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Obama may Ignore the Debt Ceiling and Suspend the Constitution: Obama and the Debt Ceiling
The American Thinker ^ | January 5, 2013 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 01/05/2013 5:50:18 AM PST by Moseley

The debt ceiling is the last leverage that Republicans have to prevent out-of-control Federal spending and on various policy issues. Liberals know this: even as Senate Democrats talk of ending the right of Republicans to filibuster, liberals are seeking to defang the Republican House of Representatives as well. They are also now peddling a new theme that the debt ceiling itself is unconstitutional under Section 4 of the 14th Amendment. Therefore, President Obama may simply ignore the debt ceiling.

The looming debt ceiling fight could allow Republicans to soundly defeat Obama's overspending. In the "fiscal cliff" deal, Republicans succeeded by making most of the temporary Bush tax cuts permanent, but failed to get spending cuts. Yet now, Republicans could use the debt ceiling vote to slash spending. The overall result could be serious deficit reduction at lower permanent tax rates. But this requires Republicans to stand united and refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

Section 4 of the 14th Amendment requires: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law... shall not be questioned." Liberals argue that if Congress has authorized spending, this automatically gives the president the power and even the obligation to borrow whatever it takes to spend all the money for which Congress voted. When Congress votes to spend money, this includes the obligation of the chief executive to take whatever actions are necessary to pay the debts of the United States Government. That is because "the validity of the public debt" ... "shall not be questioned." Thus, any debt ceiling law violates Section 4, they argue.

Suddenly the appeal for Washington to abandon the U.S. Constitution from Georgetown Law Professor Louis Michael Seidman in the New York Times makes sense.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; bho44; debt; debtceiling; deficit; fiscalcliff; obama; section4
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1 posted on 01/05/2013 5:50:25 AM PST by Moseley
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To: Moseley

When, when, when will the still-rational-left (if there are any remaining) see the overreach. I have been waiting for 4 years for someone over there to realize what is going on.


2 posted on 01/05/2013 5:54:22 AM PST by MustKnowHistory
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To: Moseley

When not one member of the US Congress cares about the
Constitution, then it functionally does not even exist.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 5:55:28 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis
When not one member of the US Congress cares about the Constitution, then it functionally does not even exist.

Yep - "suspending" the Constitution would be suspending all that has happened in government to date, (Constitutional or not) and would result in a Monarchal Dictatorship with zero constraints, thereby fulfilling the "Zero" label many of us have put on the POS in the WH.

4 posted on 01/05/2013 6:03:20 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: MustKnowHistory

They know what’s going. They’ve always known. They want it. No problem. Weeper of the House and the GOPe will stand firm and hold the line...(crickets)...


5 posted on 01/05/2013 6:05:26 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Diogenesis

I think its time to start suspending congressmen who are willing to cede their authority to Obama. If the people of their districts don’t like it, tough.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 6:05:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Moseley

Barrys popularity will be going down soon. When the kids see their paychecks go down and bunches of them get layed off ratings will drop like a rock. If Barry goes too far impeachment can be started. An egomaniac would do lots of damage to his party strong arming his won party to defend against impeachment.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 6:07:02 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: trebb

So why wouldn’t this be liscense for 10 million Americans to march on DC and remove 537 individuals from their stations?


8 posted on 01/05/2013 6:07:33 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Diogenesis

Nearly all members of Congress on the left see the Constitution — correctly — as a check on their power. Unfortunately, a growing majority of representatives and senators on the right see the Constitution as worth defending — but only when it’s convenient to do so.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 6:10:37 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Moseley
The debt ceiling is the last leverage that Republicans have to prevent out-of-control Federal spending and on various policy issues.

Good news: We have a chance!

Bad news: House Republicans have no guts.

10 posted on 01/05/2013 6:10:57 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Moseley

11 posted on 01/05/2013 6:14:29 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: Moseley

If Obama borrows money without the permission of the people, then the people should feel no obligation to pay it back.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 6:16:45 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Moseley

Last week I was telling folks, before the GOP caved on that vote::What’s the difference between a House GOP and the Anti-Christ?
the Anti Christ has “666” on forehead
the house GOP has “I caved”
It’s like Al-Jazerra buying Algores Current TV network: Net difference=Zero!
Freegards
LEX


13 posted on 01/05/2013 6:18:00 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Moseley
I just stated this on another thread. The left thinks they can cause chaos and then control it. Does that idiot Obama think he can get away with "suspending" the constitution?

IF the big O thinks that he will consolidate power after suspending (got to laugh) the constitution, he will only invite the age of the strongman, regardless of the results.

