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Democratic Rep: Debt-ceiling blank check is like Emancipation Proclamation
daily callr ^ | 1-5-13 | Nicholas Ballasy

Posted on 01/05/2013 5:21:10 PM PST by TurboZamboni

Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.

“Sometimes when we’ve gotten great answers is when presidents have had enough authority to take some actions,” Davis told TheDC on Capitol Hill Friday. “I mean, remember that we just celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, and if Abraham Lincoln had not had the power, authority and the will to make that decision, we may have gone on with the war that was going to last several additional years and much longer, and thousands and thousands of people could have and would have, in all probability, lost their lives.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bankrupt; broke; ceiling; davis; debt; democrats; trillions
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1 posted on 01/05/2013 5:21:20 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Why have a debt ceiling if anyone can raise it on a whim?


2 posted on 01/05/2013 5:24:22 PM PST by doc1019
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To: TurboZamboni

The EP didn’t do a thing.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 5:26:09 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The nation positively can NOT survive idiocy of this breathtaking magnitude.
4 posted on 01/05/2013 5:26:27 PM PST by tomkat (-/\/\/\-)
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To: TurboZamboni
“Sometimes when we’ve gotten great answers is when presidents have had enough authority to take some actions,”

What kind of moron yearns to live under a dictator?

5 posted on 01/05/2013 5:26:42 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: TurboZamboni

A fool who would trade his freedom for some government cheese...


6 posted on 01/05/2013 5:27:56 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: TurboZamboni
Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.

Anybody think this buffoon would say BS like this if there was a Republican in the White House? This clown is sick.

7 posted on 01/05/2013 5:28:01 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: TurboZamboni

Would be fine and dandy except that those powers are enumerated in the constitution to the US House of Representatives.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 5:30:23 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: TurboZamboni

http://www.davis.house.gov/

Yep, member of the `Lord & Savior’ club.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 5:31:29 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: TurboZamboni
The idiot......


10 posted on 01/05/2013 5:32:45 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: TurboZamboni
In the interest of full disclosure:


             

11 posted on 01/05/2013 5:34:00 PM PST by tomkat (-/\/\/\-)
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To: doc1019
"Why have a debt ceiling if anyone a fool can raise it on a whim?
12 posted on 01/05/2013 5:34:32 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: tomkat

It’s just incredible, isn’t it? Just when you think they can’t get any worse, here comes Danny Boy


13 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:08 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: Dallas59

Shocker.


14 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:30 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Feel free to amend The Constitution. Then your Boy King can use his Caesar powers and declare himself a savior.

Keep using your 1st amendment to blow people away with your fallow intellect.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Dallas59

Joining the hall of fame

“Raising the flag on mars.” And

“The island would sink.”


16 posted on 01/05/2013 5:35:54 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: TurboZamboni
free at last, free at last, thank God I have someone else's credit card!

LOL!

17 posted on 01/05/2013 5:36:28 PM PST by livius
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To: FlingWingFlyer

EP freed the slaves only in the Confederate States that had seceded from the union. No controlling legal authority to enforce it other than the war in progress.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 5:36:37 PM PST by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: TurboZamboni; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

It’s like running out the door with your mama’a pocketbook.

You may have fun spending it now, but your butt is going to be sore before too long writing checks your a$$ can’t cash.

Add this to the America 2013 STUCK ON STUPID ping list.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 5:40:23 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SkyDancer
The EP didn’t do a thing.

It effectively kept England from entering the War on the side of the south, which may have been the main reason for its issuance.

20 posted on 01/05/2013 5:41:06 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: TurboZamboni
This guy is an avowed racist, and member of the socialist democrat party. One of his quotes:

“(T)he white female often gives the black man certain kinds of recognition that the black woman oftentimes does not give him."

21 posted on 01/05/2013 5:42:29 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: RightWingConspirator

People still think it is a misguided attempt to salvage the economy. It is an OUTRIGHT LOOTING of the nation’s wealth, plundering TRILLIONS of dollars and handing it out to special interests (some of which may come back to the DNC or Big Daddy Sugar at some future date).


22 posted on 01/05/2013 5:42:29 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: BenLurkin

anything for the brotherhood.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 5:44:55 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I saw the Spielberg movie “Lincoln”. Everyone I said this to said I was nuts but I don’t think I am.

That movie is a VERY subtle propaganda piece for omumumba.

These are perilous times - this is Germany of 1933 and the newly elected chancellor is well on his way to consolidating his power. We see coordinated attacks in the press against conservatives, republicans and gun owners. We see coordinated attacks by union goons. We see putatively intelligent editorial writers calling for the formal abandonment of the constitution. And now this movie which everyone told me was “just an historical movie” is actually an invitation to dictatorship. I am really scared for my country and for people like us.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 5:46:12 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: tomkat

Should it?


25 posted on 01/05/2013 5:47:47 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: BenLurkin
What kind of moron yearns to live under a dictator?

Leftists! Who was the Obama crony who said that one of her two favorite political philosophers was Mao... And then there was that idiot writer for the NY Times, Thomas Friedman who longed for living in a dictatorship, like Communist China. And then don't even get me started about the NY Times and Walter Durante's hiding Stalin's systematic genocide of the Ukraine...

Mark

26 posted on 01/05/2013 5:47:47 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: TurboZamboni
How is setting people free equivalent to enslaving them in debt?
27 posted on 01/05/2013 5:50:04 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: BenLurkin

An Illinois Democrat. But wait-—why have a Congress at all?

