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Kerry's non-honorable discharge
world net daily ^ | Nov 2004 | Col. Earl Lively (Ret)

Posted on 01/03/2013 10:34:18 PM PST by doug from upland

There is overwhelming evidence that the Navy gave John Kerry either a dishonorable discharge or an undesirable discharge – which is the equivalent of a dishonorable discharge without the felony conviction – and that, as a result of such discharge, he was stripped of all of his famous but questionable Navy awards and medals. And the kicker? The evidence is on his website!

Kerry’s oh-so-clever handlers evidently depended on the ignorance of the public and the press about military records when they posted his 1978 “Honorable Discharge from the Reserves” on his site as part of a carefully selected partial release of his Navy records (the Navy says it is still withholding about 100 records). However, one diligent researcher, Thomas Lipscomb, saw through the scam and exposed it in a New York Sun story on Oct. 13. Predictably, the major media has shunned the story.

What Mr. Lipscomb noticed (and I overlooked when I first read the document) was the date of the posted discharge, Feb. 16, 1978. This was six years after Kerry’s six-year (1966-1972) commitment to the Navy ended. The anti-war detractor of our military did not re-up for another six-year term in 1972, so why the delay of his discharge? The only logical conclusion is that the 1978 honorable discharge was a second discharge given to replace an earlier undesirable discharge under less-than-honorable conditions, as unfit for military service.

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1 posted on 01/03/2013 10:34:35 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

We have an illegal immigrant in the White House, so what’s a secretary of state with a bad conduct discharge, a communist “green czar” or a treasury secretary that cheats on his taxes?


2 posted on 01/03/2013 10:40:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t forget the fake Indian in the Senate...


3 posted on 01/03/2013 10:43:03 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: doug from upland

Sure it was. Carter gave it to him. Gave him his medals back, too. It’s sad what this country has become. But what can we expect when there are retards voting.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 10:44:20 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I post so people who hate me will know what I think. And they can't seem to stop reading. LOL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s also unfit for Pubic Service.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 10:44:46 PM PST by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Whooorah, Arizona!)
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To: Spitzensparkin1

oops...Public


6 posted on 01/03/2013 10:45:46 PM PST by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Whooorah, Arizona!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah. We could do worse, right?(sar)


7 posted on 01/03/2013 10:52:32 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: doug from upland

The more I read the more I get sick.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 10:53:37 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: doug from upland

bfl


9 posted on 01/03/2013 10:54:14 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: doug from upland
Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971 - FR thread March 06, 2004

10 posted on 01/03/2013 11:00:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: doug from upland

Kerry’s been promising to sign an S-180 form since 2004!


11 posted on 01/03/2013 11:02:52 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: doug from upland

huh ? that can’t be. That info must be in his SF 180...
oh wait...nevermind


12 posted on 01/03/2013 11:03:20 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama - Fredo smart)
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To: A CA Guy

You know, Obama probably knew all about this while in the Senate.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if this convinced him HE could get away with his scam?


13 posted on 01/03/2013 11:03:44 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: doug from upland
Three purple hearts in four months without so much as a scratch to show for it. The swift boat veterans who told the truth about him were called liars by the Left, after serving their full tour instead of cheating their way out. Does anyone remember him parading himself as a hero, with that stupid Benny Hill salute and saying "John Kerry, reporting for duty!"?

They said he wasn't running as a Vietnam veteran. Oh no? He trotted out the uniformed actors in his televised campaign speech. I have nothing against running away from combat, by the way. It's instictive. But in doing so you shouldn't also label yourself as a hero.
14 posted on 01/03/2013 11:07:32 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Instinctive, that is to say.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 11:09:09 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: doug from upland

I’m wondering if the original discharge was for any actual misconduct, or because his attitude and speech about the highly controversial Vietnam war had changed and been noticed while he was still in service.

However else you might feel about Kerry, the Vietnam War involves as many complex responses as does current feeling about the unfunded Iraq War which was based on what we were told about WMDs.


16 posted on 01/03/2013 11:20:34 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

17 posted on 01/03/2013 11:31:48 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: doug from upland

No one cares anymore. It’s insane.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 11:39:35 PM PST by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: doug from upland

Meeting with the enemy on your own initiative during a time of war and taking part in anti-war demonstrations while still in uniform tends to make an honorable discharge less likely.


19 posted on 01/03/2013 11:51:40 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

(( ping ))


20 posted on 01/03/2013 11:56:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We have an illegal immigrant in the White House, so what’s a secretary of state with a bad conduct discharge, a communist “green czar” or a treasury secretary that cheats on his taxes?

Or, an education secretary who supports homosexual pedophilia? Or, a former president and recent convention keynote speaker who had an affair in the Oval Office with an intern young enough to be his daughter, masturbated in the Oval Office sink, and ended up impeached and disbarred?

Perfect Democrats all...