14 posted on 01/05/2013 6:18:59 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: ILS21R

That is one powerful image.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 6:21:42 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: PowderMonkey

Yes, the hard core left understands and approves. But I still think there are lot of useful idiots over there who may wake up one day. Maybe I am delusional.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 6:22:17 AM PST by MustKnowHistory
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To: cotton1706
If Obama borrows money without the permission of the people, then the people should feel no obligation to pay it back.

I can't imagine that our credit rating would stay where it is if the far left does this. Increasing numbers of Americans are questioning whether we have a moral obligation to repay invalid debts - borrowing for government actions that are clearly outside the Enumerated Powers.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 6:22:34 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: VRW Conspirator
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18 posted on 01/05/2013 6:23:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Moseley

We have to force The Kenyan to breech the Constitution. I think he would do it without much provocation, such as a short government shutdown. GOP Congressional leaders need to have war-gamed the whole scenario out. They need to look into appropriations bills for debt payments, military and essential services. GOP leadership also needs to have a chat with top military brass and remind them of their Constitutional oath. In the meantime, the GOP should put out their very best Constitutional experts and explain to the public that zero is assuming unconstitutional and dictatorial powers and that henceforth, any spending or legal actions by the executive have no basis in law, and citizens would be under no legal obligation to follow them.
It looks like we need to have a coup. If zero gets away with this one, why wouldn’t he just start outright arresting all political opponents, elected and non-elected.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 6:30:50 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: MustKnowHistory

This is /s, right?
The bigger question is when will the people get fed up & say No more! ?
(Sadly, I fear that we’re both SOL.)


20 posted on 01/05/2013 6:31:20 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Moseley

The US Constitution is now a quaint old piece of parchment relegated to viewing through thick glass by elementary school kids on their way to the IMAX theater to receive their instructions from Dear Leader.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 6:34:20 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Moseley

This ‘issue’ isn’t complex at all.

Simply remove the term “debt ceiling” from your mind.... The Congress needs to just ....NOT SPEND THE DAMN MONEY!

Balance the budget!


22 posted on 01/05/2013 6:38:54 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Diogenesis

I was under the impression all these years, the constitution was the law of the land.

If so, how can members of congress breach the law with impunity and skirt prosecution?


23 posted on 01/05/2013 6:41:07 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: TADSLOS

Barry is going to lay out his marching orders in the SOU. This should be the first state of the union that when his excellency is done speaking, the speaker of the house says, and now it is time for a response, publicly. We do not stand in recess, take out the trash please Mr. Sergeant at Arms, and now here it is:

1. Everything Barry said is BS.
2. We are not going to defacto suspend our constitution.
3. From today forward, not one dime is to be spent that has not been appropriated.
4. The states are on notice it is time for them to begin to reform a New Constitution by convention process.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 6:42:10 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: grumpygresh
GOP Congressional leaders

GOP leadership

You write as if there is any. GOP "leadership" has deserted the field. They are minions of Obama.

25 posted on 01/05/2013 6:43:38 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: TADSLOS

has = have


26 posted on 01/05/2013 6:46:16 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: ILS21R

Lincoln was for the constitution?

After burning Atlanta and the South for daring to secede?


27 posted on 01/05/2013 6:48:23 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Moseley

Just don’t send him any more spending bills. the House is as complicit as the Senate and the POTUS.


28 posted on 01/05/2013 6:48:38 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Moseley
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

The operative words being AUTHORIZED BY LAW. The authorized debt is currently 16 trillion. I don't see how they get past that little caveat.

29 posted on 01/05/2013 6:48:43 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Moseley

Suspend the Constitution? I thought Roberts did that with his Obamacare ruling.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 6:49:03 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Moseley
Politico reports that Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton are pushing this theory:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/democrats-keep-constitution-on-the-table-85792.html?hp=l1
31 posted on 01/05/2013 6:49:36 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

He said he wasn’t going to debate the debt ceiling,wonder if he can bypas congress and the constitution ?.


32 posted on 01/05/2013 6:52:56 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: ILS21R

Interesting video of Calvin Coolidge reading a speech on our national debt and the danger of it growing. ($7.5 billion in 1924). He wasn’t a great speaker but it was a great speech all the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puwTrLRhmw


33 posted on 01/05/2013 6:53:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TADSLOS

“You write as if there is any. GOP “leadership” has deserted the field. They are minions of Obama.”

Any other better ideas? Or else should we board the freight cars and off we go.


34 posted on 01/05/2013 6:54:29 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: TADSLOS
GOP leadership

Sorry: "Dry water"

A contradiction in terms!
35 posted on 01/05/2013 6:55:57 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: grumpygresh
GOP Congressional leaders need to have war-gamed the whole scenario out.
_________________________________________________

Boehner will cave unless the others strap and lock a remote controlled electrical neck collar on him so they can train him away from his cave and surrender propensities. Sort of like the remote controlled dog collar.

I sure wish that Louie Gohmert was the speaker. Now that would be exciting.

