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The Next Big Thing From The Official Who Predicted Communism's Demise
Townhall.com ^ | January 4, 2013 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 01/04/2013 11:30:40 AM PST by Kaslin

Herbert E. Meyer served during the Reagan administration as special assistant to the director of Central Intelligence, and vice chairman of the CIA’s National Intelligence Council.  He is widely credited as having been the first senior official to predict the fall of the Soviet Union. He’s also, written a number of good books (including How to Analyze Information: A Step-by-Step Guide to Life’s Most Vital Skill, and The Cure for Poverty: It’s the Free Market: History’s Greatest Invention), plus he often speaks to groups of business executives.

Recently he took time out of his busy schedule to sit down across a Skype connection with me, at the hinge point between 2012 and 2013 to reflect on intelligence, forecasting, what he saw in the 1980s which others did not, and what he sees coming next, which might be even bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall.

I suggest you set aside some time to listen to the whole discussion (more of a thinking session than an interview), but in case you don’t have time, I jotted down some notes hitting just a few of the highlights from the conversation.  These are notes, not perfect transcriptions, so they sometimes paraphrase a bit. For the real unfiltered thing click on this link.

Regarding the CIA and its inability to see the fall of the Soviets:

·         They (that is most of the intelligence community) saw the Cold War as a permanent feature of the world. But Reagan came along and said, ‘wait a minute, the Soviet Economy is on the verge of implosion.’ The ‘establishment’ said the Soviet Economy would go on forever.

·         The CIA had been built to monitor Soviet strengths, but nobody was looking at Soviet weaknesses.

·         The key to it is to know what you’re looking for in order to find it. Until we asked ‘can the Soviet Economy be sustained?’, nobody was looking in that direction. We had our people look for intelligence about Soviet weaknesses. The weaknesses were overwhelming the strengths.

·         It never occurred to anyone that the Cold War would end, so we were playing defense. From the end of WWII to the 1980s the world was playing defense.

·         Reagan came in and said we don’t want to just not lose the Cold War; we want to win the cold war.

·         “In the Cold War, we instructed our spies: ‘If you find something like this (whatever we thought was important to identifying signs of Soviet vulnerability), don’t throw it into the wastebasket, send it to us fast.’ We knew that if nothing comes in through that channel, either our theory was wrong or our collectors were incompetent. They got us all kinds of stuff that no one was looking for. If you’re back channel becomes crowded then your theory is probably right.”

·         It just never crossed these people’s mind that the Soviet Union was unsustainable. They had those ideological blinders on. They viewed President Reagan as so stupid because he felt intuitively that their system could not be sustained.

·         Gorbachev gave it his best shot; it couldn’t be reformed, and that was his great failure. He said it could be made to work better and that simply was not true.

·         At one point Reagan had said that he wanted a private conversation with Gorbachev…he said to Gorbachev, “What’s the difference between a communist and a scientist?” “I don’t know,” responded Gorbachev. Reagan smiled and said, “A scientist would have tried it out on rats first.” I think that’s when we won the Cold War, when Gorbachev realized he wasn’t sitting across from the idiot he’d been told he would be dealing with.

 Regarding intelligence gathering in general:

·         Before 9/11 intelligence services never made a list of things to look for as if Al Qaeda were in the U.S. and trying to attack us. When the FBI noticed young men learning to fly planes but without learning how to land, there was no one waiting for that.

·         The crucial intelligence skill is the ability to spot a pattern with the fewest possible facts. You’ve got to have people who can make that intuitive leap. They’re all over the place…they’re not in our intelligence services.

·         The key intelligence skill is that you have to know what you’re looking for in order to find it. The notion that you have to keep looking at data endlessly waiting for something to pop up is nonsense, it’s just noise.

Regarding organizational leadership:

·         The first rule of organizations is that first-rate executives hire first-rate executives. President Reagan was a first-rate executive and he brought in a varsity team: Bill Casey, at the CIA, Cap Weinberger at defense, Jeanne Kirkpatrick at UN and they hired first rate executives themselves.

