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GOP scrambles to fix its primary problem (by stacking the deck against Conservatives)
Politico ^ | January 4, 2013 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 01/05/2013 1:50:07 PM PST by Timber Rattler

The disastrous 2012 election and embarrassing fiscal cliff standoff has brought forth one principal conclusion from establishment Republicans: They have a primary problem.

The intra-party contests, or threat thereof, have become the original sin that explains many of the party’s woes in the minds of GOP leaders. It’s the primaries that push their presidential nominees far to the right (see “self-deportation” and “47 percent”); produce lackluster Senate candidates (Todd Akin has almost become a one-word shorthand); and, as seen most vividly in the last two weeks, dissuade scores of gerrymandered House members from face-saving compromise while politically emasculating their speaker.

What to do about the primaries has become Topic A in many a post-election Republican soul-searching session, and now the first steps are being taken to address the issue. For Senate Republicans, that means a modified return to their 2010 posture of openly playing in primaries. A retiring House Republican is starting a super PAC to help House members challenged from the right. And an RNC commission is mulling over changes to the party’s presidential primary.

(Excerpt) Read more at dyn.politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gop; gope; nomorerinos; norinos; primaries; republican; rino; sayno2rinos
As many of us predicted during the ABO-Romney fiasco, the GOP-E is blaming Conservatives for losing, and is now moving to freeze us out of the process altogether.
1 posted on 01/05/2013 1:50:12 PM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

People need to get to your state conventions in force and replace your RNC committeemen. A few hundred votes is usually enough to get it done.

As for the tea party costing the election. A lot more tea partiers won than lost.


2 posted on 01/05/2013 1:53:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Timber Rattler

I think the GOPe has come to the conclusion that if they offer the freeloaders more handouts and offer citizenship to the illegal aliens, they won’t need their base to win elections. The GOPe is going to get in a race with the commie Democrats to see who can create the BIGGER government.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 1:55:27 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I think the GOPe has come to the conclusion that if they offer the freeloaders more handouts and offer citizenship to the illegal aliens, they won’t need their base to win elections.”

You’re right, but they will never “out-freebie” the Dems. The Dems are notorious for having no expectations of anyone, and it has crafted this image for generations. The Repubs are wasting their time; see that they’re not wasting our money as well. In the end, all politicians (from either party) are government workers, and behave accordingly: self-preservation is their driving purpose.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 1:58:04 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Timber Rattler

The GOP openly declares war on conservatives. Lets see how well that works out for them. Ha ha


5 posted on 01/05/2013 1:58:36 PM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Apparently CWII.1 is going to be between the GOPe and the TP.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 1:59:08 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Timber Rattler

Time to leave them. Now.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 1:59:56 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Timber Rattler

You said it. Exactly.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 2:00:14 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Timber Rattler

The Fascists have agreed with the Socialists that to follow the Constitution or to make and live with a budget will not make them rich or famous.

So America is screwed by both sets of traitors.

Good thing there is a Hell.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 2:02:28 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Matthew 25

7 “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps.
8 Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’
9 “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were gone to buy oil, the bridegroom came. Then those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was locked.
11 Later, when the other five bridesmaids returned, they stood outside, calling, ‘Lord! Lord! Open the door for us!’

12 “But he called back, ‘Believe me, I don’t know you!’


10 posted on 01/05/2013 2:02:55 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Timber Rattler
.... Republican leaders are planning to intervene in selected [Senate] 2014 races to ensure preferred candidates win the nomination.

The preferred GOP-e compliant moderate squishes as opposed to Tea Party patriots.

11 posted on 01/05/2013 2:03:22 PM PST by MissMagnolia (.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Ted Cruz.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 2:03:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Timber Rattler

I do not believe there will be another Repub President thanks to the GOPe (Steele: The GOP needs a hip-hop makeover), their anti-conservative stance, liberal MSM and HollyBabylonWood. Steele is gone but the idiocy remains.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 2:06:56 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Timber Rattler

The Republican Party has shown that it is not the answer


14 posted on 01/05/2013 2:11:08 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

We need solid conservative candidates who can complete a sentence without sticking their big fat foot in their politically clueless mouth.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 2:12:53 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: Paladin2

We will and must crush them!
The GOP is done and needs to be replaced with the Tea Party.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 2:12:53 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: RS_Rider
The GOP is done and needs to be replaced with the Tea Party.

I agree that the GOP is done. It's principal purpose seems to be to reelect incompetents incumbents. We have seen how that works.

However, the "Tea Party" is not a political party and it is not useful to pretend that it is. Call it anything you wish, but we need an actual party, capable of putting conservative candidates on Federal, State and local ballots and helping them to win elections.

I have heard lots of moaning and groaning, but have seen precious little movement in that direction. Will we wait until January of 2016 to get started? That's not a great way to proceed.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 2:27:49 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: Timber Rattler

I didn’t leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me.

