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Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder
WSBtv ^ | 1/4/2013 | unknown

Posted on 01/05/2013 12:16:35 PM PST by middlegeorgian

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.

The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.

But the man eventually found the family.

"The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver," Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

"She's standing over him, and she realizes she's fired all six rounds. And the guy's telling her to quit shooting," Chapman said.

The woman ran to a neighbor's home with her children. The intruder attempted to flee in his car but crashed into a wooded area and collapsed in a nearby driveway, Chapman said.

Deputies arrested 32-year-old Atlanta resident Paul Slater in connection with the crime. Chapman said they found him on the ground saying, "Help me. I'm close to dying." Slater was taken to Gwinnett Medical Center for treatment. Chapman said Slater was shot in the face and neck.

In February, Slater was arrested on simple battery charges, according to the Gwinnett County Sheriff's Office. He has been arrested six other times in the county since 2008.

Kavanaugh was the first reporter at the scene as deputies investigated. The victim's husband told Kavanaugh he's proud of his wife. He was on the phone with her as the intruder broke in.

"My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner," Donnie Herman said.

He said he's thankful for his family's safety.

"Her life is saved, and her kids' life is saved, and that's all I'd like to say," Herman said. Channel 2’s Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach. He said if Slater survives the night, doctors will try to operate in the morning to repair the damage. Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds. Slater is currently being charged with burglary.


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1 posted on 01/05/2013 12:16:41 PM PST by middlegeorgian
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To: middlegeorgian

So guns can be used to protect people? Funny how the DemoQuacks never mention this basic fact.


2 posted on 01/05/2013 12:18:17 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: middlegeorgian

I love a story with a happy ending!


3 posted on 01/05/2013 12:19:45 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: AtlasStalled
According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used by private citizens 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, carjacking and home-invasion, 99% of the time without a shot being fired.

GunFacts.info

4 posted on 01/05/2013 12:20:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks for the data.

I hope that all the facts are getting before the appropriate committees and politicians in state legislators and Congress as the DemoQuacks start introducing their anti-gun legislation.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 12:24:00 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: middlegeorgian
In February, Slater was arrested on simple battery charges, according to the Gwinnett County Sheriff's Office. He has been arrested six other times in the county since 2008.

Another criminal who has no business being out on the streets. He could have killed her and her children if he wasn't armed.

Now he's afraid of dying. Well, he should have thought of that before he broke into her house. Maybe if he lives, this will scare him straight. Maybe not. Probably not.

6 posted on 01/05/2013 12:29:13 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Albion Wilde

Don’t mess with a Mama Grizzly and her cubs!!!!!!!

Headline should read “Woman saves family during Home Invasion!” cause that’s what it sounded like, not a simple burglary...he went after them.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 12:29:37 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: middlegeorgian
And the guy's telling her to quit shooting,"

I love stories with a lot of action.

8 posted on 01/05/2013 12:30:52 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: middlegeorgian

Bet he felt really tough and powerful standing over her and being threatening until she gave him the literal “In Your Face” retort.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 12:34:31 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: middlegeorgian
The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

Too bad she didn't have a semi with a 15, or a 30, round magazine. Some people would like to be sure that nobody does, not her and not anybody else either. Well, except for the bodyguards or Secret Service agents protecting *them*, of course.

10 posted on 01/05/2013 12:34:31 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: middlegeorgian

I hope he gets saved before he dies. On the other hand, I think the fine citizens of Georgia have been burdened enough already.


11 posted on 01/05/2013 12:36:22 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: middlegeorgian

The Feel-Good story of the week! I love a story where they ask a crime victim why she shot the scumbag criminal x number of times and they say, “Becuase that’s all the bullets that were in the gun.”


12 posted on 01/05/2013 12:39:09 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: middlegeorgian

“Help me. I’m close to dying.”

OK, but first let me finish lunch and pick up my dry cleaning.

If this were Washington, DC, she and the kids would either be dead because they couldn’t protect themselves, or mom would be in jail for possessing a weapon.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 12:43:47 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: middlegeorgian

Poor woman, if she had only had one of those high capacity mags that Queen Nancy wants to outlaw, this guy would be history.


