Skip to comments.Truant school kids get surprise trip to jail
Posted on 01/05/2013 6:02:47 AM PST by wintertime
Truant school kids get surprise trip to jail /( School:Training to be prisoners of the state)
This video is 2:37 minutes long.
Adult prison? Really? Wow! Imagine the lessons taught there!
Why are communities demanding that 18 year old young men ( whose only crime was to be born) attend prison-like school where they are treated in many ways like a state prisoner?
Why should a community do to this to a 17 year old or to any child of any age? These children have committed no crime but the state treats them like prisoners in their prison-like state schools.
What impact will this imprisonment have on the future lives of these young people in this video? ( Please, remember that they have **rationally** rebelled against being treated like a state prisoner in their prison-like state schools.)
What is the impact of having unwilling inmates in prison-like schools on the education of those who are compliant in their prison-like schools?
With the increasing criminalization of childhood behavior, that in the past would have been treated as a learning opportunity, what will be the consequences for our nation?
What will be the consequences of having a nation of voters who have been trained in the prison-like state schools to be comfortable with being state prisoners?
Please remember that behind every government school teacher stand armed police, courts, handcuffs, and hard-time prison. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip.) Isn't this video proof enough of that?
By the way, although the judge was quoted as saying that kids who are not in school are committing crimes, there was no mention of these young people committing crime ( except for being born and refusing to being treated like a prisoner of the state.)
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When and how and why did Americans allow the government to do government schools? And even now many Americans think it is great to have government schools. I ‘ve had debates with idiots that have attacked me verbally for daring to talk against the government schools.
I’d like to know the history of government schools. this was one of the seeds of socialism in the U.S. imo
Thoughts on this thread?
Isn't it **rational** to resist being treated like a prisoner when one’s only crime was to be born?
This is not good for the kids who had to serve time in an adult lockup.
It is not good for the children who compliantly remain in school to know of this police, court, and hard-time prison threat.
It is not good for children who are comfortable in their prison-like school to be forced by the state to assemble with those children who aren't compliant. ( First Amendment human right to free assembly.)
As a factual matter, children belong more to the State than their parents.
But parents still have the ability to wrest control of their own children from the State.
But that would mean giving up free babysitting.
How much is free babysitting really worth?
There are several Youtube videos of him.
Modern government schooling is considered to have its origins in the the compulsory schooling laws of the mid-1800s.
My great grandparents ( born 1860s), grandparents ( born early 1890s), and parents ( born 1913) would be shaking their heads in utter disbelief that a judge would sentence an EIGHTEEN year old to prison for refusing to go to school. Geeze! My aunts and uncles only went to school until they were 14.
This country was put through a cultural and ideological meat grinder called the 60s. We are now feeling the repercussions of what came out the other end.
It only took one to three generations of socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory schooling to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt and his compulsory, single-payer, and socialist programs.
Children who attend socialist funded, and state compelled schools are at risk of learning to be comfortable with socialist, single-payer, and compulsory programs.
“Government schools” in Maryland began during the colonial era, when in 1723, the general assembly instructed the then-extant 12 counties to set up and operate “free schools.”
Anne Arundel County (the county in which the capital, Annapolis, is located) had its free school in operation no later than 1746.
The original school building still stands, located in a neighborhood of Davidsonville, MD.
Did the peoplke responding in this thread even watch the video? The responses are acting like the school is just sending kids on a field trip to a prison to punish innocent kids. These kids are chronicly skipping school and engageing in criminal activity like breaking into houses etc. according to the video. Bottom line is if they were doing the right thing, they wouldn’t have anything to worry about. One of the last people they mentioned was a 14 year old girl that got sentenced for 3 days or ao, also with her mother as her nmother tried to FORGE a doctors note. I say good, maybe it will teach this trash a lesson.
Condition response at an early age the government can throw you in jail for almost any thing.
But parents still have the ability to wrest control of their own children from the State.
But that would mean giving up free babysitting.
How much is free babysitting really worth?
You are correct. Money aside (meaning involuntary extractions through taxation), the price one pays for such government babysitting - which morphs into something more like incarceration by the time a child is a teenager - is that the child does belong to the state. The "Prussian model" was as warm and fuzzy as most things Prussian.
When war begins and indoctrination centers go up in flames, leave that one alone for historical purposes /s
The media and government are always inventing some fake crisis or some fake need in order to justify more laws and more government brainwashing all to accept this “great” government service or something that the government will give to you.In reality all they are doing is growing government power and at the same time taking away our individual rights and freedom as is their goal( the socialists/democrats in the media's goal)
Maybe, but my guess would be that it is not, as it is scary enough to drive parents of home schoolers further from the government schools. Home schooling parents are more likely to have their efforts undone by putting their children in some sort of government or quasi-government "after-hours" program that uses bait such as "discipline," "character," "service" or other various assorted "good old fashioned values" as vehicles to carry the main ingredients of statist indoctrination.
