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Oregon lawmakers considering per-mile tax for some drivers (no gas purchased = no loot collected)
KPTV ^ | 1/04/13

Posted on 01/04/2013 7:22:55 PM PST by Libloather

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) - Fuel-efficient cars are designed to save people money on gas, but those who drive them could soon start paying a mileage tax.

The government has been collecting taxes at the pump to pay for building and fixing roads for years, but drivers of electric cars avoid the gas tax because they don't fuel up.

State legislators are looking at adding a tax for cars that get at least 55 miles per gallon, with the money going toward state roads. Some Portland residents say area roads could use the help.

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Do clown cars really weigh that much? Maybe charge by the pound.
1 posted on 01/04/2013 7:23:10 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
State legislators are looking at adding a tax for cars that get at least 55 miles per gallon

Doesn't that interfere with their "green" social engineering?

2 posted on 01/04/2013 7:28:15 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Libloather

How do they know how far you’ve gone? Are we talking more toll booths or tracking devices? If I know government, they’re working on the latter.


3 posted on 01/04/2013 7:29:05 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Libloather

GAH! When are these people going to stop?! We are getting bad ideas from the Leftist control freaks at the rate of about ten per hour.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 7:30:29 PM PST by madison10
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To: Libloather

I’m sure the loons in Portland and Eugene will be more than happy to pay. That’s what all the libs and rinos advocate for after all.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 7:31:54 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: BenLurkin

We are now dealing with addict behavior

Doesn’t matter consequences or hypocracy just more and more tax revenue to feed their addiction


6 posted on 01/04/2013 7:31:57 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Libloather

I love that idea, we should raise taxes on all green products like solar panels too

Here in Maryland if you put solar panels on your house the taxpayers pay for half of them, and the other consumers of electric who don’t have them pay for the electric you need that the panels dont produce like at night by mandate.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 7:32:30 PM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: Libloather

And once that’s in place, they’ll simply add a five-word clause and amend the statute to include gasoline-powered vehicles.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 7:34:05 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Tublecane

The devices are available off the shelf today. Made right here in Georgia, USA.

Huge lobbying effort by the company for this very thing. They are already OEM black box and gps suppliers for several European car makers. Europe hasn’t started the per mile tax thing.......yet.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 7:34:05 PM PST by wrench
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To: sickoflibs
Here in Maryland...

My deepest sympathies.

10 posted on 01/04/2013 7:36:10 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Libloather

Going to start a new black market I see. These rats are sure smart!


11 posted on 01/04/2013 7:36:27 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: BenLurkin
Wash state just added a $100 annual tax on non-gasoline cars (seeing as they pay no tax at he gas pump).

So they tell us to drive less or more efficiently and we do. Now they complain about lower tax revs???

What next? Telling us to smoke again because they are collecting lower tobacco tax revs?

Genius. Pure genius.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 7:40:59 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: wrench

Devices may be available, but when I say working on it I more mean getting around the Fourth amendment. Or does that one count anymore?

By the way, I assume even if the devices are installed at the factory it’ll be too easy for drivers to interfere with them. Traffic cameras don’t seem up to the job. I imagine roaming robot spy planes.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 7:42:04 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Libloather
From OREGONLIVE.COM:

[Less than 1,000 of Oregon's 3.2 million passenger vehicles are currently plug-in hybrid or electric. By 2021, however, the number is expected to spike to 75,000, said Whitty.]

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/04/oregons_electric_car_owners_sh.html

14 posted on 01/04/2013 7:43:13 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: sickoflibs

It is truly stupid. My power company can buy clean and reliable power anytime they need to for about 4 cents per kWh. Buying solar from a homeowner costs them retail price, about 12 cents, it’s unreliable and not available when it is actually needed (evening hours).


15 posted on 01/04/2013 7:43:31 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: OldPossum
RE :”Here in Maryland...
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My deepest sympathies.”