14 posted on 01/05/2013 12:46:32 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: middlegeorgian
One more reason I have absolutely no use for wheel guns. When I've pumped out six rounds of .40 I still have eight more left. Plus, I have a spare mag with 13 more rounds. Running out of ammo during a firefight has to be an awful feeling that I don’t ever want to experience.
15 posted on 01/05/2013 12:47:23 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: middlegeorgian

Gun-control advocates say this never happens.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 12:51:56 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: middlegeorgian

thank God the innocent are all safe. and a small thank you to her husband, who probably took careful steps to prepare his wife and family for this eventuality.


17 posted on 01/05/2013 12:55:09 PM PST by dadfly
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To: AlaskaErik

But what about the .357 “death-ray of doom?”

;o)


18 posted on 01/05/2013 12:57:39 PM PST by papertyger
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To: dadfly
thank God the innocent are all safe. and a small thank you to her husband, who probably took careful steps to prepare his wife and family for this eventuality.

Maybe NOW she'll consider what he REALLY wanted to get instead of that peashooter.

19 posted on 01/05/2013 1:00:22 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Albion Wilde

“I love a story with a happy ending!”

Another Amishman in the hospital with multiple holes.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 1:04:25 PM PST by vette6387
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To: papertyger

or some better ammo. that’s a lot of exit wounds.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 1:08:43 PM PST by dadfly
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To: AlaskaErik

One more reason I have absolutely no use for wheel guns. . .
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My wife carries a wheel gun, she can’t handle a slide and likes the reliability, but, she practices every other week. Her carry ammo is hollow point and they are hot loads. Her feeling is that if she can’t do it in three shots she shouldn’t be shooting. She is a better shot with her Ruger than I am with my Kel-Tec. I would hate to have to face her in a fire fight.


22 posted on 01/05/2013 1:09:48 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: middlegeorgian
Channel 2’s Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.

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GUN CONTROL....

Well done, ma'am..... sa-a-a-a-alute!

23 posted on 01/05/2013 1:13:04 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: vette6387
... in the hospital with multiple holes.

Perp needed a new ventilation system. Got one free!

24 posted on 01/05/2013 1:13:19 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: dadfly

No kidding. I don’t want my home intruder conversational after two, let alone five rounds.


25 posted on 01/05/2013 1:14:42 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: papertyger

A .38 is a peashooter? The British Army used the .38/200 for six decades. Works fine.


26 posted on 01/05/2013 1:31:44 PM PST by ketelone
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To: dadfly
She hit him five times out of five, hit him in the head and neck, and he went down, but he's not dead. This suggests she was not using a load with much stopping power. Her husband had better revisit this subject. Believe me, this this mama bear only has to hit somebody even once, and he would be stopped. For good.
27 posted on 01/05/2013 1:33:20 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: middlegeorgian
To the gun control crowd (I know you are not here but my fellow FReepers can pass it on), you need to remember this mantra; When seconds count, the police are minutes away!"

Unless you can station police on every corner (what a nightmare), the ability for self-defense is a right that the well secured elite want to take from us! Strangely enough, the same mindset that wants to remove this ability for self defense to prevent a very rare mass attack, is the same one that says it is better to release a thousand criminals to prevent a single innocent from unjust punishment.

Add to this the failure of logic that supposes "gun free zones" to be safe while never noticing the utter lack of violence at gun ranges.

28 posted on 01/05/2013 1:54:48 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence but it is the road to our ruin!)
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To: middlegeorgian
This is not a ‘simple break in’ to steal valuables.

The woman was hiding in the attic with children, yet the perp hounded and found her.

‘Shot 5 times and survived with multiple punctured stuff’ is better than being shot dead. Let him suffer.

Hope the hospital staff not give him pain killer.

29 posted on 01/05/2013 2:06:25 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: middlegeorgian

Good for her, get her a new 9mm.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 3:57:17 PM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: All
This is why their opportunistic rhetoric about law abiding citizens having blood on their hands is the opposite of what is true.
They are the ones with blood on their hands, the blood of past and future crime victims who are not allowed to exercise their right to defend themselves. They shed no tears and offer no remedies when the weakest members of our society are preyed upon.
Three lives were saved yesterday in Loganville, Georgia and the silence from the MSM is deafening.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 4:33:21 PM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: ketelone
A .38 is a peashooter? The British Army used the .38/200 for six decades. Works fine.