The sixties were merely the fulminating expression of a long standing low grade infection.
Please remember that Bill Ayers could not have reached his station of influence without the mentoring of others of my father’s generation ( born 1913).
When I was a teen, I skipped school once. I was driving down the road with a friend and when I glanced into the rearview mirror, I happened to see my last name spelled backward. Looking up at the driver, I saw my dad driving one of our business trucks. He pointed very firmly toward the school and followed me there. Once I arrived back at the school, he walked me into the principal’s office.
...I never skipped school again.
For more on this, please do a Google search on Horace Mann Father of American Education.
“If you accept that the government...”
I didn't say I accept anything. You asked a question of fact:
“When and how and why did Americans allow the government to do government schools?”
Although I don't think Maryland was the first American colony to have government-funded and -organized schools, I know that, as a matter of historical fact, it did, that these efforts predated the American Revolution, and didn't seem to perturb in principle anyone during the period of the Revolution and its aftermath, through the adoption of the Constitution.
In fact, the original efforts at “free schools” in Maryland go back to 1696, with the founding of King William's School in Annapolis by the colony's general assembly. I didn't cite it because it King William's eventually became the modern St. John's College. It wasn't what we call a college today, but it eventually became one. It eventually became a private school, as well.
You asked a question of history. I gave you an answer.
If you wish to argue that there should be no public schools, that's fine. I homeschooled my sons through eighth grade and then sent them off to a private Catholic high school.
But that's a philosophical stand that must take into account actual historical facts. And the facts are that government was doing schools in the American colonies before the founding, continued through the founding, and picked up speed after the founding.
There have been many twists and turns in public education since the 17th and 18th century. Whether one thinks those twists and turns have been good or bad, whether one thinks that public schools have morphed into something evil from more benign beginnings, whether one thinks the entire enterprise was bad from the beginning, everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.
There were government schools from the colonial era through the revolutionary and constitutional eras, and these government schools picked up speed continuously from that time onward.
Did you watch the video. In the court scenes there is no mention of criminal activity other than refusing to go to school ( where they are treated like prisoners.)
My grandparents and parents would be appalled that an EIGHTEEN year old man would be sentenced to lock up for not attending school.
Personally, I think it is **rational** to refuse to be treated like a criminal when the only crime is being born.
Skipping school is not at the same level of immoral behavior as breaking and entering and theft. Making government schooling compulsory and missing it a crime is over the top.
I have removed my son from school, because of the way the teachers were treating him. They were abusive and I called them on it, and took my child back. The teacher my son had, had her own child in class and would publicly humiliate her own child, in front of his peers. She would ask him to stand in the front and ask questions, in front of the class, that she knew he didn’t know the answer to- refused to allow classmates to help him, and then mock him for not knowing the answer.
I suspect she was a drunk, based upon the rambling and incoherent emails I got from her, and the way she graded my son’s papers, at night. During the day, a different person- yet wildly passive aggressive still.
The principal threatened me, for saying that I thought humiliating her own child in front of my child , was child abuse. He threatened ME, that there could be a lawsuit for such a claim and he would refuse to hear me about it.
Very subversive and nasty people.
That was week 3 of school. I didn’t wait for them to do serious damage, either. Move fast to protect your child.
For people to accept the idea that government can mandate or even be allowed to have children 8 hours per day in a government building to rule them for that time , is abominable to me and should be to anyone that has any brain cell in their head. When you allow government do to anything you empower government and at the same take take away individual rights and freedom. democrats love to do this and love government.
All government should be allowed to do is military,border control , international issues. And at the local level all government should be allowed is police , courts to settle act as a referee and to enforce just a handful of basic criminal laws obvious to anyone that protect individual rights to property( no theft, no trespassing), no murder, no assault , no robbery, etc. Also allow a few basic civil fair laws that allow suing to settle contracts,disputes . etc.
What the crap are you talking about with the only crime is being born. These deadbeats were skipping school and not staying home (as the video states) but going around causing trouble breaking and entering, burglarizing etc. You are making excuses for these perfect little angels. People like you are the problem. I think this would sort of wake these kids up so they don’t go down the path of criminal activity like they are already. What do you say of the 14 year old girl that was skipping school (more than once, none of these people were first time offenders) and her mother forged a note for her? I’m glad the judge threw both the girl and her mother in jail to teach them a lesson.