My experiences here turned me against uncontrolled Housing development,

Howard county SW of Balt used to be white and very conservative Republican as late as say ~2000. The ever increasing gov spending around DC with unrestrained housing development and massive immigration Balkan-nized the county and turned it solid Dem, taxes and regulations followed. And ironically wiping out millions of trees in the process they traded that for enslaving us in environmental regulations and taxes.
Now it is hopeless.

And you obviously know some about what happened at the state level.

16 posted on 01/04/2013 7:46:50 PM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: Libloather
Find out where the existing gas tax money is being spent and you'll know why your roads need repair. I would be surprised if state representatives are not stealing road tax money to use for more important projects, like buying votes. Cars and trucks are evil don't you know.
17 posted on 01/04/2013 7:48:27 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Libloather

A mileage tax is a great idea, as long as they eliminate the gasoline tax.


18 posted on 01/04/2013 7:50:24 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: llevrok
So they tell us to drive less or more efficiently and we do. Now they complain about lower tax revs???

When our own started "free" recycling, the amount of revenue the trash company collected dropped a huge amount. People recycled everything they could. Didn't take long before rates for the now-puny garbage cans shot up to compensate.

Government is chock-full of marketing geniuses who know all about human behavior and incentives.

19 posted on 01/04/2013 7:51:16 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Libloather
What's the point of having fuel efficient car if you have to pay per mile? Might as well stick with the Hummer then.
What's next, paying the utility the going tax rate for juice from your solar panels or the water from your own well?
They would do that. Anything that moves, tax it.

20 posted on 01/04/2013 7:51:39 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Libloather

The database is being assembled.

In Pennsylvania drivers are requested to submit the odomoter reading when renewing tags (only for mail-in at this point, not through the DOT on-line services) and safety inspection mechanics record the odometer onto a paper ledger.

In counties where emission inspection is required the odometer reading is digitally transmitted to the DOT as part of the testing process.

Grab your ankles—it’s coming!


21 posted on 01/04/2013 7:52:51 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: palmer
RE :”It is truly stupid. My power company can buy clean and reliable power anytime they need to for about 4 cents per kWh. Buying solar from a homeowner costs them retail price, about 12 cents, it’s unreliable and not available when it is actually needed (evening hours).”

You may have missed the point.

Overall they use MORE than the solar energy they generate even if they sell some during peak summer daylight hours.
So they have to net buy some electric off the grid.

But the state mandates that the power company gives the solar panel owners $$$ so they pay zero for it.
You know where the companies get the $$. The goal is to use our $$$ to lure us into buying them, O Malley has 2016 plans.

22 posted on 01/04/2013 7:54:30 PM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: llevrok

Nothing more than the law of unintended consequences at work. First you listen to long nose busybodies concerned with “environmental destruction” by us humans, and laws are changed because they demand it, and what do you know, ten years later when all the vehicles get more reasonable fuel mileage, states start to notice that their fuel tax revenue has taken a pretty big hit. Of course no one factored in an economy on the fritz, people driving less, and the better fuel economy.

If I read the tea leaves correctly, all states have started to notice, and so the move to charge for travel on the highways, rather than the arbitrary gasoline tax. Going to be a tough sell I think, but then I’ve been surprised many times of late.


23 posted on 01/04/2013 7:59:10 PM PST by wita
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To: Libloather

Public policy lesson 101:

Most highway construction and maintenance funding comes from “liquid fuels taxes”.

If vehicles consume less liquid fuels there is less revenue, but their useage/damage does not decrease.

The money must be made up some way, some how.

Driving a big azz vehicle, I don’t want to “subsidize” the Prius fleet. Note that most Priuses sport Ø bumper stickers—so they are “takers” very content with that status quo.

When mileage based road taxes were first proposed in my state I protested to my assemblyman that many of my neighbors live back 1/4 to 1/2 mile or longer private lanes; therefore much of their annual mileage is on their own private property.