·         He understood something that a lot of CEOs don’t. To accomplish your objective you’re going to have to work very closely with people you’re not very comfortable with and don’t want to hang out with. You don’t have to want to hang out with these people to work closely with them. He had his own friends. In contrast, and I don’t want to overstate this, but The George W. Bush people were a bunch of frat boys. It was as if they thought that ‘If I’m not comfortable with you, I don’t want you here.’ They were good guys, but they were all the same. You see this mistake in corporations all the time.

·         You hire the talent and point them to the objective and get of the way.

·         You remember that people have different skills. President Reagan, for example, could do things no one else could do, whether it was standing in from the Berlin Wall and telling Gorbachev to tear it down…but he couldn’t name all 25 members of the Politburo. He probably couldn’t name all the members of his cabinet and he saw no reason to clutter up his mind with such detail.

·         He would not make any decisions which could be made by anybody else. He would only make those decisions which only he could make.

·         The chief executive shouldn’t be that busy. When I see a chief executive who’s buried in paperwork at ten o’clock every night, that guy doesn’t have a grip on it. The CEO should be sitting there with his feet up on the desk thinking, figuring out strategically what to do next.

Regarding the next big world event that no one is paying attention to:

·         When you stand back from all the yelling and the screaming…you can see what I believe is the most important trend in the word…the world is emerging from poverty fast. This is the biggest under-reported news story in the world.

·         By 1980 or 1990 about two billion human beings were out of poverty, since then another half billion have crossed the line out of poverty; a lot of them in India and china. In the last six years 20 million Brazilians have emerged. When you put all these numbers together…each year between fifty and one hundred million human beings are leaving poverty behind.

·         If we can continue this trend within our lifetimes, and certainly within our children’s lifetimes, the overwhelming majority of human beings will no longer be poor.  This is the biggest thing that’s happened in the entire world.

·         By the way it’s going to be a five billion-person middle class. This will become the most powerful force in the world. Their demand for our goods and services will set off an economic boom…I believe that we’re heading for not just a sonic boom, but maybe a supersonic boom.

I’m not sure I agree with everything Herb Meyer said in our discussion, which is why I challenged him a little bit on his optimism about the pace, or even the possibility, of Islam’s reconciliation with modernity. You can listen to the discussion and draw your own conclusions. But I came away from this with the sense that through Herb, we were being given the opportunity to go back in time and sit in the front row seats at one of the great moments in history (the winning blow which would lead to the dissolution of the USSR) and with one of the great men of history (Ronald Reagan). I also think that he’s right about the emergence of a global middle class: it’s coming, it’s huge, it’s real and it’s spectacular. And investors and entrepreneurs who tap into it will be tapping into the greatest wealth creation event in human history.

However, human nature has not been abolished. The boom won’t happen everywhere; it will happen in the parts of the world which embrace freedom, and it won’t come easily. Supersonic boom? Perhaps, but geographically lumpy and chronologically lumpy and, given recent events, not centered in the United States.


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1 posted on 01/04/2013 11:30:41 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

This would have sounded reasonable before the elections of 2008 and 2012.


2 posted on 01/04/2013 11:37:28 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you for posting this fascinating article. Worth reading several times, and pondering at length.


3 posted on 01/04/2013 11:40:41 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Iron Munro; Kaslin

Obama is doing everything possible to stop the development of a middleclass anywhere. The middle class threatens his bizarre Marxist ideology, which is not based on rising prosperity but on the gulf between the haves and the have-nots.

Our biggest problem is going to be underpopulation, not only in the US but even in the Third World before too long. China is going to crash because its one-child policy has led to virtually no female births, the impossibility of reproducing, and entire areas where there are no longer workers.

Even here in the US, when you travel outside of any big urban area, you find a depopulated land and some abandoned former urban areas that literally look as if a neutron bomb had dropped on them.