So you are basically making excuses for f**k up teenagers that like to skip school too? Sounds like the parents here are more to blame than the kids if this is the case. When I went to public school I never skipped school once.
At 18 and he is still in high school to me says he is a f**k up and got left back at least one year. If he doesn’t want to be in school he can just drop out of high school like the dead beat he seems to be.
But...Let's say they were involved in serious crime, such as breaking and entering, why would any thinking parent want these kids in a regular prison-like school? Would you want your child forced into association with real criminals?
Does this make sense to you?
The increasing prison-like treatment of our nation's children in their prison-like schools will have consequences in a few years in the voting booth. ( If we still have voting.)
Where'd I say that? Post the link.
If the kid is engaged in actual criminal activity, then prosecute them for it, but skipping school is not a matter of morals and criminal behavior as is theft, breaking and entering, forgery, etc.
Skipping school should not be a crime. School should not be mandatory under threat of state action. That reduces our country to a police state.
Sounds like the parents here are more to blame than the kids if this is the case.
Messed up kids are the result of messed up parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
But mandatory public school attendance is not the answer or solution. So what if they skip school to commit crimes? If they were in school, they'd just wait until the school day is over. Being in school is not going to stop them. It will not straighten out messed up kids and unless they're kept there under guard 24/7, then they will still be committing the crimes, just on a different time schedule.
When I went to public school I never skipped school once.
That’s why schools today look like prisons. Because they are run in much the same way. Attending Middle School and High School in many places is less safe than being in prison, though.
What the hell are you talking about prison-like school? They are habitual criminals and have to face the music. I’d say throw the book at these deadbeats. If I had a kid that was skipping school when he or she was supposed to be in school not only would they get an a$$beating I’d want the judge to teach them a lesson. Botton line though is I’m sure my kids would think twice before skipping school as my wrath would be worse than any judge.
I expect the prison-like conditions of our nation’s schools will grow worse. It will have consequences in a few years in the voting booth.
I agree , but I see it as a huge negative , it will breed docile compliant robots that will vote for even more of this cr*p as to then it is normal ,, “like home”.
so what? You make excuses for criminal teen behavior but just say “so what?” about kids that do the right thing.... Might want to change your signature if you’re really a Christian metmom...
Did the peoplke responding in this thread even watch the video?
We don’t need the video , we live it... Do you need to show a video to a 60 year old Russian about bread lines?
My town just outlawed ALL on-street parking and they are very selective about enforcement ... and that’s just the latest outrage. They’re bleeding us dry.. death by 1000 cuts.
There are alternatives... private school and home schooling... If I had a child of school age I would consider the alternative choices as public school now seems like a cesspool of liberal indoctrination and I’d want my kid(s) far away from that crap as possible.
I agree with you on the liberal nature of things, but how does this apply to the kids CHOOSING to skip school. That is what the focus should be on.
I do? Show me where I make excuses for criminal behavior.
I find that your false accusations hardly put you in a position to judge another on the validity of their profession of faith.
If and when tyranny comes to our nation, the oligarchy will not use cattle cars. No. No.
They will use big yellow school buses and the sheeple will compliantly board them just as their prison-like government schools taught them.
good point you learned your lesson. I guess wintertime is OK with kids skipping school instead of teaching them a lesson.
Actually you are wrong. Just go to :28 in the video. The Judge says (paraphrased by the reporter) that these kids that are skipping school aren’t at home watching tv, but they are breaking into houses, breaking into homes, doing drugs etc. THAT IS CRIMINAL acts that should be punishable by jail time and not only 3 days like these kids were getting. They are lucky I wasn;t the judge as they’d be getting more than 3 freaking days for their criminal acts.
What do you suggest that the repeat offenders of skipping school get then? A good talking to? The 18 year old kid in the video with the purple shirt was given SEVERAL warnings before about skipping school and apparently said F_U to the teachers, school or whatever, but now has a 3 day sentence in jail. Good for him, maybe he will THINK TWICE before skipping school next time. I never skipped school when I was that age, so neither should they. Bottom line.
— Modern schools look like prisons.
— Once inside children are treated in many ways like prisoners. They are ordered by the state when to speak or shut up. Their press and free assembly are highly regulated. They can not fully express their religious belief as they wish. They are labeled and numbered and some are now forced to carry GPS traceable chips. They are told when they can exercise, eat, and rest. They are marched about to the sound of bells. Their exercise yards look like prison yards. Guards and drug sniffing dogs patrol the halls, Metal detectors are common. They are subject to searches.
