Skip to comments.Police Kicked Out Of Belleville Denny’s For Being Armed
Posted on 01/03/2013 9:09:24 PM PST by grundle
BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KMOX) Belleville police chief Bill Clay is ordering his officers to get their pancakes from anywhere but Dennys, calling the restaurant political stupidness.
The new orders come after a New Years Day clash between five detectives and one Dennys manager.
The department says the detectives were out of uniform but wearing their badges, when manager David Rice asked them to either leave or put their guns in their vehicle.
Rice, told the detectives that one of their weapons, specifically a female detectives gun, was making another diner feel uncomfortable.
As the officers were leaving, without their food, General Manager Michael Van walked up and corrected the manager and said it was fine for them to stay, but the officers said it would be too awkward and they left.
Dennys corporate office has released an apology saying, Dennys policy permits law enforcement officials to carry their firearms in the restaurant and we regret any misunderstanding.
An employee at the Belleville Dennys didnt want to talk about the confrontation to KMOX, but some Dennys customers said the presence of police and their guns was not an issue.
I’m guessing that licensed carry by civilians is also verboten? Isn’t it time for a divorce already?
Doesn’t say a lot for Denny’s management training program, does it. ?
And yet when they need emergency services to urgently respond....
At least McDonald’s has Hamburger University.
A cop is more dangerous than a Grand Slam Breakfast.
The 2a is not concerned with the comfort of anyone, nor does it make exceptions for the ballless.
It’s about time we ALL point that out to the ‘offended’. And stand by it.
Is it that hard for a detective to keep her weapon concealed???
Hey go easy on Dennys! I mean really,they are honestly trying to rectify what comes down to one low level manager who is a libtard freak. Sounds like the guy immediatley above realized what is going on.
They are meeting with the chief later this week, and will most likely offer unlimited pancakes for a year on the house fo the boys. Im sure Dennys doesnt want to lose the cop biz.Im glad this went national and brings the chicken little hysteria to light.
Belleville. Sounds similar to a sanitarium anyway.
Is there any reason a business should treat police officers carrying guns any differently than civilians?
Welcome to Obama’s America..where being armed is a dirty word, just like being successful is a dirty word
More groveling needed on this one. I didn’t see anything about meeting with the chief in the above story.
We may disagree elsewhere Rita, but we are lockstep here ;)
I don’t blame Denny’s. I mean c’mon they have a reputation as a family restaurant to uphold.
Denny’s fight Chicopee Ma.
Denny’s fight East Oakland
Denny’s fight North Hollywood
Denny’s fight Redlands Ca.
Denny’s fight Somewhere USA
Denny’s fight Dallas Tx.
Denny’s fight Dayton Oh.
Pages and Pages of Denny’s fine customer base on youtube.
Then tell the other customer to grow up and quit being afraid of shadows
Then tell the other customer to grow up and quit being afraid of shadows
I don’t know if the policies are still in place but years ago all of the fast-food chains gave free food to police officers just for the ‘free’ security. That is why fast-food restaurants are not very often robbed. the thugs know that police are usually there.
In Illinois, nobody, not even the police are going to be allowed to carry soon. It's for the children!!!
I can not imagine living in a place like that. the cops in a Denny's here are probably out gunned by civilians at any given moment.
Some utterance of mine would give pause? Or, paws?
That’s kind of a surprise, I rather remember your remarks with esteem.
(Hang in there, surely you will come around, wherever we may have disagreed). %;)
I doubt a diner cared about the guns. My guess is the idiot manager who kicked them out.
Unless I’m mistaken (quite possibly) we got into it back in the primary season. But that was then and it’s a whole new day.
Or I am just wrong and will feel awful sheepish about it ;)
Denny’s acted stupidly. Time for Bambi to call a bacon & eggs summit.
Glad to see Denny’s corporate making amends in good faith. I like their Santa Fe skillets. Hate to boycott them, too.
Illinois is famously uncomfortable about guns among the people.
Ah, but now, just this once, some people are uncomfortable about guns among the governing, but now just LISTEN to the cat-calls and tsk-tsking...!