A .38 IS a peashooter. The 380/200 (the official designation) is not even a .38 special - it's the old .38 S&W or .38 short. It was a post-WWI downgrade from the .455 Webley because the new troops (after the WWI decimation) couldn't handle the .455.

I own and shoot both a .455 (a great revolver!) and a 380/200, and the latter is pathetic. Elmer Keith referred to it as a "pipsqueak" and he was (as usual) absolutely correct. It has less muzzle energy than a .380/9mm kurz with JHP and relatively hot loads. Absolutely the only good thing about it is that it is quite accurate, and in the Enfield revolver has no recoil whatsoever.

It was adopted in 1922 and decommissioned in 1963. So only 40 years. 40 wasted years, if you ask me.

This courageous lady probably had a .38 Special revolver as that is what folks generally get in the U.S. by default. Given the through-and-through wounding, she probably had roundball ammo in it. Would do better with JHP or safety slugs, if that's all the recoil she can stand.

She may decide to upgrade, and given that she scored multiple solid hits and the guy was still talking and ambulatory, that might be a good plan. If he had been drugged up or psychotic, it might not have stopped him.

32 posted on 01/05/2013 4:38:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Oh Jeez Effin Louise!

All you "experts" who Monday Morning QB and complain that "She Should Have" a bigger weapon, more rounds, hotter rounds, and on and on....

Did it ever OCCUR to you that her weapon and her rounds where what she IS COMFORTABLE with? And if she is comfortable with it, she CAN AND DID HIT THINGS!

My ol girl has RH really bad. A +P would probably break her wrist. With a .38, she can get one, maybe two rounds to go in the same direction. After that, HIDE, because lead is on the loose everywhere.

So she uses a .22 auto with hyper velocity hollow points. And she can hit the crap out of anything she aims at. I don't care who the hell you are, you get hit by a swarm of Yellow Jackets, you are going to break off the fight and run, if you can.

The main point here is everyone is DIFFERENT. And that difference dictates a person's "choice" of weapon. So just because it works for YOU, doesn't mean it will work for HER or anyone else.

Bottom line, use what you are comfortable with. Hitting the target is FAR more important than all the other physics out there.

This girl done good. Five hits out of five rounds ended the fight. And that's all that really counts. If she had had a big cannon, loaded with ammo she couldn't control, she would have blasted the wall behind the guy and he would have taken her.

Pulp Fiction anyone?

BTW, the venerable .38 has put a lot of scum in the ground.

(AmericanMom, not blasting at you, please don't take it personal, just using your post to point out that as each of us are unique, so too is our choice of weapon.)

33 posted on 01/05/2013 5:21:33 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Did it ever OCCUR to you that her weapon and her rounds where what she IS COMFORTABLE with?

yes it did mr. know-it-all. The problem you don't seem to be able to get through your head is those who take firearms seriously do not accept "lucky" as an successful resolution to a use of deadly force.

Any swinging richard can come up with an exception to good doctrine, but by-in-large you're suppose to refine your doctrine to what works best: not piss and moan about the after action analysis.

34 posted on 01/05/2013 7:03:11 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Sir Napsalot
Hope the hospital staff not give him pain killer.

If he got shot 5 times and still managed to flee in his car, I think he must have been high on something. PCP?

35 posted on 01/05/2013 7:11:58 PM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: COBOL2Java
If he got shot 5 times and still managed to flee in his car, I think he must have been high on something. PCP?

Five rounds that don't incapacitate you WILL spike your adrenaline....guaranteed; most especially if you know you've been hit in vital areas.

36 posted on 01/05/2013 7:18:11 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Darksheare

Need to take up a collection and buy this lady some expanding or prefragmented rounds.....them solids go plumb through a body and cause too much mental anguish for the perp.