21 posted on 01/04/2013 12:01:30 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Spitzensparkin1

Your first attempt was much more appropriate.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 12:18:14 AM PST by Cololeo
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To: doug from upland
We all know this. Now get someone with horsepower to say something. Ain't gonna happen. This has been simple math for decades now, but Mass doesn't seem to care any more than they care about male prostitution or drowning women.

The VVAW's FBI file clearly states that Kerry was present when they voted to assassinate 5 Senators, but hey, he's just another moderate. Now we have gun control coming from the Dems and we know the VVAW were stockpiling weapons to overthrow the government. And how did they pay for all the guns and ammo,.....drug sales. It's all there if you read the FBI file.

Now get Hanity, Rush, Orielly, Gretchen, anybody to bring it up.

I've tried.

I even sent it to Drudge and Breitbart. Nobody cares.

A Sheriff in AZ has PROVEN, beyond any doubt, that our prez has forged documents and likely committed felonies. So air tight it would stand up in court. Who is willing to even say a peep for a Pulitzer?

Now NBC says on the air that we were mistaken about the AR15 in the school and then says he had 4 pistols to do the shooting. Then, to top it off, they show a video of the "long gun" in the trunk and it's a Saiga Shotgun, not an AR15. I don't even know if there is any evidence an AR15 was even at the crime scene. The med examiner says all were shot with a .223. First reports were he shot himself with a 10mm. Now we face an assault weapons ban and he may not have even had one at the school. I have contacted all of the above people with links to the film and stories. NOBODY CARES!!!

I contacted FoxNews directly and they informed me they are no longer accepting info on the story. Baghdad Bod was better than this.

If someone can do better, please do. I have been sending the VVAW info and the Discharge info since the bastid was running for prez. Even the Swiftboaters couldn't get an audience.

And one more thing,.....Frank Marshall Davis had a FBI file as a communist and he admitted with his own mouth he liked sex with children. If we would have had trouble with Russia back then, he would have been picked up by the FBI. Obama visited him about 3 times a week from 10 years old till he left Hawaii. He said Frank "plied" him with alcohol and drugs. Plied him for what, exactly? NOBODY CARES!!!! Not even Hanity. Not a peep.

Good luck exposing Kerry. Keep trying, I've quit. I think they may be blocking my email addy. Maybe they won't take it with attachments and links.

23 posted on 01/04/2013 12:23:57 AM PST by chuckles
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To: doug from upland

Please Joe, FO.

You are turning into a tabloid.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 12:47:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: doug from upland
(the Navy says it is still withholding about 100 records).

True.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 1:35:36 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We have an illegal immigrant in the White House, so what’s a secretary of state with a bad conduct discharge, a communist “green czar” or a treasury secretary that cheats on his taxes?”
____________________________________________________

Add to that, an idiot population that seems to love them.
Now, does anyone on this forum REALLY want to castigate me for leaving the USSA?


26 posted on 01/04/2013 2:50:46 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I have nothing against running away from combat, by the way. It's instictive. But in doing so you shouldn't also label yourself as a hero.

John Kerry supposedly shot and killed a 14 year old enemy in the back as he was running away. I have nothing against that either. The enemy is the enemy, no matter the age or which way he is running but it sure is not something to brag about. You do your job and shut your pie hole.

27 posted on 01/04/2013 3:38:25 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Humidston

Some of us do! I too was discharged in 1972 I was awarded a Bronze Star with the “V” Device and a Purple Heart. The key to this is I was awarded these by my Country, if my memory is correct Kerry applied for his. I may be wrong but fake valor needs to be pointed out every time it surfaces and I believe Kerry is as fake as they come.


28 posted on 01/04/2013 4:00:14 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Terry Mross

The retarded, I can have some compassion for; but the immoral degenerates not so much.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 4:24:41 AM PST by Twinkie (OBAMA is the FISCAL CLIFF !!)
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To: doug from upland

So for a brief moment....let’s go over the story how he got the discharge. Toward the last year of the Johnson administration...Henry Kissenger was in charge of the Paris talks with North Vietnam. Some funny stories popped up over the US dragging its feet to end the war. Even the Vietnam government today admits that they can’t understand why things weren’t settled at that point.

Enter young Kerry....back from the war...with a different prospective....and he can’t understand these rumors of stalled talks. So Kerry does a pretty stupid thing...he goes off to Paris and wants to find out the facts, while he is in the Naval Reserve and holds a security clearance. At the end of his personal fact-finding mission....he has concluded that Kissenger is personally stalling the talks and it’s the advantage of the Republican Party....namely Nixon.

So Kerry comes back and tries to talk about this mess with members of Congress, and the Pentagon finds out about the wild travels and talks of this young brash naval officer. He gets dragged in...given charges....and kicked out. Until Jimmy Carter comes around with his upgrade program....Kerry is destined to never amount to any thing.

Kerry may be an idiot (I won’t argue with that discussion)....but how he got the bad discharge might be worth discussing. We ended up wasting another three years in a war without much value....all because of Kissenger’s delay tactics.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 4:28:26 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The allegation of Kerry originally receiving a less than honorable discharge is easily provable and here is my logic.