That’s going to be the big problem in the future: no markets.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 11:42:52 AM PST by livius
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To: Iron Munro

This stands out:

“The first rule of organizations is that first-rate executives hire first-rate executives. President Reagan was a first-rate executive and he brought in a varsity team: Bill Casey, at the CIA, Cap Weinberger at defense, Jeanne Kirkpatrick at UN and they hired first rate executives themselves.”

Unlike the current imposter in chief who surrounds himself with lackeys...


5 posted on 01/04/2013 11:45:00 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Kaslin
[Reagan] said to Gorbachev, “What’s the difference between a communist and a scientist?” “I don’t know,” responded Gorbachev. Reagan smiled and said, “A scientist would have tried it out on rats first.” I think that’s when we won the Cold War, when Gorbachev realized he wasn’t sitting across from the idiot he’d been told he would be dealing with.

A few years ago, I read a book called Washington Station by a former KGB spy who was given that assignment during the Reagan years. Another signal to the Soviets that they had been beat is when they reviewed blueprints recovered from the trash bins of defense and intelligence agencies in Washington showing technology that they weren't even capable of copying.

Today, the enemy doesn't even have to employ third world cleaning people to recover these blueprints from Washington trashcans. A simple call to one of Obama's handlers will get them delivered.

6 posted on 01/04/2013 11:45:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: nikos1121

ergo...Obama is not a first rate executive.

Not that he had anything in his entire life history to indicate that he was up to the job anyway.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 11:47:36 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Kaslin

bflr


8 posted on 01/04/2013 11:49:21 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Kaslin

Kind of ironic, isn’t it? The article predicts a booming, world-wide middle class. Meanwhile Obama is doing everything he can to abolish the middle class and all its values so he can manipulate envy, greed and covetousness. I guess he’d better pedal faster.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 11:52:12 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: Kaslin

Kind of ironic, isn’t it? The article predicts a booming, world-wide middle class. Meanwhile Obama is doing everything he can to abolish the middle class and all its values so he can manipulate envy, greed and covetousness. I guess he’d better pedal faster.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 11:52:32 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: Kaslin
"Supersonic boom? Perhaps, but geographically lumpy and chronologically lumpy and, given recent events, not centered in the United States."

As our country no longer produces anything but welfare babies, we have nothing to offer this coming "Supersonic boom."

11 posted on 01/04/2013 11:53:38 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Kaslin

Shame that the fall of the USSR is still being touted as “communism’s demise” when it was anything but. Russia is currently being ruled by a man who believes that the fall of the USSR was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century, and he is working fast to recreate the USSR albeit in his own image (he’s currently calling it the Eurasian Union). Red China took on the mantle of communism after the USSR fell, with the help of US liberals, and the European Union continued in its quest to build equally-totalitarian social “democracy”. And of course, Islamic socialism (based on Nazism) was allowed to metastasize into the monster it is today. No, this fight is not over by a long shot, and there are traitors to the USA’s version of republicanism aplenty.


12 posted on 01/04/2013 11:54:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin
"However, human nature has not been abolished. The boom won’t happen everywhere; it will happen in the parts of the world which embrace freedom, and it won’t come easily. Supersonic boom? Perhaps, but geographically lumpy and chronologically lumpy and, given recent events, not centered in the United States.

The author is certainly right about this part, particularly with what is happening to the US under Obama's oppression.

13 posted on 01/04/2013 11:55:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Kaslin; Chode

Thanks for the article. I enjoyed reading Meyer’s historical perspective. I also agree that we are watching the growing wave of a world-wide economic boom, where the world will achieve a level of global prosperity never previously experienced. If you are a Formula 1 racing fan as I am, you see this in the world of auto racing. F1 is staging events in places like Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Abu Dhabi & Shanghai, that 50 years ago were hell holes. Today they are gleaming modern cities. In fact, looking at them and comparing them to our democrat controlled cesspits, I think they’ve passed us by.