There is one party that comes in two flavors. There is a radical, fast track flavor. There is a slightly less radical, slightly slower flavor.

They both taste bad.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 2:30:02 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Todd Akin was Michelle Bachmann’s and Mike Huckabee’s choice, but not the choice of the tea parties.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 2:40:39 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Timber Rattler
The US government is flat out broke and fiscally failed. They cannot allow an honest person to ever hold the office of President again. An honest person would tell Americans that the federal gravy train is off the tracks. A true conservative is going to have integrity and they wont lie about the economic situation.

So the RINO's put forth the false flag that conservatives cost them the election. The truth is that the DINO RINO Oligarchical crooks cannot allow a law abiding honest citizen to ever assume the office of Presidency.

20 posted on 01/05/2013 2:47:05 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Timber Rattler

The GOP fight against Conservatives will only make the GOP weaker.

How do Republicans think they will get elected if there aren’t enough of us left in the party to elect them. They are committing political suicide by fighting Conservativism.

I know I am ready to leave, Just waiting for somewhere to go, The GOP has left me.There are thousands like me and they are creating more every day. If GOPe leaders expect to get elected in the future they better start thinking about becoming the democrats they really are or they will find themselves standing in the rain with nothing over their heads.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 2:50:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: DanMiller

I agree and we must take the Tea Party to the next step.
We have 2 years ahead of us and I hope that it is made use of.
Anyone who thinks that the GOP is salvageable has not been paying attention for the past several years. It’s time to take the grass roots movement national.


22 posted on 01/05/2013 3:02:06 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: DanMiller

We can’t beat the GOP on a level field but we can keep picking them off and putting people who represent us in GOP seats.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 3:09:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Timber Rattler

We also have to deal with the collaborators who talk about being tea partiers but happily work to destroy them.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 3:14:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
We can’t beat the GOP on a level field but we can keep picking them off and putting people who represent us in GOP seats.

In the increasingly unlikely event that there is a GOP candidate who represents us, by all means we should vote for and otherwise support him. If there isn't, we need to have the means necessary at least to try to have someone who does represent us beat the GOP candidate.

That requires a party structure. With only a few victories in that at the State and Federal levels, there may be a fair chance to begin to turn the GOP more in our direction and thereby to get a more level playing field.

25 posted on 01/05/2013 3:33:33 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: Timber Rattler
I don't think it's just antipathy against conservatives. I think the GOP is a closed group, a bunch of assholes who don't really care about winning, or expanding their base.

I have lived in NE Ohio as an adult for 35 years. I have been a registered republican all that time. I am still waiting for the first invitation from the Ohio GOP to come attend a meeting, get involved, volunteer, whatever. Clearly, the GOP couldn't care less about grass roots members. Their GOTV effort was a pathetic abortion. That in a nutshell, btw, is why Romney ate shit in November.

26 posted on 01/05/2013 3:36:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Timber Rattler

We need a new party, one that voluntarily imposes term limits on itself.


27 posted on 01/05/2013 3:36:58 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Timber Rattler

We have the choice between federal (commie) socialists and local (fascist) socialists. And we have another choice: neither. Be frugal, and save. Let them default. Laugh at every one of them going through foreclosure and leaving. Let them each throw the usual tantrum. It will be the political/regulator class that will riot, obviously (as seen in Greece and other places). Prepare to take some time out at home, when they do.


28 posted on 01/05/2013 3:39:34 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DanMiller
That requires a party structure. With only a few victories in that at the State and Federal levels, there may be a fair chance to begin to turn the GOP more in our direction and thereby to get a more level playing field.

That's exactly why we've got to get out to the state conventions and change the policy making structure. We also need to recognize when compromise is and isn't advantageous.

Last spring in Michigan a coalition of tea partiers, GOP conservatives, and libertarians removed progressive republican Saul Anuzis from his RNC seat and replaced him with GOP conservative Dave Agema. Nobody got a touch down but the ball was advanced a considerable distance and all involved were happy with it.

Michigan is also putting a considerable number of tea partiers in at the state and county level. My state representative (Mike Shirkey) didn't run as a tea partier but he's definitely behaving like one and was the guy who introduced right to work legislation and lots of other good stuff.
29 posted on 01/05/2013 3:46:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SC_Pete
We need a new party, one that voluntarily imposes term limits on itself.

Exactly!

I suggested that here just a few days after the election debacle.

Rather than try to keep incumbents perpetually in office, the New Party should do the reverse: there should be no New Party support for any House incumbent’s reelection after he has served one, or perhaps two, terms as a member of the New Party. Being a CongressCritter should not be a career; it should be a brief period of service to the country — perhaps four years for members of the House and six years for Senators — followed by return to being a private citizen. If, following that period, he wants to run again, New Party support should depend on what he did while in office and what he did when he got back home. Was he effective in promoting New Party principles while in office? Good. Did he go to work with or for a company at which he had shoveled pork while in office? Bad. Did he spend much of his leisure time talking with former and hopefully future constituents to probe their views as well as give them his? Good. Did moral shortcomings or too many “gaffes” cause him to fall on his face and become unelectable? Bad.