In some ways prisoners have it better. Prisoners are not likely to mowed down by a gun toting lunatic. They have their own toilet so they don't have to use a commode that someone else has peed on. No one is likely to monitor if they eat their vegetables or not. And...They are not subjected to the non-stop godless proselytizing of the government established religion of humanism.
At least criminals have committed a crime. The only “crime” children have committed is the audacity to be born.
Question: Isn't it ***rational** to rebel against being treated like a prisoner when one is completely innocent of any crime?
As usual it does not belong in news - it belongs in "chat" or "personal/bloggers."
That was what the reporter said about the judge’s statements.
At NO point in the court room scenes does the judge make any reference to any criminal behavior by the young people other than refusing to go to school.
If these kids were really breaking and entering that is the crime they would be charged with, ...certainly not truancy.
I have to disagree. Judges have been intermittently treating truancy as misdemeanor offense since compulsory education was enacted (first in Massachusetts in 1852 and last in Mississippi in 1917). And the rationale for this is much more complex than pure statism.
To begin with, minor children are *not* free citizens, and in many ways, in the eyes of the law, they are chattels(1) of their parents or legal guardians.
(1) Chattal. Personal as opposed to real property; any tangible movable property (furniture or domestic animals or a car, etc.)
Public, private and religious schools have long fit into the legal status of “alma mater”(2), where they are temporarily, legally, given custody of children. This means that they are in many ways liable for the conduct on school grounds, or under some circumstances, off school grounds; as much as a dog owner can still be responsible if their dog escapes and runs free.
(2) Latin, “fostering mother”.
Schools however do not have full parental control of students in many ways, and courts have, in recent decades, recognized that students do maintain at least partial civil rights in US law, in school and even at home.
But, just as schools have both authority and responsibility, just as when dogs escape and run free, the local community laws come into effect. And this applies as much for children as it does for dogs.
As such, many communities have decided that minor children at large during school hours need to be controlled, so such communities have enacted daylight curfews of school age children. In effect, truant students may be considered as runaways.
And this is the basis of truancy laws.
Importantly, in the case shown on the video, several other factors come into play. The first is that these students were old enough so that they fit into revised laws that allow “minors to be tried as adults.”
Second, that they were repeat offenders. They had received lesser penalties and warnings that if they continued to be truant, they would get more strident punishment.
Third, and importantly, these were public school students. Had they been private or religious school students, or home taught students, they would have been under very different rules.
The only exception to this situation is that they mentioned a student who was 18 years old. Unless his state is different than most, once a student turns 18, whether or not he is in school, he cannot be considered truant, as he is legally an adult in most ways, and thus automatically has all of his civil rights.
What do you suggest that the repeat offenders of skipping school get then?
It was common for citizens of my parents generation ( born 1913) to leave school at the age of 14. Several of my parents’ friends and my father’s two sisters left school at this age. **ALL** went on to live highly productive middle class lives.
My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents would be appalled that an 18, 17, or even a 14 year old would be forced by the state to attend school when they had no desire to be there.
while I agree public schools now are more prison like than when I went to school, but what you are mentioning about when and where to eat (lunch time and cafeteria), being marched around by school bells (this was probably normal protocol even back in the 50s?) which was all normal to me and I was a child of the 70s. You’re acting like this is all a new phenominon, when the public schools have been like this at least for the past 40 years.
Wow! This is a new one! Kids as dogs.
Responding to the thread:
What the original poster does not realize or chooses to ignore is the fact a school is neither evil or good, it is neutral.
Those who are chronically truant are not going to become the next wave of physicians, lawyers, teachers (gasp!) and working professionals, but instead fill the prisons.
Of course, my opinion is not anecdotal and given enough time I can find plenty of positive empirical evidence to back this as fact. But facts, as we all know, are completely ignored and eschewed by the rabid crowd of homeschoolers.
I have many students who have never missed a day of school this year. They are also the children of well-educated, professional parents who 1. are involved in the school; 2. involved in the community; 3. care about their children.
And, before the whole ‘afterschooling’ comment arises, there are not that many people in my small rural county who can understand Latin well enough to teach it. The local Catholic priest is not as versed as I, so that point is moot.
Finally, my thanks, Gabz, for your kind post elsethread. I have backed off of FR for a while and will likely not return because I go back to work on Monday. Work; where I shall help students reach their potential, enforce the rules, make them think outside of the box, and provide them with work their parents cannot help them with at home.
I wonder if it is inappropriate to ping the original poster of this thread, but I have given my word about it, so I will not. It may, in time, end back up in the hands of the moderators who will no doubt recommend we all learn to play nice and grow a backbone rather than run. I could be wrong, of course.