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Militia members plotted to kill federal officials, prosecutors say
CNN Justice ^ | 12 November 2011

Posted on 01/04/2013 5:24:41 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Federal agents charged four Georgia men they say are part of a fringe militia group with plotting to attack government officials with explosives and the biotoxin ricin, prosecutors in Atlanta announced Tuesday.

A government informant recorded the men discussing plans to manufacture ricin, a highly poisonous substance derived from castor beans, and attack Justice Department officials, federal judges and Internal Revenue Service agents, according to court papers released Tuesday afternoon. Prosecutors said the public was never in imminent danger. All four suspects were in custody and are scheduled to make their initial court appearances Wednesday in Gainesville, about 50 miles northeast of Atlanta, the U.S. attorney's office announced.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: federal; killing; officials
Posted the old story to ask these questions:

1. How many incidences have there been of radical or psychopathic killers specifically shooting a Federal official or officials (other than Postal workers shooting their coworkers)?

2. If not, why not?

3. How many incidences have there been of ideological nutcases or mentally ill persons attempting to shoot Federal officials other than a President or Governor?

4. If not, why not?

Other than the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh and friends, I can't think of very many cases. And, they used a bomb knowing they wouldn't be able to shoot very many of them. After the OK incident, could it be that most are heavily armed or have a lot of armed backup?

Could it be that the entrance to the facilities where these people work are guarded by well-trained, determined shooters? Could it be that the punishment for doing such is swift and precise through the courts? Tim was executed. Could it be that anyone affiliated with, related to or knowing the individuals who commit such acts are so thoroughly investigated afterwards that any such future commentary to the effect of doing such a thing is immediately reported? Could it be that the government and just about every other government of the world would chase the perp until the end of time? I don't know for sure...just asking.

More questions...

Why not follow through swiftly with execution for people who kill common people? Why do they get to live in prison for years and/or life? Is a Federal official's life is worth more than the life of the common man? If the the Federal official's life is worth more, isn't that unconstitutional? Or, why? Why can Federal officials (and the rich) put their children in schools with armed guards and everyone else can't? Is it because of their status or that they have more money? That's not fair. I thought politicians cared about the people and wanted all things equal. Are their children's lives of more value the the lives of our children? Why?

1 posted on 01/04/2013 5:24:57 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
In any group of three or more anti-government activists, one of them is likely to be a government informant.

Spotting the informant is easy. He's the one who will be advocating performing an illegal act, and will be the one with access to know-how and materials.

2 posted on 01/04/2013 5:29:40 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
plans to manufacture ricin, a highly poisonous substance derived from castor beans ...

Wait. Let me get a pencil ... [/jk]

3 posted on 01/04/2013 5:32:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Purely as an intellectual exercise, if you had to choose between twenty first-graders or twenty members of congress to be shot, which would you choose? Then why do we have an armed Capitol police force and schools are unarmed and defenseless?


4 posted on 01/04/2013 5:33:45 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: muir_redwoods
Then why do we have an armed Capitol police force and schools are unarmed and defenseless?

Simple. One group is considered royalty and the other is not.

5 posted on 01/04/2013 5:39:47 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Sounds like a screenplay for a GREAT movie!


6 posted on 01/04/2013 5:45:17 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Simple. Government protects itself first, then the citizens who keep it in power. Sadly, it takes advantage of young people who are willing to give their lives to protect it. Such people will find out after their tour of duty is complete that government is not as loyal to them as it demanded they be to it.

This is not the country my father and mother both enlisted to serve.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 5:49:07 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The answer to your question is easily answered ~ back in the WWI era and following there were numerous attempts made by far leftwingtard nut cases to blow up postal facilities. A low level campaign of this sort had been going on since the 1890s, but after WWI it was amped up. This was a rather worldwide phenomenon ~ and mostly symbolic since virtually all such buildings were owned by governments!

Rather than outlaw anything that could be turned into a bomb smart cops and engineers worked together to determine what features could be designed into a building to make it unlikely it would be attacked by the crazies.

For the most part they succeeded. Excluding acts of war there have been few attacks on postal and other government buildings anywhere ~ inasmuch as EVERYONE adopted the new standards.

Still, there were events and the McVeigh event stands out ~ the Murrah Building was part of a land deal where the government ended up having a substandard sized lot for the building size, with an improperly laid out building, with the wrong structure, made of the wrong materials.

I don't think there was a single aspect of that building that met the government building standards adopted in the late 1920s and early 1930s!

McVeigh had a larger target across the street that he could have bombed, and where hundreds of people would have been killed ~ a major postal facility! He drove past it to park beside the Murrah Building where he attacked a day care center ~

The major features protecting post offices are simple ~ they are set back from the roads, protected by unobtrusive balustrade and grade varations, then there are blow out walls, and employees are located far to the interior and not in the support areas on the perimeter. Steel fences provide further protection, as do decorative brick walls, ginormous rocks, and, reinforced stairways at main entrances (for older multi-story buildings)

8 posted on 01/04/2013 5:49:43 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Senator John “I served in Viet-Nam” Kerry belonged/belongs to the VVAW, that group plotted to murder 19 US senators who supported the war in Viet-Nam, they ploted to kidnap a group of US Senators, and to blow up sevela bombs in DC. Two members were arrested with an exploding device in their car on their way to an VP Agnew speech.