37 posted on 01/05/2013 9:38:46 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (That Queer Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: papertyger

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Who said anything about “luck?”

And how do you, mr. know-it-all yourself, KNOW she hadn’t trained?

That blather about doctrine is just that.


38 posted on 01/06/2013 7:37:11 AM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ottbmare

For all the folks arguing caliber....

Placement is darn near everything. You can shoot a guy in the head with a 45, but if the bullet blows off part of his cheek, it won’t kill him. You can put 15 rounds of .40 into someone, and if you haven’t hit an artery or the CNS, they may live. You can put a 44 magnum thru the guy’s heart, and he’ll have enough blood left in his brain to shoot you back for 15-30 seconds.

With handguns, there is no certain one shot stop. Not unless you put the bullet thru the brain - and Gabby Giffords is proof that even THEN it isn’t a sure thing!

I sometimes carry a 5 shot 22 because it is tiny and better than a can of mace. I prefer to carry a 5 shot 38 because I can actually CONCEAL it on my body when it is 100 deg out.

For home defense, I prefer either my 7-shot 357, or my SINGLE ACTION 6-shot 357...because they are fun to shoot so I shoot them a lot. I gave my Ruger 45 acp away a few years ago because I had owned it for 20 years and still had the original box of ammo. When facing a bad guy in your home, it isn’t the time to try to remember if you took the safety off, or to have something in your hand you haven’t shot in 3 years.

Very compact guns with more power than a 38 are tough to shoot well. That is why a very compact gun isn’t the optimum for home defense. But the lady did well. She hit the target. Apparently none of the rounds hit a critical spot...but she got the job done. And NO ONE can guarantee a one shot stop with a handgun.

Those who like shooting semi-automatics and are good with them? Great! They are fine guns and excellent self-defense weapons. But they are not a substitute for being comfortable with the gun, good at shooting it, and HITTING what you are shooting at. Too many cops have sprayed too many bullets for me to believe the semi-automatic is THE solution for all people.


39 posted on 01/06/2013 7:58:39 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: S.O.S121.500
She needs a rifle.

Handguns are what you use when you can't have a rifle.

In the home I might use a handgun to investigate a "bump in the night," so I can use a telephone and open doors, but if I KNOW there's an intruder in the house, I will have an AR-15.

There is no practical reason to limit one's firepower to a .38 revolver in the home. An AR is far easier to shoot than any handgun.

Although it was nice that the perp chose to bleed out all over his car rather than mess up that nice lady's house.

40 posted on 01/06/2013 8:00:38 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Mr Rogers

There have been various stories about where she hit him, so I don’t know what the truth is. You’re quite right that placement is everything. But for home defense, I have a 12-gauge Mossberg. If an intruder comes into my house, I do not need to shoot five times to stop him.


41 posted on 01/06/2013 10:57:13 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: S.O.S121.500

Glaser safety slugs sound painful enough if you can find them.
Frangible round that is designed not to overpenetrate.


42 posted on 01/06/2013 12:04:50 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: ottbmare

You are right. Shotguns trump handguns big time for home defense. I should have mentioned my personal favorite, although I rarely keep it loaded, is a 44 Magnum lever action rifle. Very maneuverable, 10 shots, firing a 240 grain bullet at well over 1800 fps. Light recoil...

But still, a shotgun trumps my carbine.


43 posted on 01/06/2013 12:05:10 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Darksheare

Some info on Glaser stuff:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=237381

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-ammunition-ballistics/106990-glaser-safety-slugs.html


44 posted on 01/06/2013 12:16:42 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yes, she probably had a .38 special. My granddad carried a Webley Scott Mk III in WW II, as an officer with the British-Indian Army in action against the Japanese, in Burma. It wasnt standard issue (Its really a pocket revolver), but he’d been gifted it by his own father, a civil servant in the British Indian government, and it held emotional value for him. It seems to have served him fine, though I shouldnt neglect to mention that he also had with him a .303 lee enfield rifle.


45 posted on 01/06/2013 12:23:48 PM PST by ketelone
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Conrad, my lamb:

Read more carefully. I said: "Given the through-and-through wounding, she probably had roundball ammo in it. Would do better with JHP or safety slugs, if that's all the recoil she can stand."

