very wealthy.

In reality, the income tax has never be a tax on wealth or wealthy people. It has often been a disproportionate tax on high earners but they are not normally the very wealthy. Protection for ultra wealth are still in place and will remain so.

14 posted on 01/03/2013 6:50:09 PM PST by etcb
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15 posted on 01/03/2013 6:57:45 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should post gun free zone signs on their property and persons.)
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To: skeeter

Bush the idiot.


16 posted on 01/03/2013 6:58:18 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: 3Fingas

“Please explain to me how the “Fiscal Cliff Deal” is such a good thing for the average American when 80% of us will see at least a $1000/year increase in withholding....Pay check to pay check is how most Americans live. This increased withholding will be felt immediately by most of us.”

IF you want Social Security to still be there, then that pain you feel is necessary. Bottom line was that Obama was STUPID to have reduced witholding on Social Security as an “economic stimulus.” With Social Security being on shaky ground, it is foolish to think that a continued reduced witholding was anything but folly.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 7:06:18 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

I understand that some of this is supposed to pay for social security. However, as I wrote earlier, I don’t think the government should be in the business of social security in the first place. Our government is already broke and is just playing a shell game with our money. Why should I give the Federal government more money throughout the year? That little bit of withholding means a lot more to me than those in Washington who are just going to mismanage it anyhow.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 7:21:11 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: MinorityRepublican

There’d have been no fiscal cliff if Bush had been a better leader,.


19 posted on 01/03/2013 7:32:00 PM PST by DManA
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks MinorityRepublican.
Ninety-nine percent of American households were protected from tax increases, aside from the expiration of the reduced rate for the payroll tax. In the final deal, Congress and President Barack Obama agreed to preserve most of the Bush tax cuts, including exemptions on the estate tax.
Oooh, "President Barack Obama" -- nice detail for people who'd forgotten his first alias.


20 posted on 01/03/2013 8:01:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Kansas58
Do you think that you should not pay anything into Social Security or Medicare?

That's correct. As a matter of fact, I think I should get ALL the money I have ever paid into Social Security back.
I will sign a legal contract that I will never take any Social Security money at any point in my life if I can just have it all back. I won't even take any interest on the money.

21 posted on 01/03/2013 8:09:52 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is a great irony for sure.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 8:52:06 PM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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23 posted on 01/03/2013 9:00:24 PM PST by narses
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24 posted on 01/03/2013 9:01:01 PM PST by narses
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To: Just another Joe
I will sign a legal contract that I will never take any Social Security money at any point in my life if I can just have it all back. I won't even take any interest on the money.

Sounds like a good deal but the pols wont like it one bit because it will kill their slush fund if even a small minority of Americans scrape up enough brain cells to agree with you.

25 posted on 01/03/2013 9:08:20 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: 3Fingas

The reduction of your witholding was ridiculous to begin with, considering Soc Security is going broke. It was a political feel-good move by Ostinko and obviously was never going to remain in place for the long term. It served its purpose to help get Barky reelected.

BTW, your employer OTOH, never had his share of your witholdings reduced. Your employer has paid the full measure of your witholdings, paycheck after paycheck, all the while you enjoyed your reduction.


26 posted on 01/03/2013 10:10:35 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: 3Fingas

The reduction of your witholding was ridiculous to begin with, considering Soc Security is going broke. It was a political feel-good move by Ostinko and obviously was never going to remain in place for the long term. It served its purpose to help get Barky reelected.

BTW, your employer OTOH, never had his share of your witholdings reduced. Your employer has paid the full measure of your witholdings, paycheck after paycheck, all the while you enjoyed your reduction.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 10:11:21 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: prairiebreeze

Ok. So, the government withholds more. That’s going to save social security? No way. Our official debt is $16 Trillion and unfunded liabilities are considerably more than that. All they are doing is moving money around and printing fiat money. All the accounting tricks in the world are not going to save social security — even if you accept the premise that the Federal government should be doing that anyhow.

To make our government solvent is going to require something that most people are not willing to accept -real cuts in Federal spending and government policies which encourage business investment. There is nothing in this fiscal agreement nor in the President’s ideological leanings that will fix our long-term problems.

So, they can withhold more from our paychecks to keep up the facade that social security will be preserved, but they will only delay its demise for a short while. We need to transition away from these large government programs and towards self-sufficiency. However, everything I see is moving in the exact opposite direction.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 11:44:45 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: A Navy Vet

W was the worst. Examples? John Roberts, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, Operation Together Forward II, nation building, CFR, Harriet Miers, ect ect ect. How soon the bots forget.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 5:27:06 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: 3Fingas

easy, you will now feel better because more of your hard earned money will be used to BAIL OUT WALL STREET and BANKERS, thereby saving the economy temporarily from their Lies, Fraud and Theft.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 5:50:29 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: 3Fingas

The withholding feature was a typcial democrat issue LOST on the messaged of republicans - that money was ROBBED from Social Security - but not one darn republican said a word about this raid on social security. The old people should have been crazed to know that Pelosi, Reid and Obambi did this to SS without the help of conservatives.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 6:48:11 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: 3Fingas

You’re correct of course.
The whole thing is a joke. Just eliminate SS withholding completely and let Bernanke and Geithner make it appear electronically.


32 posted on 01/04/2013 6:51:55 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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