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Feinstein's New Gun-Ban Bill Likely to be Introduced January 22
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Posted on 01/05/2013 4:33:51 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Contact your members of Congress and urge them to oppose any "assault weapon" or magazine ban

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)--author of the federal "assault weapon" and "large" ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004--has said for weeks that she will soon introduce an even more restrictive bill. Leaders in the U.S. Senate have stated that January 22 will be the first day on which new Senate legislation can be proposed, so that is the most likely date for the new, sweeping legislation to be introduced.

On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, "I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation" and "It will be carefully focused." Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein's website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of "assault weapon" that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein's new bill are as follows:

(Excerpt) Read more at nraila.org ...


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If you are not a member of the NRA, you need to join today. Sign up your wife, children. There is strength in numbers.
1 posted on 01/05/2013 4:34:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

People need to read this post I found on another forum and think a little about the possibilities:

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I remember a time, back in 1986 (ah, what innocent times they were) when lulled into happy gun buying days that we were awash in “assault” weapons. So many types and models to pick from, it was simply grand! And one could buy a parts kit, do your paperwork and POOF, you had a real select-fire toy with the blessing of Uncle Sam.

But then a dark cloud came: the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA). {Hey, on PAFOA talking about FOPA, life is funny} Manufacturers and parts kit sellers were scared, but most of us were unaware (internet, where?). The law was passed, a deadline for paperwork set, and by the time we heard of it, it was too late. Those who knew, and had plenty of stock, packed it in deep and didn’t talk. They knew what they had, knew it was great: knew the future prices they would reap. 30 days was all we had, to get papers together or be very sad.

Shortly after the law had passed, there came a knocking and it was steadfast. “Where’s the parts kits? Where’s the tubes? We know you were buying STENS, we’re not rubes!” The agents were cranky and I was getting hot. “How did you find me & what’s this about?” I blurted out, surprised and startled to be found out. “We have a list, your names on it. We went to all the places who’ve sold the parts, got a court order and finding you people out. So hand over the parts, the guns and the tubes, or your coming with us with some ‘splain to do.”

Flustered and miffed at all of this shi*, I told them to wait and listen to this: “What do you take me as a fool? I wear a uniform just like you, but mine is green and yours is blue. You changed the laws and I wasn’t even here, I was in Germany drinking beer! Sure, I bought some junky old gun parts, paid real cheap to some old farts. But have them no more, gone they are, sold and foregotten to some other soldier in a German bar.” And so thursting a copy of my Orders in his paw, I bid the Agents to go back to their car. Went away they did, but it bothers me still, to this day it does. It was the beast I saw, a government to fear. I know now that they will hunt us down, even if it takes them years.

The moral of the story is plainly clear: “Uncle” isn’t your relative and he isn’t dear. He’s Big Brother and a bad mother and something to fear. Times have changed since ‘86: “Uncle” is bolder, colder and now carries the big stick of Homeland Security to hit you with. I was serving this country, and was easily found: I did nothing wrong but they still hunted me down. Be cautious and aware, for this is a new age: everything you bought, they already know about. Should the laws change, they’ll be at your door, wanting to know if you have your stuff anymore.

“What will we do, what will we do?” To that question I have no clue. The answer is not up to me.....it’s up to YOU...

http://forum.pafoa.org/national-11/197700-life-after-assault-weapons-ban-page-2.html


2 posted on 01/05/2013 4:47:32 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’ve asked the AMs to remove my identical post, from 7:37:09 AM, in Breaking News and consolidate everything here. Great minds...


3 posted on 01/05/2013 4:51:01 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Red in Blue PA

This is political posturing, the bill is dead before introduction.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 4:52:51 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ironic that this will be introduced on the same day that the government authorized the murder of 52 million (and counting) babies.

Now they want to criminalize us. Or what, kill us too?


5 posted on 01/05/2013 4:53:06 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The NRA has sent out a membership drive letter to me and I immediately shredded it.

The Gun Owners of America Organization is out there as an alternative.

The NRA is affiliated and associated with the politcal machine in Washington.

This very threatening legislation should be totally repudiated by the Republicans, but in the spirit of the recent “imperfect deal” they will likely cave in on some of Feinstein’s ideas to give us another “imperfect deal.”

Will the NRA be part of that ‘imperfect deal’ that is likely to come???????


6 posted on 01/05/2013 4:54:58 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Personally, I will not cower or cave. I will not bury what I have. When they come to my door, I will tell them to come back with a warrant. When they come with the warrant, I’ll refuse to open the safe and they’ll have to cut out the foundation of my home to take it away.