Most people (there are always exceptions) can become accurate with more recoil than they think. Practice is the key.

But I always advise friends that if they (1) can't handle recoil; and (2) don't want to practice, get a .38 revolver.

I do think after this experience, this lady will probably decide to upgrade her sidearm, and at a bare minimum upgrade her ammo. .22s have killed more people than any other caliber, but when the chips are REALLY down and there are a couple of bad guys, or one high on PCP or bath salts, the odds are against .22 getting the job done.

46 posted on 01/06/2013 2:44:01 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ketelone
Sidearm that you're fond of and good with is a good thing to have.

Rifle is also a good thing. Shotgun is also a good thing, as General N.B. Forrest would testify.

47 posted on 01/06/2013 2:46:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ottbmare
She hit him at least once in the face.

On the local radio, the Loganville police spokesman was reporting (with ill-concealed glee) that Mr. Perp left a number of his teeth scattered on the floor.

I agree with you re the shotgun. When the panic was on here (two armed robbers escaped into the woods behind our house, and the police deployed on the opposite side of the woods . . . ) I put my kids into their beds and told them to stay there, and took up a position between our woodpile and the house wall with my grandfather's Light 12 Browning stuffed full of No. 2 buck. That shotgun is a punisher, but judging from my experience deer hunting, if I'd had to shoot I would never have felt the recoil. But since that time we sold the Browning and got a nice Rem 870 pump and an 1148 auto.

(Cobb's finest brought out the K-9s and nobbled the guys within ten minutes. Good on 'em.)

48 posted on 01/06/2013 2:52:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mr Rogers
True story:

My dad was Officer of the Day one time in Italy during WWII. They had a GI confined who was accused of rape of an Italian civilian, and he made a run for it.

Dad yelled at him to halt, he didn't, so dad shot at him with his 1911A1. He aimed at his feet, but he pulled his shot and the bullet hit the guy right in the back of the head.

It did knock him off his feet and out cold - but when they turned him over they found that his skull was so hard that the bullet had traveled around the top of his skull under the skin, and had lodged right between his eyes like a plum in a pudding. Except for two small wounds and a nasty headache, he was in good shape to stand his trial.

Of course it was roundball ammo.

There's always an element of chance involved, and a hit with a .22 is better than a loud miss with a .44 (as Colonel Jeff Cooper said, may he rest in peace). And then you have the velocity versus bullet weight debate, which will never end. But all other things being equal, better to carry the most muzzle energy you can tolerate.

Police and "spray and pray" is another whole argument, but when I was 15 years old I was a lineboy for the Atlanta Police Helicopter Squad, back when they all carried the .38 revolvers loaded with "Reggie Pellets". I used to go shooting with them (with my mama's .32 S&W revolver). I could outshoot the whole lot of them except for the guy who was a gun collector and competitive shooter.

49 posted on 01/06/2013 3:01:50 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL,

Thanks for the reply. I really like the lamb part, my bros got a kick out of it.

Maybe you missed the parting line of my post. I was NOT taking issue with what you said. I just used your post as an avenue to blast the swinging... you know the types. Sorry if it seemed to be hitting you.

Training for recoil is fine for healthy, young people. Get over the hill where I live and bad things happen to bones.

I like your advice to friends about revolvers. I do the same, its sound advice.

But, osteo, rheumatoid, fibro arthritis are cripplers and even the mild recoil of a standard .38 can cause loss of control. First shot, hand caves, weapon drops on ground, bad,bad,bad. Seen it happen too often.

I hear what you are saying about the efficacy of .22s against a drugged out zombie. On the other hand, the chances of getting mugged around here by someone on bath salts or meth is kinda low.

The typical idiot around here is a lazy no good looking for fast food. An old lady blazing away with stingers looks mean and sounds meaner. All they see is that ripping long muzzle flash and the ear splitting noise of a .22 LR coming out a way too short barrel, and the average outcome is peed pants and a poo trail.

When its all said and done, .22 beats nothing at all.

Have a good one.


50 posted on 01/06/2013 3:19:57 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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