He responeded—correctly—that with liquid fuels taxation they are being taxed on fuel that will never benefit them directly. Same difference.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 8:04:15 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Libloather.
Fuel-efficient cars are designed to save people money on gas, but those who drive them could soon start paying a mileage tax. The government has been collecting taxes at the pump to pay for building and fixing roads for years, but drivers of electric cars avoid the gas tax because they don't fuel up. State legislators are looking at adding a tax for cars that get at least 55 miles per gallon, with the money going toward state roads.
So, Oregon, huh? I don't suppose anyone at this "news" source knows the party affiliation of this great idea?!?


25 posted on 01/04/2013 8:12:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Libloather

Any scheme that involves GPS trackers to record mileage will not be reliable but will destroy privacy of travel.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 8:20:11 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: llevrok
What next? Telling us to smoke again because they are collecting lower tobacco tax revs?

They'll tax you for breathing second/third/fourth hand smoke.

Then they'll charge an import tax because sensors near your home measured pollutants that originated in factories in China.

27 posted on 01/04/2013 8:23:47 PM PST by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: sickoflibs

i know they use more, on a cloudy day in particular they probably use 90 or 95% net power from the grid. But if they are truly paying zero for their electric bill as you say, then they are getting 90% free power on those cloudy days. That is beyond ridiculous, it is criminal, mostly because I know the company that leases the systems is cleaning up on subsidies and profit.


28 posted on 01/04/2013 8:26:54 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Libloather

This looks like one of those rare liberals screwing liberals occasions where its just fun to watch.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 8:27:40 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Tublecane

Just wait until they use the tracking devices to issue you end of the year speeding tickets.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 8:30:23 PM PST by Duck Fan
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To: palmer
RE :”i know they use more, on a cloudy day in particular they probably use 90 or 95% net power from the grid. But if they are truly paying zero for their electric bill as you say, then they are getting 90% free power on those cloudy days. That is beyond ridiculous, it is criminal, mostly because I know the company that leases the systems is cleaning up on subsidies and profit.”

My neighbor says he uses more power NET than he generates but BGE pays him $3K a year just for having solar panels.

Criminal??? Martin O Malley.

31 posted on 01/04/2013 8:30:26 PM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: Zhang Fei

Wow... you are in favor of a tax where your every move is taxed? Talk about big brother interfering in your life. You must be kidding?


32 posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:06 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Tublecane

Pay by the mile is a reality on “express” toll lanes on several Atlanta interstates. They are using transponders right now, and compliance doesn’t seem to be an issue. Billing is automatic to your credit card.

The statewide thing will be a combo GPS and transponder system that periodically reports miles driven since the last data collection point.

I am not in this field, but am good friends with someone who is.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 8:36:24 PM PST by wrench
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To: lightman

Sucks doesn’t it, bastards try that crap in Texas will have to have a team of state workers (convicts) walking the ditches looking for electronic tracking devices. In west Texas they will have to fund state workers (convicts) to scrape horse crap off the roads. We really don’t take well to Feds and their rules.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 8:37:50 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: BitWielder1

“or the water from your own well”

I live in Washington state. There is presently an effort to install meters on our privately owned water wells.... and charge me for my own water.

I paid to put the well in. I have lived at this property for 30 years and now these communists want to charge me for my own damn water.

It’s never going to stop....


35 posted on 01/04/2013 8:40:17 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113

And will they pay to replace it if it goes dry?

BWHAHAHAHAHA


36 posted on 01/04/2013 8:42:48 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: morphing libertarian
"We are now dealing with addict behavior"

I posted the same comment on another thread about a minute ago. The ONLY thing that is under our complete control is how much of our money we give to grow the beast. Everything else requires others to agree, allow, participate, lead, etc. There are many ways to legally reduce how much goes to these crooks.

37 posted on 01/04/2013 8:43:56 PM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Libloather
Oregon totalitarians considering more mandates...

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

T.E.A.

38 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:56 PM PST by PGalt
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To: uncommonsense

I live in cal where the state legislature is only being outdone by the Feds.

We pay no income tax with our deductions.