Fair for me, but NOT for THEE...!!!
The insanity has continued there for so long on the people precisely because the insanity did not fall on the governing class themselves.
I support Denny’s, here.
Oh. May be. We both lost, in the end, I’m sure of that. Thx. Rita.
Years ago I knew a cop who pulled over a teenage girl for speeding. The first thing she said was “I work at McDonald’s and you know we give you free hamburgers, don’t you?”
The cop said “You’ve never given me a free one because I don’t accept them.” Then he wrote her a ticket.
How Ironic. Denny’s 2012 Ad
I wonder if this is a rogue manager
See Denny’s Ad post 29
Denny’s sounds like a criminal magnet. I’ll eat somewhere else.
Depends on the weapon and on the holster and on the clothes. But even if the gun is concealable in principle, why to do so if you can carry it openly, and clothes over the gun will cost you a couple seconds if you have to draw it? Police has to deal with very nasty people. What if there is a fugitive dining at the restaurant?
I know if I were a criminal I’d rob that Dennys.
The 2nd amendment doesn’t preserve your right to keep and bear arms on other people’s property. It is entirely beside the point.
Screw the chief. I don’t care about him. Tell your officers to not enforce the law somewhere else, if Dennys hurt you’d feelings.
Screw the chief. I don’t care about him. Tell your officers to not enforce the law somewhere else, if Dennys hurt your feelings.
Know this Denny’s and I need to remind myself to write you directly, I will not ever eat at any of your stores again.
I don’t care if this was a rogue franchisee. You are FUp’s and FK’d up in the head.
You ain’t right morally or spiritually.
Drinking again? Police have legal authority to carry their weapons anywhere while on duty, and with a CCP, anywhere, ibid, ipso facto and ad infinitum.
I’d rather have a group of police officers with guns in a Denny’s than have an unarmed group of police officers in a Denny’s. Robbers like Denny’s. Armed cops don’t like robbers. Armed cops capture or kill armed robbers. People can eat in peace.
A piece of pie for desert, garcon!
Police have legal authority to carry weapons anywhere while on duty? Like in my house? Not if I refuse them entry, and in the absence of probable cause or the sort of “exigent circumstances” that judges are constantly expanding. Restaurants reserve the right to refuse service at their discretion, which derives from freedom of association and private property rights. Cops, onduty or not, possess no special right to service.
This is pointless chatter, by the way, as you are responding to my post about the 2nd amendment. Police privilege is another matter entirely.
Bad move, dennys. Dunkin donuts would never do that.
I predict tickets. Lot’s of tickets...
If their badge is exposed they can carry openly, on duty, off duty or plain clothes. thats the way it was with my department.
“I’ll have the Reginald Denny Headslam Breakfast, please”
These were detectives not uniformed police officers. I have never seen a detective carry their weapon openly. Only one detective in this group had the weapon showing — and it was a she who probably wanted to show her macho. None of the other detectives had their weapons showing.
This Dennys is two blocks from the police station. Surely the police chief has a policy that covers display of weapons by non-uniformed officers aka detectives when in public establishments.
The fact that the police chief here referred to the badges on the belt or around the neck as some kind of justification for displaying their weapons shows that he’s trying to stretch the meaning of “uniformed officer” to cover plain clothes detectives — but it won’t work.
Badges on belts that cannot be seen or hanging around the neck that can be tucked into the shirt don’t make you a uniformed officer.
1. A Denny's manager claimed that the presence of the armed police officers were making his customers uncomfortable.
2. The Denny's general manager later claimed that most of the customers weren't uncomfortable with the presence of armed police officers.
So, my question is - how much time did it take the general manger to fire his subordinate? Or, was the subordinate one of America's numerous “protected sub-species” who can not be fired no matter how bad their individual performance is?
But that's part of the problem, isn't it? We now live in a society where men are no longer men, but instead sniveling, feminized little quislings who tremble and squeal at the sight of a gun. So everyone is expected to go to any length to nursemaid and humor these idiots.
I no longer recognize this country; it's become an alien landscape.