And that’s one of the ironies of the article. As more and more people escape poverty globally, in America more and more people slip into its chains. We are not as competitive as we once were by virtually every important yardstick. And because we are so dysfunctional, we are likely to let this opportunity pass us by. I deliberatly chose the word “watching” in the paragraph above, instead of “creating.”

The other irony of the article is that it was Reagan’s victory in the Cold War that created the conditions for this world-wide boom.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 11:57:59 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Vigilanteman
Without a very substantial background support from a system filled to the brim with mechanization, automation, computerization, robotics and improved working methods having the blue prints for the veebelblazter Zx90 will do you no good.

At the same time I am sure Obamugabe and his running dog lackeys have absolutely no understanding of that problem. Fur Shur, none of them ever worked in factories, nor did they train to be mechanical or design engineers.

The Chinese may actually have a numeric edge on us now that they have 8 times as many industrial workers (with their bosses, and a major industrial and design engineering establishment)

Did you realize the Chicoms already have more Christians than we do ~ and in a few years will have more Protestants than the rest of the world combined.

15 posted on 01/04/2013 11:58:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

Btt


16 posted on 01/04/2013 12:02:37 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Kaslin

None of his books are at my public library, or in it’s network system.

The reviews on amazon are decidedly mixed.

For what all that’s worth.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 12:03:35 PM PST by onona (Happy New Year !)
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To: Kaslin
I’m not sure I agree with everything Herb Meyer said in our discussion, which is why I challenged him a little bit on his optimism about the pace, or even the possibility, of Islam’s reconciliation with modernity.

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Indonesia (250 million) and Malaysia (30 million) are two large 'muslim' countries that are doing just fine reconciling islam and the modern world.

18 posted on 01/04/2013 12:10:01 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: livius

“Even here in the US, when you travel outside of any big urban area, you find a depopulated land and some abandoned former urban areas that literally look as if a neutron bomb had dropped on them.”

I live in fairly rural central MA and nothing could be further from the truth. In fact I would say that this applies to urban areas like in Detroit not the suburbs or rural areas.


19 posted on 01/04/2013 12:17:36 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: muawiyah
Did you realize the Chicoms already have more Christians than we do ~ and in a few years will have more Protestants than the rest of the world combined.

My daughter spend a year teaching English in China. Christian churches are officially frowned upon and regular Chinese are not supposed to attend. Nevertheless, she had several Chinese freinds who regularly accompanied her to services in a distant town.

When she asked them if they were worried about official government sanction, they told her they were not. As far as officialdom was concerned, they were just socializing with a foreign friend and improving their English skills.

I think it is entirely possible that it will be Asian Christians, especially Chinese, who play a prominent role in saving America.

20 posted on 01/04/2013 12:19:19 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Kaslin

bump!


21 posted on 01/04/2013 12:22:10 PM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

Was this before or after we were $17T in debt?


22 posted on 01/04/2013 12:24:28 PM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Kaslin
The first rule of organizations is that first-rate executives hire first-rate executives. President Reagan was a first-rate executive and he brought in a varsity team: Bill Casey, at the CIA, Cap Weinberger at defense, Jeanne Kirkpatrick at UN and they hired first rate executives themselves.

{sigh} There were giants in those days.

23 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:29 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Have you been to Roxbury, in Boston?


24 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:05 PM PST by expat2
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To: Albion Wilde
Kind of ironic, isn’t it? The article predicts a booming, world-wide middle class.

Much of the world, namely large parts of Asia, may boom while American declines. Obama is simply doing everything possible to prevent us from taking advantage of this huge new pool of consumers. The world may very well just pass us by. In not so many years America's entrepreneur's and producers may simple leave for places that offer better opportunity. This is already happening to some extent, the trend will probably rapidly increase.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 12:32:23 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Kaslin
When I see a chief executive who’s buried in paperwork at ten o’clock every night, that guy doesn’t have a grip on it. The CEO should be sitting there with his feet up on the desk thinking, figuring out strategically what to do next.

I once saw this idea explained as the difference between officers and noncoms in the military.

It's the noncom's job to implement decisions that have been made, it's the officer's job to decide what needs to be done next.