When the North Vietnamese were negotiating with the U.S. in Paris, Kerry attempted to directly interject himself into the negotiations. At that time, he was still a member of the Naval Reserve. Since this action is prohibited, the Navy showed it’s displeasure and awarded a less than honorable discharge. When a service member receives a less than honorable discharge, their awards (personal and military) are stricken as well. When Kerry was running for President, on his website were three documents regarding his Silver Star.

The first was the letter of transmittal signed by then Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, who I believe was CINC Naval Forces Vietnam and it was signed in 1969. The second document was the citation which is a somewhat detailed narrative citing the actions taken for the issuance of the award; and the third document is the award itself signed by the Secretary of Navy.

In Kerry’s case, the SECNAV who signed the document was John Lehman, who was SECNAV under Ronald Reagan. In 1969, SECNAV was John Ball.

I believe that he was awarded a less than honorable discharge and his medals were stricken. When President Carter decided to upgrade the “bad” Vietnam related discharges, Kerry applied for the upgrade and when it was approved, he also applied to have his medals and awards reissued and Secretary Lehman did so.

I am very confident of my facts because Secretary Lehman was a Navy Reservist and there was a concern over the impartiality of the officers doing his performance evaluations, since he was SECNAV and could ultimately have a negative impact on the rating official’s career.

Kerry lied and has been lying for almost 40 years. Actions do have consequences.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 4:42:23 AM PST by cgchief
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To: gleeaikin
I’m wondering if the original discharge was for any actual misconduct

Meeting with the enemy while he was still in the Nazy would certainly be sufficient actual misconduct.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

32 posted on 01/04/2013 4:46:12 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Graybeard58

An unarmed 14 year old enemy at that. It was a combat zone, however, and things happen that are nothing to brag about. By the way, I’m sure the “John Kerry reporting for duty” line had reference to the fraudulent claim that Bush was once AWOL in the national guard. It was a big conspiracy theory for liberals at the time, and Kerry was milking it.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 5:32:34 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: Graybeard58

An unarmed 14 year old enemy at that. It was a combat zone, however, and things happen that are nothing to brag about. By the way, I’m sure the “John Kerry reporting for duty” line had reference to the fraudulent claim that Bush was once AWOL in the national guard. It was a big conspiracy theory for liberals at the time, and Kerry was milking it.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 5:32:34 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (Common sense is the first casualty of a depraved mind.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“We have an illegal immigrant in the White House, so what’s a secretary of state with a bad conduct discharge, a communist “green czar” or a treasury secretary that cheats on his taxes?”..

That about sums it up. I’d like to see Kerry’s DD-214 so I can believe most of the hype.


35 posted on 01/04/2013 5:43:32 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“We have an illegal immigrant in the White House, so what’s a secretary of state with a bad conduct discharge, a communist “green czar” or a treasury secretary that cheats on his taxes?”..

That about sums it up. I’d like to see Kerry’s DD-214 so I can believe most of the hype.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 5:43:38 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: doug from upland

A Dishonorable Discharge is a punitive discharge that can ONLY be given as a result of conviction by General Courts-Martial. It can ONLY be given to enlisted personnel. The equivelant for a commissioned officer is Dismissal from the Service.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 6:28:42 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: doug from upland
And this is “news”?

When Kerry was running for President back in 2004 I took a quick look at the paperwork his committee supplied the media. The first thing that got my attention was the date on the DD214 - six years after his commitment to the USN had expired. WTFO? The I remembered the “Peanut's” first action after being sworn in in January 1977 - near blanket re-papering of all the “bad paper” discharges from Vietnam.

Then there was that phrase “upon a review of a board of officers”. I took a look at my enlisted DD214 from July 1970. It was honorable and did not include that phrase.

IMHO.. Unfortunately the dimocratic party attributed their defeat in 2004 to the fact that their candidate had too big a history instead of being a flawed candidate. So, based on that opinion the dimocrats ran a candidate with no history in 2008 and won.

The rest, unfortunately is and will be history - all of it bad!

38 posted on 01/04/2013 6:43:55 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t forget the push to get ex-Senator Hagel into the Defense Dept.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 7:17:27 AM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Nip

I know it is not “news.” I brought this back as a reminder before his confirmation hearings.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 8:48:15 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Vendome

What in the world does that response mean?


41 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:52 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

I used to receive WND in print. At some point I didn’t feel it was worth paying for paper after many of his articles went Bizarro World.

The article, like so many others, strayed FO reality.

Kerry is an A-hole and a synthetic bully, that’s for sure.

But, he really did receive an honorable discharge and threw his phony ribbons in a pond during one of his sheep dip antics.

No offense to you.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 12:23:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: doug from upland

“I know it is not “news.” I brought this back as a reminder before his confirmation hearings.”

Lets just pray there is ONE individual in those hearings that demands that he finally produce his original DD214 prior to any confirmation vote. Show us Johnny! We’re still waiting...


43 posted on 01/06/2013 11:44:10 PM PST by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Whooorah, Arizona!)
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