There’s a lot of rhetoric and hyperbole in all of this. Come what may, I’ll say it again: My soul is prepared. I will fight for my freedom, even if it means a swift death at the hands of Obama’s storm troopers. I will not live on my knees.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 4:55:06 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This is what I sent Senator Coats and Congressman Young of IN:

http://babylonscovertwar.com/OSR/Opinion/Opinion%20on%20Gun%20Laws%20and%20the%20Fiscal%20Cliff%2030%20DEC%202012.docx

I changed the last paragraph - a few sentences to match who I was writing to - but nonetheless - it is what I sent them. Young replied back - but has not taken a stand.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2974832/posts

I posted it here as well - and about 300 people downloaded from my website:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974377/posts

I think they want to get this in before the emotion wears out and the logic comes into play...lovely!


8 posted on 01/05/2013 4:55:24 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another Free’per posted this yesterday:

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

pretty good read...


9 posted on 01/05/2013 4:58:06 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I have been a member of the NRA for all of my life... I am a member of Gun Owners of America and at the invitation of one of my best friends... I joined Jews For The Preservation of Firearms (JPFO) and I am not even Jewish!

I can safely say that Roger Wicker, Thad Cochran and Stephen Palazzo of Mississippi will NEVER vote for this Nazi/communist/islamic plan to disarm Americans. Hey feinswine... you will NEVER get them... you may however be personally held responsible for another Civil War and everything that those charges entail.

LLS

10 posted on 01/05/2013 5:05:58 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Nextrush

Join both the NRA and the GOA. I reupped both this past week.

With the cost so low, why not simply join both, as there is strength in numbers.

And you can have your opinions, but during this time of Treason STFU. I place anyone who is picking fights with the good guys in the same category as the enemy at this point. And I am not the only one.


11 posted on 01/05/2013 5:08:35 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Graybeard58
"This is political posturing, the bill is dead before introduction."

In the current environment and with a cowering GOP, I wouldn't put anything from the left as automatically DOA. Also, Obama is quite capable of adopting ideas from this legislation and implementing many of them by executive action and enforced by DHS and ATF. His corrupt DOJ will also lead the attack.

12 posted on 01/05/2013 5:12:43 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Red in Blue PA

More proof of the stupidity of the 17th amendment.

The Senate is now almost exclusively the source of all hyper-overreactive legislation. It is what the House was supposed to be, on steroids.

No branch of government now performs the intended function of the original Senate, as crafted under the Constitution.

The Senate was SUPPOSED to be a conservative anchor to a populist, and likely overreactive House. Now look at it. The crazy progressives control the Senate, and it is left to the House to be more conservative.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 5:13:21 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Red in Blue PA
It seems to me that the government is in quite the pickle. Some time ago, they had me raise my right hand, and swore me to support and defend the Constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to it. There are millions of people similarly situated.

If they now attack the very Constitution they have sworn me to uphold, have they not made their own beds? Am I not bound to ensure they sleep in those beds?

14 posted on 01/05/2013 5:18:16 AM PST by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Nextrush
The NRA has changed... they are in full battle mode now... and you can be members of both organizations. I love the GOA!!! Join all of them. You want to belong to an organization that is as rabid about our rights as you and I are... join the JPFO Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms... you do NOT have to be Jewish to join... I am not... but they are calling these creatures Nazis on their homepage!!!

http://jpfo.org/

Whatever any of you do... resist tyranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD bless us all.

LLS

15 posted on 01/05/2013 5:22:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: rarestia

I will stand with you my brother... we are MILLIONS!

LLS


16 posted on 01/05/2013 5:24:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The moral of the story is plainly clear: “Uncle” isn’t your relative and he isn’t dear. He’s Big Brother and a bad mother and something to fear.

In a time of lawlessness, the most useless thing next to a lawyer is a politician.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 5:27:54 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
Good point

The socialist goons ruined the Constitution with the 17th and the 16th(which allowed the income tax). The income tax is where the government got most of its power (money and ability to take our property our income , the creation of the IRS). We'd be a totally different country , much freer , no income tax, much more prosperous without those 2 amendments.

18 posted on 01/05/2013 5:34:58 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I am sorry you are angry.

But the paradigm has changed.

We are in an escalating fiscal decline that has been caused by business as usual politics.

Over the years both the NRA and the National Right To Life Committee, a group I used to support big time, have been lobbying in Washington on the right side of their respective issues creating relationships with the pork barrel politicians who have helped us get to where we are today 16 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT AND COUNTING....

Case in point, the late Democrat Congressman Jack Murtha, who went so far as to build an airport with taxpayer money and national debt in Johnstown, Pennsylvania among other pork barrel goodies.

