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In Reversal, Armstrong Is Said to Weigh Admitting Drug Use
NY Times ^ | 1/5/13 | JULIET MACUR

Posted on 01/05/2013 8:19:28 AM PST by Vision

Lance Armstrong, who this fall was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles for doping and barred for life from competing in all Olympic sports, has told associates and antidoping officials that he is considering publicly admitting that he used banned performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions during his cycling career, according to several people with direct knowledge of the situation. He would do this, the people said, because he wants to persuade antidoping officials to restore his eligibility so he can resume his athletic career.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cycling; doping; lancearmstrong; tourdefrance
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1 posted on 01/05/2013 8:19:37 AM PST by Vision
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To: whattajoke; CyberCowboy777; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; stylin_geek; ...

Well, well, well...


2 posted on 01/05/2013 8:20:38 AM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Vision

Glorification of sports figures, fantastic endorsement deals, not having to work the rest of one’s life at a real job that accomplishes something?

What could be wrong with that? It’s easy to see why they go the ‘extra mile’ to get better and WIN!


3 posted on 01/05/2013 8:22:53 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Vision

4 posted on 01/05/2013 8:24:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Vision

Just another liberal narcissist. Pathetic character.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 8:25:09 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Vision

Ah well, so what?

Anybody who thinks the winners in pro bike racing don’t dope are themselves a dope.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 8:25:09 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Vision

Just another liberal narcissist. Pathetic character.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 8:25:30 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Vision

I was one of those who refused to believe. I mean, the idea of an American thrashing the oh-so-good Europeans in their own sport, at their own place... who could resist? What a pity that, like Nebuchadnezzar’s statue, this dream had feet of clay!


8 posted on 01/05/2013 8:27:17 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: 1rudeboy
Here's one of Armstrong's grestest hits...

During his sworn testimony in the dispute over the $5 million bonus, Armstrong said he wouldn't take drugs because he had too much to lose.

"(The) faith of all the cancer survivors around the world. Everything I do off the bike would go away, too," Armstrong said then. "And don't think for a second I don't understand that. It's not about money for me. Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me over the years. So all of that would be erased."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20120823/lance-armstrong-drops-fight-us-antidoping-agency/#ixzz2H7QsYfcQ
9 posted on 01/05/2013 8:29:49 AM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Former Fetus

I was on his side. He said he was innocent, they couldn’t prove different, and I was on his side,

Now he can go F himself.

He should never be allowed to compete again. Screw him lying bastid.


10 posted on 01/05/2013 8:29:49 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

You bet. Lying his arse off didn’t work so what’s a poor doper to do except try the truth (for a change!)


11 posted on 01/05/2013 8:32:37 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Venturer

Lance should just keep his mug shut and find a real job. He has already made this decision and reversing it would just make things worse.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 8:35:24 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Vision

Lance will do anything possible to salvage his career and Livestrong honeypot. Livestrong has always been a bogus organization for cancer “awareness” and doesn’t do anything other than pay him to blaber about his recovery journey.
Lance also owes Greg LeMond, the greatest US cyclist, an apology after defaming him for over ten years.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by caltaxed
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To: Vision

1. I always believed he doped.
2. He clearly was a vindictive SOB towards anyone who opposed him.

but OTOH ...

1. All his competitors were evidently doping as well.
2. LA tended to get singled out because of his high profile stature.

So - not a big fan, but not one to get all worked up about his either.


14 posted on 01/05/2013 8:39:31 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Vision

Lance:

STFU and keep working the “civilian” side of LiveStrong.

At this point, I don’t care whether your “wins” were enhanced or not. You got ‘em against the best competition (who may or may not have “juiced”).

Bruh, nobody cares once the TDF starts this spring..unless you insert yourself for the sake of narcissisum.

Dude, flash the USADA your middle-finger and walk away.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 8:44:19 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: Vision

Not cycling fan but the Sheryl Crow thing told me all I WANTED to know about the guy.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 8:47:05 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Vision; nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; glorgau; ..

Cycling Ping

Put me in that column under the heading of "People who were dead wrong and stood with him for too long."

I wanted to believe in him and his remarkable story. Now, I'm feeling a lot different towards him personally. He has brought this on himself and seems to be thinking only of future financial rewards through competition and sponsorship. If he wants to make money he can develop his own "Pay-per-View' challenge and see where it goes, or maybe wrestle in jello like Dennis Rodman.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 8:48:54 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Vision

Well, it’s a little late for that if he wants to rehabilitate his public image. All it’s going to do, at this point, is disillusion the last of his hard-core defenders.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 8:56:26 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Agree completely.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 8:59:34 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Vision

“Said to be considering admitting ...”