If the officer is micro-managing the implementation of decisions he's already made, he can't do the job he really needs to do.

26 posted on 01/04/2013 12:33:47 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin
The boom won’t happen everywhere; it will happen in the parts of the world which embrace freedom

Right... This is one the USA will be sitting out... freedom isn't "in" anymore.

27 posted on 01/04/2013 12:41:58 PM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: expat2

Noooooooo! ...and I never will either!


28 posted on 01/04/2013 12:43:57 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Longbow1969
Much of the world, namely large parts of Asia, may boom while American declines

This is going on as we speak.

Remember how the Dems decried a "uni-polar world" after the Berlin Wall fell? They couldn't stand it that we were now the sole superpower.

Well, we've got the "bi-polar world" now again under Dear Leader. He's doing everything he can to put the brakes on us while the rest of the world races forward.

29 posted on 01/04/2013 12:50:44 PM PST by what's up
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To: TheRhinelander

You’re still in the NE corridor, the Boston burbs and a place where people from NYC and Boston have vacation homes.

Go to Upstate NY and it’s a wasteland; go to the Northern Midwest, and you’ll only see the big cities and their immediate suburbs. But even a lot of these, including Detroit, are at about 50% of their former populations, and once you get beyond the MW cities, you’re not going to see much of anything for over a thousand miles.

There were never huge population centers in most places outside of the NE corridor and the West Coast, but now the wide open spaces probably haven’t been this wide open in at least 60 years.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 12:51:07 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Sounds perfect to me. People bug me.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 12:55:12 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Cyber Liberty
There were giants in those days.

Indeed.

32 posted on 01/04/2013 1:00:10 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn)
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To: Kaslin

Great interview! Thanks.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 1:17:21 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Olog-hai
Shame that the fall of the USSR is still being touted as “communism’s demise” when it was anything but. Russia is currently being ruled by a man who believes that the fall of the USSR was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century, and he is working fast to recreate the USSR albeit in his own image (he’s currently calling it the Eurasian Union).
Red China took on the mantle of communism after the USSR fell, with the help of US liberals, and
the European Union continued in its quest to build equally-totalitarian social “democracy”.
And of course, Islamic socialism (based on Nazism) was allowed to metastasize into the monster it is today. No, this fight is not over by a long shot, and there are traitors to the USA’s version of republicanism aplenty.>


Excellent observations.
34 posted on 01/04/2013 1:19:28 PM PST by khelus
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To: onona
None of his books are at my public library, or in it’s network system.

The reviews on amazon are decidedly mixed.

For what all that’s worth.

So far, it sounds like a ringing endorsement. . . That is to say, I believe the best explanation is that Herb is really, really smart and a great patriot, and the sources you mention are largely really, really ignorant, and are too neurotic and angry to love their country.

I watched his DVD, The Siege of Western Civilization. It's excellent.

35 posted on 01/04/2013 1:40:29 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Olog-hai

Russia is not particularly democratic or rule of law based, but it’s also not particularly Communist.

IMO China is no longer Communist in any particularly logical meaning of the term. Their present system actually has a lot more in common with their 3000 year history of government by mandarins, with the Party members as the new mandarins.

And it’s just silly to call European social democracy “totalitarian.” I’m no fan of the system, and I don’t think its sustainable, but it isn’t totalitarian.

Not every undesirable form of government is Communist.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 1:43:04 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: livius
The middle class threatens his bizarre Marxist ideology, which is not based on rising prosperity but on the gulf between the haves and the have-nots.

Perhaps that explains his enthusiasm for Islamism and jihadism: He recognizes in Islam and jihad, in common with Winston Churchill, one of the great engines of impoverishment in world history.

I think that in everything he does, Obama consciously fosters and accentuates poverty, by design.

37 posted on 01/04/2013 2:00:39 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
Until we asked ‘can the Soviet Economy be sustained?’, nobody was looking in that direction.

Are the Russians looking in this direction concerning the US?

