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Whoops—'Cash for Clunkers' Actually Hurt the Environment
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Posted on 01/05/2013 11:14:51 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Whoops—'Cash for Clunkers' Actually Hurt the Environment Takepart.com – Thu, Jan 3, 2013

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Back in 2009, President Obama’s “Cash for Clunkers” program was supposed to be a boon for the environment and the economy. During a limited time, consumers could trade in an old gas-guzzling used car for up to $4,500 cash back towards the purchase of a fuel-efficient new car. It seemed like a win for everyone: the environment, the gasping auto industry and cash-strapped consumers.

Though almost a million people poured into car dealerships eager to exchange their old jalopies for something shiny and new, recent reports indicate the entire program may have actually hurt the environment far more than it helped.

According to E Magazine, the “Clunkers” program, which is officially known as the Car Allowance Rebates System (CARS), produced tons of unnecessary waste while doing little to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

The program's first mistake seems to have been its focus on car shredding, instead of car recycling. With 690,000 vehicles traded in, that's a pretty big mistake.

According to the Automotive Recyclers Association (ARA), automobiles are almost completely recyclable, down to their engine oil and brake fluid. But many of the “Cash for Clunkers” cars were never sent to recycling facilities. The agency reports that the cars’ engines were instead destroyed by federal mandate, in order to prevent dealers from illicitly reselling the vehicles later.

The remaining parts of each car could then be put up for auction, but program guidelines also required that after 180 days, no matter how much of the car was left, the parts woud be sent to a junkyard and shredded.

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1 posted on 01/05/2013 11:14:56 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I think we all knew this was a bad idea from the start


2 posted on 01/05/2013 11:19:22 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

There was nothing good about the program except to the very few who figured out a way to make money on it. A “hugh” waste of our money.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 11:21:39 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yes, federal mandates are always an excellent substitution for the marketplace. Heaven forbid somebody might actually make a buck recycling the parts. Must have been a kickback from the junkyard shredders in this.
4 posted on 01/05/2013 11:23:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The taxpayers spent about $5 billion. The majority of vehicles sold were from riceburner manufacturers. And now we find out that it harmed the environment.

Yes, another great government program.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 11:24:18 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Past Your Eyes

My buddy came out smelling like a rose with this - he traded in a perfectly good, well maintained American manufactured SUV for a new foreign manufactured SUV with slightly better gas mileage. He is financially VERY well off, conservative, and was happy to rip off the Gummn’t for this Boonedoggle. (Can I say Boonedoggle on FR?)


6 posted on 01/05/2013 11:30:49 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Don’t forget the loss of opportunity for poor people and kids trying to buy their first beater.

It was a disgusting waste.

This is like the joke/theory that proposes that it’s a great idea to break all the windows to give window installers more work.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 11:38:13 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Whoops — the election of Barack Obama actually hurt the country.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 11:42:39 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Sub-Driver

Did ya ever notice that the only person helped by Obama schemes is Obama?


9 posted on 01/05/2013 11:44:12 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I understand the program was a boondoggle but how was it bad for the environment. I know that the vehicle I got rid of vs the new vehicle I got had to be a win win.


10 posted on 01/05/2013 11:45:51 AM PST by Tula Git
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To: Baynative

“Did ya ever notice that the only person helped by Obama schemes is Obama?”

Are you suggesting that Obama is a self-interested, narcissistic politician interested only in his own political fortunes?


11 posted on 01/05/2013 11:46:24 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Sub-Driver

Cash for clunkers was not a waste at all...

at least in the sense that the leftist imagination is the limit for all kinds of programs that have in the past, are doing now, and will in the future, that shred tax dollars, promote deficits, promote govt borrowing, promote money printing, create more problems for future programs to “fix”, and, in general, just all-around growth of government, diminishment of liberty, augmentation of tyranny.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 11:47:59 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Sub-Driver

It was never about the environment, it was about minimizing the potential number of cars available without a brain box.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 11:52:24 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Yup. We exploited it. Traded in an old 1980 Dodge Van and got our son a new car. Yay!!!!! But we knew at the time that it was a bad idea for just about every reason except we got a good deal.


14 posted on 01/05/2013 12:09:12 PM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: Sub-Driver

Talk about ironic: some folks just cannot quite think.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 12:10:44 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Sub-Driver

The only purpose of Cash-for-Clunkheads was to get as many quality used vehicles off the market as possible so that the peasants would be forced to purchase new vehicles from the big-government/big-corporate criminal complex, or give up on personal vehicles and put themselves at the mercy of Eric Holder’s gangsters on “public transportation.”