What kind of imaginary derivative factoid is that?


20 posted on 01/05/2013 9:01:28 AM PST by Tax-chick (The paint is in the basket with the skulls in there. Don't tell me you can't find it!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“2. LA tended to get singled out because of his high profile stature.”

Sure, but that’s the way it goes with any organization. John Gotti’s going to die in prison, but his murderous hitman, Sammy Gravano, got a pass because he flipped on him.

I don’t think Gotti, or Armstrong, has any grounds to complain about that, because they put themselves in that position.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 9:04:00 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tax-chick

Well, in court it would be hearsay, but in print, it’s journalism :)


22 posted on 01/05/2013 9:05:34 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Vision

The Bruyneel case is looming large.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 9:07:27 AM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Vision

This is a complicated matter and many different organizations will have to sign off to some degree on any forthcoming “I did dope” statement from Armstrong, imo. It will be interesting to see what occurs over the next few months as this testing of the waters plays out.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 9:11:45 AM PST by deport
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To: Vision
I find this story incredibly difficult to believe and not just because of it's orginating newsrag. He is going to admit to actions that he fought for over a decade just so he can participate in iron man events?
25 posted on 01/05/2013 9:13:53 AM PST by Cyman
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To: Boogieman

Even if it’s direct testimony, “I’m considering admitting ... “ doesn’t convey any real information.


26 posted on 01/05/2013 9:21:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (The paint is in the basket with the skulls in there. Don't tell me you can't find it!)
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To: Tax-chick

Holder will never agree to let Armstrong off the hook, wrong skin color!


27 posted on 01/05/2013 9:30:29 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Vision

Wasn’t he supposed to seek the Democrat gubernatorial nod in 2014 to run against Perry?


28 posted on 01/05/2013 9:41:21 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Vision

Oh!!! THAT Armstrong. I thought they were talking about Louis Armstrong.

(What a Wonderful World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2VCwBzGdPM

Enjoy.


29 posted on 01/05/2013 9:49:15 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (uuue)
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To: Venturer

What? Admit to something a non court has already found him guilty of?

Whether or not he doped he was found guilty by that “non court” and banished from pro sports for life.

So his admitting doping changes nothing in the past but may allow him to compete in the future. Depending on how bad he wants to complete may explain the “admission”.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 9:52:46 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Tax-chick

Sure it would. It would that either he was not innocent, or that he was willing to falsely admit guilt just to obtain some material benefit.


31 posted on 01/05/2013 10:00:06 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: deport

Knowing human nature, a perfunctory mea culpa is not going to cut it. People are going to want to make a spectacle of his public shaming, probably followed by a period in the wilderness. That’s just our natural tendency when people held up as heroes disappoint us like this, we want to punish them for making us feel foolish.

The upshot for Armstrong is that everyone loves a redemption and comeback story. So if he does the right thing and can ride it out he might have some light at the end of the tunnel.


32 posted on 01/05/2013 10:06:50 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Right, it would indicate something about his character, but it still wouldn’t say anything for certain about the facts, which is what I meant by “information.”

With “said to be considering,” we can’t even say this shows he’s a cretin, whether he actually used drugs or not. However, as someone mentioned above, his relationship with Sheryl Crow is a strong point in favor of the “He’s a cretin” possibility, as well as the likelihood of drug use.


33 posted on 01/05/2013 10:12:33 AM PST by Tax-chick (The paint is in the basket with the skulls in there. Don't tell me you can't find it!)
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To: glorgau
In bicycling, it's not that the winners don't dope, it's that the losers do too.

In Lance's case, even if he "admits" I am still not sure whether it is a true confession or an extortion so he can resume pro status.

The reason I'm not sure Lance doped is simply this.

He came back from Stage IV cancer using chemo.

Compared to that, even the Alpe d'Huez can be considered merely "mildly uncomfortable". That is, the pain he endured outside of cycling may have given him a psychological advantage to push harder than the other cyclists, as he had already experienced far worse than the Tour dished out -- he had a "deeper reserve".

Your mileage may vary.