He ran for re-election year after year, winning with NRA and NRL support.

THE FINANCIAL ISSUE IS AT THE TOP OF THE HEAP RIGHT NOW....

The Second Amendment is important, I want no part of the Feinstein bill, but I can’t even guarantee that I would support someone who votes against it because aside from 16 of the Republicans down there the other day, everyone else thinks Boehner the higher tax deal maker, is a good leader.

Anyone who gets drawn into the NRA’s web will be emotionalized to write congressman, then support them because they opposed the Feinstein bill.

I think 90 plus percent of them need to be run out of there right now.

Its a new world out there right now and I for one am not going to be emotionalized on an issue like the Second Amendment to end up voting to re-elect the business as usual politicians who raise taxes and probably debt in a few months.

Conservatives and Patriots like me have woken up to the fact that our pants have been pulled down and we have been .....ed over and over again by emotional political issues on the side while more liberalism, bigger government, higher taxes and crushing debt are imposed on us by business as usual Republican and Democrat pols.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 5:44:12 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Red in Blue PA
On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, "I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation" and "It will be carefully focused." Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

The NRA, Republicans and real conservatives need to start using the same techniques as the Rats do. The most common one is personally attacking a person's intelligence. Let's begin with Feinstein's research technique of personally looking at pictures of guns because she is so F'ing stupid that she can't read. In particular, she can't read our constitution.

20 posted on 01/05/2013 5:48:20 AM PST by ConservativeInPA
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To: Red in Blue PA
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Fienstien, the news media.

What is the common denominator here? they are all democrats.

democrats want to make the government all powerful and at the same time take every one of our individual rights and freedom. Democrats want the government to own everything ( that's called socialism).Everything democrats do is to empower government and at the same time dis-empower the individual. the individual is small and already powerless and the government is so huge and powerful and idiot democrats think the government needs to be made bigger and more powerful. wtf is wrong with these idiots?

When will we realize that the threat to our freedom and survival is the democrat party?

21 posted on 01/05/2013 5:57:39 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Feinstein's New Gun-Ban Bill Likely to be Introduced January 22

Will that be enough time for gun owners to go back to sleep? Maybe most, but not me, and I suspect most FReeper gun owners will still be on the case, too.

If we can't defeat this, the DAY Obama signs this tyranny has to be the first day of the civil war. This MUST be the line, not in the sand, but etched in the rock. Here, and no farther.

22 posted on 01/05/2013 6:35:58 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: Red in Blue PA
If you are not a member of the NRA, you need to join today. Sign up your wife, children. There is strength in numbers

OK.

I let my membership lapse last year, and I just re-upped for five years. I get it.

Can you tell me how to stop the telemarketers? This is the ONLY organization that I belong to that abuses me and my household with phone calls, and they do it a lot.

23 posted on 01/05/2013 6:42:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Joining NRA and GOAL.

Now my question, and forgive me if it’s dumb, but I ran out of coffee.
Bills are introduced in the House,then to Senate, then either back to house for reconciliation or to a President who signs or vetoes.

How can this fat hog introduce a bill?


24 posted on 01/05/2013 6:42:55 AM PST by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Magazine ban? Let’s see, now - Newsweek, Time, Mother Jones, The Nation.


25 posted on 01/05/2013 6:43:40 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Interesting article, also questions what McCain will do

WHETHER THE SEMI-AUTOMATIC BAN PASSES MAY DEPEND ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SENATE RULES

26 posted on 01/05/2013 7:11:10 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Graybeard58

Really!!And this so, “WHY”!!!


27 posted on 01/05/2013 7:17:48 AM PST by ontap
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s a Civil War V 2.0 bill.


28 posted on 01/05/2013 7:24:07 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The shooter in CT was a Satanist. Curtail Satanists' First Amendment Rights for the Children!)
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To: theDentist

Any spending bills must originate in the House.....others can originate from the senate.


29 posted on 01/05/2013 7:24:50 AM PST by ontap
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To: ontap

Thanks!!


30 posted on 01/05/2013 7:30:58 AM PST by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Red in Blue PA
require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act

Good luck with that. Canada tried mandatory registration of long-guns, and it was a complete and total failure.

The Canadian Firearms Registry was part of the Firearms Act. The registration portion of the Firearms Act was implemented in 1995.(1)

The net annual operating cost of the program was originally estimated to be $2 million. Its' reported cost for the 2010-2011 fiscal year was $66.4 million.(2)

The majority of Canadians refused to register their rifles. Ultimately, less than 30% of the long-guns in Canada were ever registered.(3)

In 2012, the Canadian government passed legislation, which repealed the requirement for registration of long-guns.