The idea obviously needs to be fleshed out, but it's a start. Now, we need some folks capable of doing something about it.

30 posted on 01/05/2013 3:48:24 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I think the GOPe has come to the conclusion that if they offer the freeloaders more handouts and offer citizenship to the illegal aliens, they won’t need their base to win elections. The GOPe is going to get in a race with the commie Democrats to see who can create the BIGGER government.

BINGO! They have gone the way of the Press...they are NOT what they used to be...merely a poor corrupted shadow dancing on the walls of Marxism while the flames of statism consume our Constitution.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 3:50:18 PM PST by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: Timber Rattler
Translation into non-Senate speak: The big-money establishment Republican super PACs like American Crossroads need to serve as a counterbalance in primaries to conservative outfits such as Club for Growth and former Sen. Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund.

I know what side I'm on, and thanks to these competing groups I'll know which candidates to vote for and which ones NOT to vote for.

32 posted on 01/05/2013 3:56:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: hinckley buzzard

“I think the GOP is a closed group, a bunch of assholes who don’t really care about winning, or expanding their base.”

Artfully stated and dead on accurate too. They have been this way for a long time.

Reagan was an anomaly in the GOP stream of insipid, tired mush. Someone like Reagan will NOT be allowed to rise again in the Rockefeller/Rove/Romney GOP. Never.

Time to bolt.


33 posted on 01/05/2013 4:01:44 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Timber Rattler

If you think conservatives were ever part of the process in the beginning you are delusional.Were you one of those people who claimed that romney was the only candidate that could/would beat obumer?


34 posted on 01/05/2013 4:14:07 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DanMiller
In the increasingly unlikely event that there is a GOP candidate who represents us, by all means we should vote for and otherwise support him.

Precisely.
Absolutely NO MORE holding my nose and voting 'R'.
I did not vote for Romney, and I will not vote for the next Romney, or the one after that. Never again.

35 posted on 01/05/2013 4:16:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DanMiller

I think 2 terms for Congress and 1 term for the Senate is great. However, I would not want ANYONE elected for thart office again. A congressman coukd run for the senate—but not for congress again. Term limits would apply at the local and state levels as well. Professional politicians are the problem.


36 posted on 01/05/2013 4:20:33 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: ansel12

Todd Akin was Michelle Bachmann’s and Mike Huckabee’s choice, but not the choice of the tea parties.
**********************************************************************
Yep, I wish Sarah Palin’s pick (Sarah Steelman) had won the primary—she’d be Senator Steelman today.


37 posted on 01/05/2013 4:42:35 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: SC_Pete; Lancey Howard
Great!

So when, where and how are we going to do something about it?

38 posted on 01/05/2013 5:07:42 PM PST by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
Were you one of those people who claimed that romney was the only candidate that could/would beat obumer?

Absolutely not. I never got on board with RINO Romney, nor with ABO. I went from Palin to Santorum (lukewarm) to 'None of the Above' on election day.

39 posted on 01/05/2013 5:16:24 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Psalm 144
Reagan was an anomaly in the GOP stream of insipid, tired mush. Someone like Reagan will NOT be allowed to rise again in the Rockefeller/Rove/Romney GOP. Never.

Exactly and I have shouted that for years.

40 posted on 01/05/2013 5:24:53 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Timber Rattler

There are no political solutions to the problems that the USA faces. So what the GOP does now is just a fart in the wind. The die is cast there will be blood at some point and a solution will be found probably on the battlefield of CWII.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 5:34:59 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: vmivol00

“The GOP openly declares war on conservatives. Lets see how well that works out for them.”

It will work out just as it did this time except their liberal man will win the primary faster based on their “new” plan and conservatives will do as they did this time and vote for him, and that includes most Freepers, and he will lose just as this one did.

I can hear it now - “You Freepers HAVE to vote for the liberal R or you are voting for Clinton (or whomever)”, “Clinton (or whomever) thanks you for your vote.”

I can say right now with gusto - I don’t vote for liberals.

The Repubican Party is no longer a conservative party and that is the truth.


42 posted on 01/05/2013 5:48:58 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: DanMiller

Here’s a good place to start:

http://pblumel.blogspot.com/

Philip Blumel, US Term Limits

http://termlimits.org/


43 posted on 01/05/2013 6:47:44 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Timber Rattler
As many of us predicted during the ABO-Romney fiasco, the GOP-E is blaming Conservatives for losing, and is now moving to freeze us out of the process altogether.

It seem like the Left infiltrated the GOP and then became the GOP-E. No way they "evolved" from conservatism.

44 posted on 01/06/2013 3:00:39 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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