However this year “we” voted for numerous tax increases. Trying to get those down. Unfortunately most in cal don’t share your thinking.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:15 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: FoxInSocks

I don’t have a problem with this at all, on ALL vehicles including government vehicles, so long as it is absolutely impossible to acquire time/location information from those boxes. The gas taxes were supposed to cover road building, repair, and so on, and alternative fuel vehicles are getting a free ride. So, require the boxes, and eliminate the gasoline taxes.

LIKE, THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN...!

We all know what the three biggest lies are. But...there is a fourth...a government “temporary tax” or “adjustment”.

Ask anyone from the Chicago area about the toll roads in the Chicago area, that were going to be “paid off” many years ago...now, they will be paid off just a few days short of the maximum entropy of the Universe.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:36 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Libloather; Grampa Dave; Liz; AuntB; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; forester; BOBTHENAILER
Do NOT let this camel get it's nose under the tent!!!

This starts like all the other new taxes by taxing a small constituentcy and then balloons to ensnare the rest of the public in something that will give the government power to monitor your movements and further, will hit people entrepreneurs who make their livings in cars or trucks with a huge economic bite!!!

41 posted on 01/04/2013 9:24:56 PM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: Libloather; Grampa Dave; tubebender; forester; NormsRevenge; Liz; AuntB; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Again! This is leading toward the UN Agenda 21's push toward the mis-named "Smart Growth" to slow down urban sprawl by implementing a "commuter tax" that also kills the American dream of a sprawling estate/home in the country!!!

This will kill a whole bunch of GANG-GREEN birds with just one gall stone!!!

It's also a continuation of the wretched "War on the West" since we don't wish to crowd into urban compaction with miserable mass transit, walking commutes in deep blue cities and as they put it... "getting America back on it's feet!"

42 posted on 01/04/2013 9:35:47 PM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: BitWielder1
Anything that moves, tax it. And many things that don't move too. For instance, in the 20 years I've lived in my house, it hasn't moved an inch and though it has been paid for for about 10 years, I still don't "own" own it.
43 posted on 01/04/2013 9:39:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: lightman; Grampa Dave; tubebender; forester; Liz; AuntB; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Don't laugh!!! The big blue states are already working on a tax on those who flee their extreme revenue sucking like New York City and State already have in place!

CA is already trying to make it a reality because they are in a free-fall brought on by MonuMental GovernMental EnvironMental squandering of money!!!

Yes, they've been angling at metering and taxing our private wells here in CA, as well. They've grown fiendish, I tell ya!!!

44 posted on 01/04/2013 9:46:32 PM PST by SierraWasp (Conservative, constitutional & capitalistic thinking is the last refuge from pussy liberal thought!!)
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To: antceecee
Wow... you are in favor of a tax where your every move is taxed? Talk about big brother interfering in your life. You must be kidding?

A mileage tax is a tax levied for road usage. It would be the closest thing we have to a tax that actually charges users for the wear-and-tear on roads they are directly responsible for. The major problem with this kind of scheme is administrative expenses. Which is why an unfair flat tax regardless of mileage on electric vehicles is likely to be the "solution".

45 posted on 01/04/2013 9:53:16 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Libloather

I don’t think they are in any way serious about “Global Warming”. The carbon tax is simply another excuse to tax, and now the per mile tax is to grab those who evade that tax.


46 posted on 01/04/2013 10:26:20 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Libloather
They should charge the asshole bike riders. They are the ones who are using the roads without paying for them.
47 posted on 01/04/2013 10:33:35 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: Zhang Fei

Actually we already are taxed on our use of the roads via gasoline taxes... which are pretty much exorbitant and never are used to repair roads. Mileage taxes begin to invade privacy by collecting individual data... erodes liberty. Not a conservative solution at all. Again.. Wow... I hope you are kidding.


48 posted on 01/04/2013 10:53:02 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: madison10

Yes!!! a billion dollar tax on those who sponsor more taxes or life in jail for thier familes


49 posted on 01/04/2013 11:13:29 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: antceecee; Zhang Fei

would you tax the electric vehicles at the charging station, like at the gas pump?


50 posted on 01/04/2013 11:58:52 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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