34 posted on 01/05/2013 10:35:14 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Vision

Wonder if there are lawsuits chopping at the bit? i.e. economic losses on sponsors reputation.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 10:47:26 AM PST by existentially_kuffer
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To: glorgau
In bicycling, it's not that the winners don't dope, it's that the losers do too.

In Lance's case, even if he "admits" I am still not sure whether it is a true confession or an extortion so he can resume pro status.

The reason I'm not sure Lance doped is simply this.

He came back from Stage IV cancer using chemo.

Compared to that, even the Alpe d'Huez can be considered merely "mildly uncomfortable". That is, the pain he endured outside of cycling may have given him a psychological advantage to push harder than the other cyclists, as he had already experienced far worse than the Tour dished out -- he had a "deeper reserve".

Your mileage may vary.

36 posted on 01/05/2013 11:13:53 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Vision

Other than the *several people*, who else knows or cares.


37 posted on 01/05/2013 11:38:50 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: 1rudeboy

38 posted on 01/05/2013 11:56:52 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Vision

So let’s hear from the deniers on this forum. Crickets?


39 posted on 01/05/2013 11:58:24 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Vision

First, what kind of athletic career does he really have anymore?

And second, why would any agency re-instate him at this point?

Unless there was some behind-the-scenes negotiations.

On the other hand, if he needs the money, and if “admitting” to something doesn’t mean a criminal charge, and since he has already been “convicted” of it anyway, maybe he will feel compelled to “admit” to what he is already punished for, if it allows him to put food on the table.


40 posted on 01/05/2013 12:02:08 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Vision

Lord, I hate fake news. Either admit it or not, don’t waste precious space in my brain with trial balloons. Or if this is completely made up, don’t waste my time trying to get him to admit it, newspeople.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 12:12:19 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Former Fetus

Would it help to know Europeans cheat too?


42 posted on 01/05/2013 12:13:35 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Boogieman

That’s not a perfect analogy, since there actually is a difference between a boss and an underboss, and one is more important to nab than the other, unlike fellow bike riders.


43 posted on 01/05/2013 12:17:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Revolting cat!

I’d rather react to news, than to fortune telling.

We have gotten way too used to taking psychic predictions as if they are things that already happened.

Earlier this week, too many people here were cheering Boehner’s “resignation”, because someone predicted it on Drudge.

Now we are discussing the meaning of an Armstrong admission that hasn’t happened yet.

I doubt deniers would be affected by this type of news. And those of us who really could care less one way or another are still waiting for something definitive.


44 posted on 01/05/2013 12:17:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: grey_whiskers

I’m not sure I follow your logic. I understand how cancer treatment can be painful, but training to be a professional athlete at that level is painful enough. I understand how we respect cancer survivors and pretend they’re heroes, but really it’s more something you have done to your body, or that your body does to you, that you live through. It’s not like an endurance test you heap upon yourself. Not that some people aren’t too weak to face it, or that no one gives up. But it isn’t a feat of strength.

Anyway, I see no correlation between going through cancer treatment and being a world class athlete, psychologically or otherwise. It was just a story, like how so and so was homeless and his dad used to beat him before he went pro. Actually, humble beginnings and lack of prospects is common among professional athletes. But that’s in general, and doesn’t get so specific as, for instance, your brother was killed in a hangman’s shooting and you decided to leave the life, or your grandma needed heart pills so you tried harder in the weight room. Atheletes tend to come from lower socioeconomic strata, is all.


45 posted on 01/05/2013 12:27:34 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: grey_whiskers

You might also assume women can stand more pain after they go through childbirth, but try punching your wife in the shoulder sometime. She won’t take it like a pal. That’s because giving birth is something she had to go through, not something she volunteered to do like the tour.


46 posted on 01/05/2013 12:30:08 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

I know they do! It is the bane of endurance sports! My son runs long distance and it is not pleasant to think that, at a certain point, the choice will be to “cheat” or lose.


47 posted on 01/05/2013 12:30:43 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Tublecane
I know they do! It is the bane of endurance sports! My son runs long distance and it is not pleasant to think that, at a certain point, the choice will be to "cheat" or lose not rank.
48 posted on 01/05/2013 12:33:00 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Armstrong was competing in professional triathlons .


49 posted on 01/05/2013 12:35:16 PM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: Former Fetus

One wonders why they don’t just change the rules. I realize the dangers of steroids, but is blood doping really so bad?


50 posted on 01/05/2013 12:35:55 PM PST by Tublecane
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