IOW- VVAW was a terrorist organization.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 5:50:41 AM PST by stockpirate (Mooshell Obama will run for POTUS in 2016.......Obama election fruad won the day.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Joe Biden’s got your answer. He knows some Congress critters he’d shoot now at the drop of a hat, but he also hates chillun’. He’s the guy who submitted the Free Fire Zone School bill to the U.S.Senate. He knew what would happen ~ and now this same brain damaged mad man is going to be in charge of the commission that investigates these things.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 5:53:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ClearCase_guy
Simple recipe.

People all over this area plant it for the beautiful red flowers and giant leaves. DHS snitches report them all the time, and SP cars are visiting in the late summer/early fall.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 5:53:46 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Actually beans, when dried and pulverized, are highly-poisonous, but beans themselves are only mildly hallucinogenic.

http://seedrack.com/indiv/ricinus_communis.html?source=googleps&gclid=CJ_sso7rzrQCFUOK4AodSwcAQw


12 posted on 01/04/2013 5:55:49 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Simple, because the government is trying to kill white culture and take all of defenses away.

Anyone remember the church burning of the civil rights movement? The same exact number of children were killed then, rounded up and murdered in their churches- where they felt safe.

In Germany- how did the socialists work? Rounded Jews up and burned them alive in their places of worship.

There is nothing new under the sun. We have been here before.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 5:55:58 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I realize there are many Muslim militants of all nations plotting against the USA. CNN, what is your plot against US?


14 posted on 01/04/2013 6:06:22 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: muir_redwoods
...if you had to choose between twenty first-graders or twenty members of congress to be shot, which would you choose?

Do I get to choose the twenty, or are they random? < /sarc >

15 posted on 01/04/2013 6:26:19 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What is the status of the ricin case you cited? Has it gone to trial? Just curious. Seems like these “militia” cases often get major press at the lurid accusation stage, only to evaporate almost unnoticed when it turns out to be entrapment or no crime was actually committed.


16 posted on 01/04/2013 6:29:33 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: stockpirate
Senator John “I served in Viet-Nam” Kerry belonged/belongs to the VVAW, that group plotted to murder 19 US senators who supported the war in Viet-Nam, they ploted to kidnap a group of US Senators, and to blow up sevela bombs in DC. Two members were arrested with an exploding device in their car on their way to an VP Agnew speech.

IOW- VVAW was a terrorist organization.

Who among our elected elite will have the guts to stand up and say all that at Kerry's SOS confirmation hearings?

< /anticipating crickets >

17 posted on 01/04/2013 6:33:19 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Incorrect application of the term “militia” by the media is a disservice to all of us.


18 posted on 01/04/2013 6:33:56 AM PST by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

By passing unconstitutional laws, the government ensures the existence of a large number of civilian soft-target, while the institution of government continues to harden its defenses. In the minds of progressive politicians, they view themselves as the nobles and set themselves above the rest. Our civilization continues to degenerate toward the ancient ways of the king and his nobles versus the serfs. The serfs have too much property and too many rights and the nobles are going to take all. Your outline and questions you know the answer to, prove all of these points.


19 posted on 01/04/2013 6:45:16 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Eventually, we will need to accept the fact that 0bama’s ilegitimate, unconstitutional regime is OUR enemy. Yes, there will be 0bama
government informants, just as there were Stasi, KGB, and Gestapo.
It might not be the right time for violence just yet, but I believe that the time will come sooner than you think.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 6:51:27 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: windcliff

Old coots.

“Eh-eh-eh-eh....”


21 posted on 01/04/2013 6:59:22 AM PST by onedoug
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To: JimRed

If I gave you a choice, would twenty be adequate? In the interests of decorum, you don’t need to answer.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 7:07:25 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: grumpygresh

They’re snooping around in here I’ll betcha. That he is a tyrant, only the DC GOP can’t figure that out. Only two choices when dealing with a Tyrant. The first is slavery, which I’m willing to endure with joy, knowing my Lord has everything worked out for my good. The second is almost as bad when one takes into account all the variables.


23 posted on 01/04/2013 7:19:29 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I would opine that any group of three contains at least two government informants.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 7:22:01 AM PST by sport
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Such plots always seem remarkably inept. If they plan to do it, why don't they just do it. Hmmm. It's almost as though some agent provocateur was getting them set up to provide some media coverage for the wonderful government.

Like Santa Clause everyone should make a list and check it twice to see who's naughty and see who's nice.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 7:24:38 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: PapaBear3625

“In any group of three or more anti-government activists, one of them is likely to be a government informant.”

You got that right. The name of the “known” but not named militia organization is the “Geriatric Jihad” which is what these 4 old coots were jokingly called. These guys are all old mountain boys sitting around the Waffle House on 441 talking smack about the govt. They have probably been sitting in that Waffle House on their duffs talking like that for years.

One thing the Feds were right about is that the American public was never in any danger because they never would have done anything.

Everybody up here knows its just a bunch of carp. The Feds are trying to gin up scare talk about the militias again just like in the nineties. It never changes.

This is just another Hutterie Militia witch hunt.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 8:10:17 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PapaBear3625
 
In any group of three or more anti-government activists, one of them is likely to be a government informant.

Spotting the informant is easy. He's the one who will be advocating performing an illegal act, and will be the one with access to know-how and materials.

True

27 posted on 01/04/2013 9:30:14 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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