16 posted on 01/05/2013 12:15:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Yes, federal mandates are always an excellent substitution for the marketplace. Heaven forbid somebody might actually make a buck recycling the parts.

Even worse, heaven forbid that someone who can't afford to trade in their old clunker for a far more expensive new car should have access to inexpensive replacement parts when that old clunker inevitably breaks down.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 12:15:22 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Sub-Driver

Typical feelgood liberal nonsense.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 12:16:11 PM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is the irreparable breakdown of the mind's ability to reason.)
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To: Mercat

“People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent.” (Bob Dylan)

That’s OK. If my 92 Lumina had qualified, I’d be driving an Altima today.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 12:19:53 PM PST by Roccus
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To: GeronL

A bad idea from the start—Only company who prospered was Ford and they were not a part of it. Another give away—we can not keep going this way—what happens when China stops buying out bad paper? What happens if inflation hits like the Weimar Republic. Do we have an American Hitler waiting in the wings to fix things? All we can hope for is a Mussolini or Franco rather than a nut case Hitler.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 12:25:25 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Sub-Driver; All
They weren't "clunkers" -- they were perfectly good automobiles. And my understanding is that they destroyed them by pouring silicone into the engines. That is downright evil.

All in the name of an imaginary cause of "saving the planet," a place we have inhabited for a fraction of a nanosecond so far in the context of time.

Such wanton, willful destruction of useful technology was malevolent in spirit and in deed, catering to the amoral conceit of environmentalism.

21 posted on 01/05/2013 12:52:59 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: gnarledmaw; Marie; All
It was never about the environment, it was about minimizing the potential number of cars available without a brain box.

Holy cow. You're right.

The word "clunkers" in the name is absolutely false advertising. It was done with perfectly good vehicles.

It was morally wicked to wantonly destroy perfectly good things. Plain wicked. As Marie said:

Don’t forget the loss of opportunity for poor people and kids trying to buy their first beater. It was a disgusting waste.

Destroying perfectly good things is morally WRONG. See the fruit it bears.

22 posted on 01/05/2013 1:01:51 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Sub-Driver

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the clunkers “bought” by the program couldn’t be touched for parts.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 1:03:37 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The only purpose of Cash-for-Clunkheads was to get as many quality used vehicles off the market as possible so that the peasants would be forced to purchase new vehicles from the big-government/big-corporate criminal complex, or give up on personal vehicles and put themselves at the mercy of Eric Holder’s gangsters on “public transportation.”

You called it spot on.

It is part of a power grab attempted by a minority.

24 posted on 01/05/2013 1:06:34 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Sub-Driver
I thought the reason so many people jumped on it was to get all those O’Bummer stickers out of sight and off the road.
25 posted on 01/05/2013 1:11:44 PM PST by Gertie
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To: Sub-Driver

As if we didn’t already know that.


26 posted on 01/05/2013 1:13:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jeff Winston
Even worse, heaven forbid that someone who can't afford to trade in their old clunker for a far more expensive new car should have access to inexpensive replacement parts when that old clunker inevitably breaks down.

Lack of replacement parts -- that's another example of what happens when amorality pursues the destruction of perfectly good stuff. It creates strife because it's evil. That alone is reason to overcome the entire "global" mindset behind it.

27 posted on 01/05/2013 1:14:18 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Sub-Driver

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2975230/posts


28 posted on 01/05/2013 2:00:56 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Like any Hitler, Franco or Mussolini would “fix” anything


29 posted on 01/05/2013 2:08:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I pointed that out at the time. Only an idiot whose only real job in his life was scooping ice cream for a few weeks would be so dumb he couldn’t see it.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 2:38:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Tula Git
I understand the program was a boondoggle but how was it bad for the environment.

More "pollution" is generated in the manufacturing process, from materials to actual automobile construction, in the form of energy used and waste by-products than all of the tailpipe emissions of the entire life of a car. By shredding perfectly good autos and all the potential replacement parts contained therein long before the end of their useful service life the original energy and waste by-products expended in their production was used for a much more short term payback.

New materials, parts and cars have to be manufactured from scratch to meet the demand. As the used parts market runs out of replacement parts sooner than normal entire autos will become junk before their useful service life is naturally expended.

As you can see the amount of energy consumed and toxic waste products created was geometrically expanded due to this program. The reduction in tailpipe emissions from trading a 25 mpg car for a 35 mpg car wouldn't even register as a blip on a graph in comparison.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 3:05:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Sub-Driver
...it also drove up the price and supply of used cars. It hurt the low income earners Obama claimed he cared about.

some blogs we reporting the scrap metal went to China

32 posted on 01/05/2013 3:50:54 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Sub-Driver

I have long thought this about liberalism: Liberals are compelled to control everything, and it stems from their belief they are smarter than anyone else. Conservatives understand that you do not need to re-invent the wheel. The problem with reinventing wheels, policies or anything else is that you often make the same mistakes the first inventor did, unless you take extra care to see why those mistakes occurred.