36 posted on 01/05/2013 6:57:52 AM PST by iontheball
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To: Mouton
We do not stand in recess, take out the trash please Mr. Sergeant at Arms, and now here it is:

1. Everything Barry said is BS.
2. We are not going to defacto suspend our constitution.
3. From today forward, not one dime is to be spent that has not been
appropriated.
4. The states are on notice it is time for them to begin to reform a New
Constitution by convention process.

Sure, if Allen West were Speaker. Ain't gonna happen with Speaker Weeper at the helm.

37 posted on 01/05/2013 7:00:52 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: MustKnowHistory
When, when, when will the still-rational-left (if there are any remaining) see the overreach.

Drunkenness, especially power drunkenness, clouds perception so the answer to your question is: Not until it is too late.

38 posted on 01/05/2013 7:03:08 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: Diogenesis

Exactly. I signed up to Free Republic some time ago and at the height of the Tea Party activity I had hopes of actually having results.

However it has become crystal clear we have lost. I prayed the first election of Obama was a “perfect storm” combination of race, media, economic conditions and magical thinking. His re-election has hammered home the truth the takers have control.

My family and I have the intelligence and ability to prosper. I tried to help create a country where someone was judged and rewarded according to their character. “They” are saying I was wrong. Doing so is racist. Fine..”They” win.

I will join them in supporting a ruling elite that will keep them slaves. I’ll throw them an occasional phone or other bright trinket for them to wallow in the swill with. Let them kill their babies. Let them allow their sons and daughters that manage to get through P.P. kill one another over drugs or tennis shoes. I don’t care anymore.

This system will crash, and then my children, and grand children will bury the trash and rebuild. We will survive.

Elites always need a productive society to skim off of. Does anyone think that when the rulling elites are overburdened by the demands of the grabbers, they wont hesitate to eliminate them? And when that starts, do you think I will cry for them. I say the sooner the better. Want to burn down your community because the brigh light is so pretty. Here’s your matches. Elites always need a productive society to skim off of.

America’s strength was always based on the strength of the Individual and an adherence to the principles of Cristianity. I am willing to fight and die for those that share that view.

I can give a rat’s @$$ for the heathen scum that now has control. I know how to get rid of feral hogs.


39 posted on 01/05/2013 7:04:33 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Ouderkirk

The spending is authorized by law.
Insofar as it conflicts with the debt ceiling law, the impossible is resolved by ignoring one of those laws.
It’s a Supreme Court matter now.


40 posted on 01/05/2013 7:04:40 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: mountainlion
If Barry goes too far impeachment can be started.

Unless we win the Senate in 2014...impeachment is a fantasy...

Obama could rape little boys and slit their throats on the WH front lawn with Chris Matthews doing live commentary and the current Senate would never vote to convict him...

41 posted on 01/05/2013 7:08:47 AM PST by Popman
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To: Moseley

“When in the course . . . “


42 posted on 01/05/2013 7:12:04 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Moseley

Where is this ceiling every ones’s talking about?

Call me a skeptic, but I don’t believe it even exists.


43 posted on 01/05/2013 7:16:26 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Moseley

Obama is a communist pos dictator like Chavez. Should be impeached.

We must secede.


44 posted on 01/05/2013 7:16:43 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Moseley

plan needs to be, if barky ignores the debt ceiling, then the house needs to refuse to pass any appropriations at all this year, shutting the entire government down, stick to it and mean it. the government is funded one year at a time, so when funding runs out, that’s it.


45 posted on 01/05/2013 7:21:24 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Mouton
4. The states are on notice it is time for them to begin to reform a New Constitution by convention process.

No one will enforce the Constitution we have now, how is a "new" one going to be enforced?

Besides, you want this current crop of weasels crafting a new Constitution?

No thanks.

46 posted on 01/05/2013 7:26:43 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: ILS21R

Where is this picture from?


47 posted on 01/05/2013 7:30:31 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Besides, you want this current crop of weasels crafting a new Constitution?

Great point. It would end up being a 6 volume set of heavyweight doorstops. They would have to pass it to see what's in it.

48 posted on 01/05/2013 7:31:42 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Mouton

The COTUS has been suspended for a while. Anew COTUS will just give the elite the opportunity to legalize that suspension. Al Quaeda has left us intact domestically because we are destroying ourselves.


49 posted on 01/05/2013 7:32:14 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: VRW Conspirator

If Obama Suspends the Constitution. Must he also declare marshal law. Is the military then obligated to defend the law and the Constitution? No Constitution, No Obama Commander in Chief, leaving the door open for a coup by the military to restore the CONSTITUTION.


50 posted on 01/05/2013 7:36:02 AM PST by Don_Ret_USAF ( "Smile Before Bed, You'll Sleep Better.")
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