38 posted on 01/04/2013 2:05:21 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Kaslin

Hard for me to read articles like this. How I miss the Gipper and how far we have fallen from being that shining city upon the hill.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 2:23:09 PM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s called “miserification.” You make them miserable so that then they’re ready to accept anything you say.

That’s one of the reasons that all Communist takeovers have first killed the people who were actually helping the poor. This was true in Latin America (where the Sendero Luminoso, FARC, etc. always attacked aid workers, particularly those from Catholic or local groups) and in Europe as well. When the Communists took over in Spain, some of the first people they put to death were the priests, religious and laypeople who were running schools and cooperative programs in poor neighborhoods.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 2:51:15 PM PST by livius
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To: henkster
100%... F1 showcases the the fastest growing economies on the planet
41 posted on 01/04/2013 3:16:18 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kaslin
The key to it is to know what you’re looking for in order to find it.

So then, applying that to our new Evil Emperor, what are the vulnerabilities we have been overlooking, and how can we exploit them? But to spot a vulnerability, we must, like Reagan, develop a theory of what to look for, and if it is confirmed, we run with it. So what natural weaknesses of the left could we predict will unfold as they attempt to consolidate power, and of those, which could best be used to effectively push the left into a long-term remission?

42 posted on 01/04/2013 3:38:29 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: nikos1121

Yep, Obama is a conman, he failed the first debate for a reason, he has no clue, he has others do things for him while he reaps the material rewards, this explains Bengahzi, and the economy, he isn’t interested, he wants others to deal with issues, not him, he doesn’t care, he’s off to Hawaii and golf!


43 posted on 01/04/2013 4:59:14 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you for posting an article worth many readings and reflections. Number one, how blessed we were to have Ronald Reagan as one of our presidents.


44 posted on 01/04/2013 7:37:58 PM PST by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Obama will not be around for ever—a doubt he will last three more years.


45 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:45 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Sherman Logan; Olog-hai

“Russia is not particularly democratic or rule of law based, but it’s also not particularly Communist.”

True that. however, it’s still probably at least somewhat statist.

“IMO China is no longer Communist in any particularly logical meaning of the term. Their present system actually has a lot more in common with their 3000 year history of government by mandarins, with the Party members as the new mandarins.”

IMO, maybe the Chinese system is basically a hybrid of Communism and Mandarinism. who can say?

“And it’s just silly to call European social democracy “totalitarian.” I’m no fan of the system, and I don’t think its sustainable, but it isn’t totalitarian.”

Maybe Olog meant political correctness, which is a bit on the totalitarian side.


46 posted on 01/04/2013 11:04:45 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: Sherman Logan

I did not say that Russia was reverting to communism; if it were, then Putin would have supported his old CPR. No, it’s turning into something else, while unlike in many ways, is going to be alike in all the bad ways. The USSR was, after all, the old Russian Empire with a different political/economic system, and Putin supporters both within and outside Russia are saying that it is “natural” for Russia to have an empire.

You don’t remember when Khrushchev mentioned “different paths” to either socialism or communism? China is following that same way of thinking. Unless the CPC has relinquished political control, never mind completely reversing its stance on religion(s), China is still communist. The CPC considers itself the vanguard for world socialism. They are highly involved in foreign businesses that invest in their country and have the final say on their activities. (The concept of “state capital” is right out of the Manifesto too.)

And if you think that it is silly to call social democracy “totalitarian”, then perhaps your tenure on FR is wasted? because WADR, that is not a very conservative (or even libertarian for that matter) outlook. All it takes is looking at the constitutions of social democracies and comparing with the USSR’s constitution. The EU is currently the largest expression of social democracy transforming into pure socialism—their central government is a pseudodemocracy with no separation of powers at the legislative level, where the unelected European Commission (nominally an executive body) has sole legislative initiative plus power to make those bills they create into law, and the elected (formerly unelected) European Parliament is merely a rubber stamp.


47 posted on 01/05/2013 4:18:07 AM PST by Olog-hai
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