(1) Implementing the Firearms Act
(2) RCMP Program Evaluation Feb 2010 PDF
(3) LUFA: Licencing and Registration Non-Compliance

Even liberals in the Canadian government admit the long-gun registry was a dismal failure, including the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau:

Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure'
"But there are better ways of keeping us safe than that registry which is, has been removed," Trudeau said.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 7:31:34 AM PST by holymoly (Molon labe, punks.)
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To: BCW

To slightly mis-use Mark Levin’s summary quote about the Bill of Rights, and apply it specifically to the Second Amendment:

“This is not theirs to take or discard. This is your property. This is your heritage. This is your protection.”


32 posted on 01/05/2013 7:39:32 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
If they let them confiscate our guns, we will deserve it when they kill us.

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33 posted on 01/05/2013 7:41:16 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The NRA board will vote to compromise and we’ll end up with some liberty restricting gun control bill with NRA approval.


34 posted on 01/05/2013 7:45:08 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I find it interesting that back in 1970 the anti-handgun media decided that the Miller Decision from the Supreme Court did not protect handguns but did protect military type rifles.

It was written into many TV scripts at the time.

Now all guns are up for grabs.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 7:47:07 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: holymoly

Canada is less likly to kill non compliant gun ownere than the US is. If this passes, they will look for a test case. Then they will use massive force, up to drone attacks, against that person or group.

Most will comply then.


36 posted on 01/05/2013 7:48:38 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Nextrush

So once again, jettison all other positions for “fiscal” concerns that not one congressmen in 10 supports and not one voter in a 100 understands.

It is to late for that. The GOP has never been interested in shrinking the debt. Cutting programs doesn’t win votes.


37 posted on 01/05/2013 7:52:19 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Incorrect. Compliance to unjust law is impossible and immoral.


38 posted on 01/05/2013 7:53:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

I would like to think that in the military there is a higher percentage of personnel both in command and enlisted that feel like I do and would refuse to follow orders to shoot and disarm Americans.


39 posted on 01/05/2013 8:04:41 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: Graybeard58

Yep. It will go straight to committee where it will be allowed to die. Harry Reid will never bring this POS to the floor of the Senate to be voted on. He wants to get re-elected and so do all the other Dems.


40 posted on 01/05/2013 8:06:28 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Domandred

Have you been watching ANY of the NRA’s responses at all or are you just coming out to attack an organization that knows how to get things done politically, even if you disagree?

The NRA has already said NO COMPROMISES. They will NOT support an AWB of any sort.

Bringing up historical events here is irrelevant because the times have changed. Americans, by a large margin, do not support bans that have statistically been proven to do absolutely nothing in the wake of crime. We have a Republican controlled House and several pro-gun Dems in the Senate (though we’ll see how well they stick to their guns, pun intended).

This is a different time and the NRA needs our support. Don’t be a jackal and call them cavers before the debate has even begun.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 8:10:36 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Lazamataz

Easy to say today. When the grab starts, and people are facing jail, massive fines, and getting shot most will comply. Its human nature.


42 posted on 01/05/2013 8:19:28 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Democrats don't do that to start with, because they're too stupid to recognize intelligence in the first place.
43 posted on 01/05/2013 8:20:58 AM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: backwoods-engineer
This MUST be the line, not in the sand, but etched in the rock. Here, and no farther.

How well has that been working out so far?

44 posted on 01/05/2013 8:22:08 AM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: Dan Nunn
Don’t be a jackal and call them cavers before the debate has even begun.

Didn't Boner say that he'd never cave before Obama? What did he end up doing?

45 posted on 01/05/2013 8:28:27 AM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: wastedyears

Comparing the NRA to Boner is like comparing apples to airplanes.


46 posted on 01/05/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Someone needs to file criminal charges against her the very next day. Violation of USC Title 18 Sec 241/242. Deprivation of civil rights under color of law.


47 posted on 01/05/2013 9:04:19 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: redgolum

I’m willing to die.


48 posted on 01/05/2013 9:09:53 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We need someone to introduce a bill to protect our right to vote, all persons registering to vote shall be fingerprinted, photographed, and have a background check on their alleged citizenship and check for felonies. Those that perjure themselves will be subject to strict penalties and jail time. Mirror difi’s bill, certainly illegal voters are causing more damage than a few loose nuts with guns. Start with verifying the Presidents eligibility and prosecute ATF for running guns to Mexico before any discussion about gun control

Take the offensive!


49 posted on 01/05/2013 9:23:35 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Red in Blue PA

“”require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners””

At the same time they forfeit their fortunes upon death!!!!


50 posted on 01/05/2013 9:39:28 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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