Skip to comments.Lives of non-gun owners, women and law enforcement endangered by gun map
Posted on 01/05/2013 9:56:25 AM PST by SmileRight
Evidence is mounting that the map of pistol permit owners, published by New York-based Journal News, could be causing unintended consequences as law abiding citizens are being put in danger, according to a NewsBusters report.
At least two media reports have surfaced with specific references to people who are most vulnerable as a result of the map.
Fox News reports that reformed criminals have said the map can help thieves in two ways. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them, the report says. Also in the report:...
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The Mafia has used public gun registration records to look up police officers and burglar sites for years.
Gun registration works: on guns that are registered. Since machine guns were registered, only one crime has been committed with a registered machine gun. That was committed by a police officer.
Gun registration has no effect on guns that are not registered, and many crimes in the US have been committed with unregistered fully automatic weapons. With gun registration there are powerful incentives for a black market in unregistered firearms.
The Journal Post just did the work that the Mafia normally did for them.
The problem is gun registration in NY.
The proper way to write a gun control law is to add a 20 year, non-plea able term to any felony committed with a gun.
This was done for sawed off shotguns which were popular with criminals, effective, and made ballistic testing difficult.
Result: Letter carriers had to call the local police when they opened their deposit boxes on their routes. The criminals dumped their sawed off shotguns there. No criminal wanted one.
Note the way that works: Long added sentence for a real crime, with the sentence as an item of evidence, sentence not subject to plea bargain.
Honest people are thus not subject to the law. Criminals only, and no special rights for the well represented. Watch as the usual suspects avoid the right answer at all costs.
They knew. They are liable. Gun owners are not public figures.
I don’t think that it is all “unintended consequences.” The more chaos, the bigger the “crackdown” on legitimate gun owners.
Last I heard, they wanted to “double down” and publish some more from another county, but for the bravery of a county clerk/official who was saying ‘no’ & not releasing the info.
This just in from the JournalNews: And all CCW holders have to wear a yellow star. /s
Westchester county used to be a nice place.
The past 20 years have brought waves of wealthy NYC refugees and their liberal thinking. It is now just a political satelite of NYC.
Rockland county is the same thing. Can’t even own paintball or airsoft items in Rockland, no BB Guns, nothing, subject to Arrest on the spot.
Forget about pistol permits. Unless you are connected it ain’t happening. 1 million+ people live in Westchester, how many permits have been issued? What’s the ratio where you live?
Putnam county, that refused to knuckle under, is a VERY different place. (Roger Ailes bought a place there recently) Dutchess county and Orange county have been issuing pistol permits without issue these past few years. with LOTS of youth training & pistol/rifle clubs all over.
It’s right here...
Similar case in NC. NC has a lone wolf assailant law.
Don’t believe NY does.
The Leftist Urinal Spews strikes again.
Can you provide a source for this assertion or are you talking about the "gangster era" before the National Firearms Act of 1934?
Yes, during the closing years of the "Roaring 20s" up until 1934 there was a high crime rate involving fully automatic arms.
Since the passage of the 1934 bill which created the BATF and placed "machine guns" under their supervision the crime rate Re: automatic arms has fallen to near zero.
The only exceptions being a few M-16s smuggled in from Mexico which resulted in the murder of a federal agent (Fast and Furious), and some AK-47s with DIYs conversions used in a botched LA bank job, that's about it for near 80 years.
FBI crime statistics show that the use of "long guns" of any type is a relative rarity. The weapon of choice of the average criminal is a pistol, semi automatic or revolver.
I found it somewhat difficult to determine your position on gun registration. At first it seemed you were advocating blanket registration, then later it seemed you opposed it. It seemed to me that you'd support registration/licensing for "selected classes" of weapons, using the full auto case as an example of a good result. If that is your position I would point that once the camel has his nose under the tent flap, it won't be long until the camel is in the tent. The "anti" gun crowd would cheerfully accept an open ended list to be determined at a later date with the Attorney General adding additional weapons at his discretion. That is not acceptable.
oOmen and minorities hit hardest.
Registration of automatic weapons is like building half a wall to keep the weather out, half a dam to stop a river. It may look good, but it is not so effective. It is not effective because of what was done, but rather, because of what was not done. Why do people ever build half a wall? because half is easy and half is hard. Disarming honest people by law is easy, disarming criminals by law is hard.
Crime with long guns are indeed rare,
(1) partly because fully automatic weapons are hard to control, and in a fighting situation you can’t miss fast enough to win.
(2) partly because fully automatic weapons use ammunition at a horrific rate, and in a crime situation, you have to move to keep the law from catching you.
You are right, I was thinking of the LA robbery, which failed, but there were indeed many crimes committed on that day. Bonny and Clyde had a fully automatic BAR that was cut down, which they obtained at some time from a National Guard armory, but they died in 1934. I also recall the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) used some fully automatic weapons, and no, my understanding is they were not registered. People who use fully automatic weapons to commit crimes normally collect a lot of attention quickly and are quickly put down. Needless to say, after a criminal organization uses fully automatic weapons, a police officer or fireman will normally not endanger themselves to extend first aid.
Since guns are 14th century technology, the only way you can deny guns to criminals is to make the world over in the likeness of the 13th century. I am opposed to that, as would anyone with a passing familiarity of the Froissart Chronicles.
From a purely mechanical point of view it is easier to make a fully automatic weapon than it is to make a semiautomatic weapon. Most fully automatic weapons work by disabling the sear that prevents the hammer/striker from falling as the weapon goes back into battery. Remove or tamper with the sear, and you have a fully automatic weapon. If the sear fails, from tampering or from wear, and you have an automatic weapon. The ATF loves to prosecute honest people who, through no fault of their own, have a sear failure. It is safer than going after real criminals.
A double barrel shotgun with 3 inch chambers can fire 50 each .28 caliber (#1 buck shot) projectiles with two pulls of a trigger. I select #1 shot as my example because it is the smallest that will normally penetrate a human through and through. That is more holes in a target than you can get in an equivalent time with a 30 round magazine.
I am also opposed to denying arms to honest people on moral grounds. It is morally wrong to put obstacles to honest people that do not hinder criminals.
Hope that clears things up.
In the main, yes it does. I find that we are much in agreement.
Whew. I wouldn’t want Gandalf mad at me...
Actually, I'm just a big pussycat...
I figure the Letters of Marque and Reprisal clause indicates the Framers were down with private ownership of crew served weapons. A privately owned cannon with grapeshot is a pretty good approximation of a machine gun, and certainly a privateer (armed merchantman) is a crew served weapon.
I also hold that the “Privileges and Immunities” clause (Article IV) should grant reciprocal carry, say in NY with a VT carry permit.
If I was on a jury, that is how I would vote and what I would recommend to other jurors.
I would also recommend amendment to Title 10 section 311 to add women to the list of people with membership in the unorganized militia.