Obama just makes his own laws, and we haven’t had a Budget for years. why ar we paying these a-holes


28 posted on 01/05/2013 5:53:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: TurboZamboni

Just because Lincoln did it, doesn’t make it right.


29 posted on 01/05/2013 5:57:16 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

Look into the crystal ball. What do you see? I see Venezuela.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 5:59:12 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s like handing over your checkbook to a three-year old.


31 posted on 01/05/2013 6:05:32 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Weimar.

I see Weimar.

Then, the Butcher of Benghazi comes for us.


32 posted on 01/05/2013 6:05:32 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: TurboZamboni
That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and be forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

The Emancipation Proclamation applied only to people held as slaves in states that were in rebellion against the United States. To free slaves in states that were not in rebellion against the United States, a number of amendments to the Constitution had to be passed.

Is the good Congressman suggesting that the enforcement of the debt ceiling constitutes an act of rebellion against the Unites States, thereby giving Obama the power to void the debt ceiling?

33 posted on 01/05/2013 6:09:25 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: TurboZamboni
Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.

Historically challenged Rep Davis should know that the Emancipation Proclamation only pertained to states then at war with the United States.

34 posted on 01/05/2013 6:18:55 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Through the woods and over the cliff ....)
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To: Michael.SF.

Maybe. It was just a proclamation. Nothing behind it. Lincoln could just have made a speech saying the same things.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 6:28:26 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: TurboZamboni


36 posted on 01/05/2013 6:42:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: TurboZamboni
Why not give OBama the authority to decide all court cases, too?

-PJ

37 posted on 01/05/2013 6:48:25 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Since Davis is advocating for an overthrow of the Constitution, the question I have is simply this:

Is Davis willing to fight and die to overthrow the Constitution that he has been sworn to defend and protect?


38 posted on 01/05/2013 6:49:48 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: oldbrowser
“(T)he white female often gives the black man certain kinds of recognition that the black woman oftentimes does not give him."

He has a point there; most people prefer fresh sushi as well.

39 posted on 01/05/2013 6:50:22 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

And take away Holder’s job?


40 posted on 01/05/2013 6:51:44 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Why should he wait on Obama?

He should just go out and start spending as much money as possible himself and not worry about it. Go ahead. Nobody is stopping him. Knock himself out.


41 posted on 01/05/2013 6:56:49 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: TurboZamboni
DC is burning and the emperor is fiddling as usual.
42 posted on 01/05/2013 7:08:15 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: TurboZamboni

Free is when you don’t have to pay for nothing or do nothing.


43 posted on 01/05/2013 7:10:33 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: TurboZamboni

>Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nation’s debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority. <

At least this Obama toady is only in the Illinois legislature as opposed to Congress. Is he that uneducated he does not understand the concept of checks and balances in our federal structure? I’d say that would be a most definite “yes”.


44 posted on 01/05/2013 7:10:49 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: MarkL

It was that sweetheart Anita Dunn who uttered that cra* and she slunk back into the shadows. Seems they do the most harm from behind the curtain, pull it back and there is that idiot Cass Sunsteen and his charming wife Suzanne powers et al....


45 posted on 01/05/2013 7:25:36 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: TurboZamboni
These idiot Dem's need to focus on a few key facts.

Most of this country's debt is relatively short term (i.e. not ten or twenty year bonds).

Interest and debt service on the debt is one of the largest components of the federal budget (assuming we had a budget).

Interest rates could increase dramatically if rating agencies lowered the US credit rating. See what is happening in the Eurozone. The federal government has been told that debt as a percentage of gross domestic product needs to be managed and that there needs to be a sustainable plan to pay for and manage the national debt.

What this means is that if we just spend and borrow more the credit rating will go down and the cost of borrowing will skyrocket to the point that huge cuts in spending beyond anything that politician or the public will stomach. Look at the “austerity riots and protests in many Eurozone countries.”

46 posted on 01/05/2013 8:50:22 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: vbmoneyspender
The Emancipation Proclamation applied only to people held as slaves in states that were in rebellion against the United States. To free slaves in states that were not in rebellion against the United States, a number of amendments to the Constitution had to be passed.

Not really. By the time 13A went into effect, slaves remained in bondage only in KY (about 50,000) and DE (something <200). All others had previously been freed either by state action or by the Emancipation Proclamation.

The true incentive for 13A was not the relatively few remaining slaves in KY, it was the possibility (quite reasonably grounded) of a legal challenge to the legality of the Emancipation Proclamation. While Lincoln could proclaim anything he wanted, this did not of itself give the Proclamation legal and constitutional validity.

While in retrospect it seems unlikely the post-war SCOTUS would have rule the EP unconstitutional, it was a genuine concern at the time.

47 posted on 01/05/2013 11:04:39 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: TurboZamboni
if Abraham Lincoln had not had the power, authority and the will to make that decision, we may have gone on with the war that was going to last several additional years and much longer, and thousands and thousands of people could have and would have, in all probability, lost their lives.”

I think it debatable whether the EP had any direct influence on the course of the war, other than its ending the possibility of European intervention.

48 posted on 01/05/2013 11:10:40 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: doc1019
Why have a debt ceiling if anyone can raise it on a whim?

Until now, they've gotten away with the last 4 years by not having a budget - all those continuing resolutions did was allow them to keep adding pork and slush-fund money to the deal and cost us an extra trillion or two.

49 posted on 01/06/2013 3:37:07 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 2banana

“A fool who would trade his freedom for some government cheese...”

Or his birthright for a bowl of lentil soup...nothing new under the heavens.


50 posted on 01/06/2013 7:02:24 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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