Liberals do not have the humility to understand this. It is why liberals are all socialists to a greater or lesser degree and believe in big, centralized government.

I use the analogy of a jumbo jet flying through the sky on auto-pilot, with no flight crew present, and a passenger opens the cockpit door and enters.

Conservatives would enter the cockpit, look around and take stock of the situation. They might look at the fuel gauge, look at the attitude and get a general feel of the situation. They probably wouldn’t touch anything right away, realizing that there are circumstances where doing something for the sake of doing something can be far more harmful. They might decide to put the headphones on, see if they can communicate with anyone, see if they can hear anything, and so on. They would probably try to find someone who could talk them down, and failing that, might try to figure out if there was anyone onboard with piloting experience.

Liberals would enter the cockpit, look around and scream out “Nobody is flying the plane!” They would jump in the pilot seat, grab the control stick and shout “We have to get this plane on the ground or we’re all going to die!” They might dive the plane towards the earth, looking frantically for an airport, making the assumption that of course, you could fly a plane from the sky “just by looking around, there is the airport over there, let’s get to it!” without realizing that is one of the most difficult things even for veteran pilots who might have the advantage of at least being familiar with the area and comfortable with trying to pick up landmarks from the air. They would dive the plane, then suddenly realize they don’t know how to turn the plane, how to apply rudder or lower the flaps and landing gear (probably wouldn’t even realize those were needed) and would simultaneously realize they had no idea how to stabilize the plane in level flight or re-engage the autopilot. The passengers, feeling the gyrations of the aircraft and knowing something was wrong, would begin to panic, and before you know it, there would be a huge flaming hole in the ground.

It is the same thing with a military campaign, an economic crisis, an environmental issue, solving an education or social problem, or just about anything else you can think of.

Liberals see the levers, dials and controls of something powerful and complicated, and instead of figuring out how they work or even if they work, they make the assumption that no matter what, they can control this better than anyone or anything that controlled it before. They don’t even think that sometimes putting your hands on the levers of something powerful is much, much more damaging than keeping your bloody damned hands OFF of them.

If it is a military campaign, they get in their armchairs and begin looking at the maps, targets and forces involved, pick up the phones and begin issuing orders and edicts to generals. You end up with the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam, Desert One and Mogadishu.

On environmental issues you end up with some kind of foreign species of fish that you brought in from South America to control some other kind of issue, and it ends up destroying the native ecosystem, or on a global scale, you destroy the ability to obtain energy for an energy dependent world because you need to save the existence of the Alaskan Spotted Lugwort. They determined through their “science” that DDT made the egg shells of predatory birds thin causing their populations to decrease, and viewing it as a canary in a coal mine, outlawed DDT, thereby condemning tens of millions of people (or over the years, perhaps even hundreds of millions) to misery and death from insect borne diseases such as malaria. Even worse, you end up with liberals trying to deliberately destroy industry and economies, an attempt to plunge the entire western world into a depression, and they base their desire to do this on “Global Warming”. To sum up this particular angle and encapsulate the liberal mindset on all these issues, but most importantly environmental ones, remember this quote from a feminist wall mural I see in Cambridge, MA: “INDICATION OF HARM, NOT PROOF OF HARM IS OUR CALL TO ACTION”. Look well upon that quote...it sums up liberalism in one compact line.

If it is a economic or social issue, they begin to make policy and throw money at it without even considering for a single damned second if what they are doing is really going to produce the expected result. If it doesn’t help or makes things worse, they simply throw more money and legislation at the issue, without bothering to dismantle the agencies or defund what they did before that failed miserably. In this, you end up with Rent Control (a liberal invention which destroys the availability of affordable housing), Social Security (a liberal invention, a Ponzi scheme on a grand scale that gave people the false security they didn’t have to save for themselves) the Great Society, Welfare, School Busing, declining ability of students and failing schools, disintegration of the family and soon, socialism and Third World Squalor.

And folks, this President, is steeped up to his oversized jug-handled ears in the arrogance and ignorance of Liberalism. He is a racist, socialist and marxist. He believes it to the core, and he is now the most powerful man in the world.

We have a problem.


33 posted on 01/05/2013 5:28:31 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rlmorel

>> We have a problem.

Great essay - thanks for spending the time to put it to paper.


34 posted on 01/05/2013 11:27:47 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi

You are most welcome. FR gives me a medium to say it...:)


35 posted on 01/06/2013 7:12:39 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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