Skip to comments.Democratic Rep: Debt-ceiling blank check is like Emancipation Proclamation
Posted on 01/05/2013 5:21:10 PM PST by TurboZamboni
Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nations debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority.
Sometimes when weve gotten great answers is when presidents have had enough authority to take some actions, Davis told TheDC on Capitol Hill Friday. I mean, remember that we just celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, and if Abraham Lincoln had not had the power, authority and the will to make that decision, we may have gone on with the war that was going to last several additional years and much longer, and thousands and thousands of people could have and would have, in all probability, lost their lives.
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Why have a debt ceiling if anyone can raise it on a whim?
The EP didn’t do a thing.
What kind of moron yearns to live under a dictator?
A fool who would trade his freedom for some government cheese...
Anybody think this buffoon would say BS like this if there was a Republican in the White House? This clown is sick.
Would be fine and dandy except that those powers are enumerated in the constitution to the US House of Representatives.
Yep, member of the `Lord & Savior’ club.
It’s just incredible, isn’t it? Just when you think they can’t get any worse, here comes Danny Boy
Feel free to amend The Constitution. Then your Boy King can use his Caesar powers and declare himself a savior.
Keep using your 1st amendment to blow people away with your fallow intellect.
Joining the hall of fame
“Raising the flag on mars.” And
“The island would sink.”
EP freed the slaves only in the Confederate States that had seceded from the union. No controlling legal authority to enforce it other than the war in progress.
It’s like running out the door with your mama’a pocketbook.
You may have fun spending it now, but your butt is going to be sore before too long writing checks your a$$ can’t cash.
Add this to the America 2013 STUCK ON STUPID ping list.
It effectively kept England from entering the War on the side of the south, which may have been the main reason for its issuance.
(T)he white female often gives the black man certain kinds of recognition that the black woman oftentimes does not give him."
People still think it is a misguided attempt to salvage the economy. It is an OUTRIGHT LOOTING of the nation’s wealth, plundering TRILLIONS of dollars and handing it out to special interests (some of which may come back to the DNC or Big Daddy Sugar at some future date).
anything for the brotherhood.
I saw the Spielberg movie “Lincoln”. Everyone I said this to said I was nuts but I don’t think I am.
That movie is a VERY subtle propaganda piece for omumumba.
These are perilous times - this is Germany of 1933 and the newly elected chancellor is well on his way to consolidating his power. We see coordinated attacks in the press against conservatives, republicans and gun owners. We see coordinated attacks by union goons. We see putatively intelligent editorial writers calling for the formal abandonment of the constitution. And now this movie which everyone told me was “just an historical movie” is actually an invitation to dictatorship. I am really scared for my country and for people like us.
Leftists! Who was the Obama crony who said that one of her two favorite political philosophers was Mao... And then there was that idiot writer for the NY Times, Thomas Friedman who longed for living in a dictatorship, like Communist China. And then don't even get me started about the NY Times and Walter Durante's hiding Stalin's systematic genocide of the Ukraine...
An Illinois Democrat. But wait-—why have a Congress at all?
Obama just makes his own laws, and we haven’t had a Budget for years. why ar we paying these a-holes
Just because Lincoln did it, doesn’t make it right.
Look into the crystal ball. What do you see? I see Venezuela.
It’s like handing over your checkbook to a three-year old.
I see Weimar.
Then, the Butcher of Benghazi comes for us.
The Emancipation Proclamation applied only to people held as slaves in states that were in rebellion against the United States. To free slaves in states that were not in rebellion against the United States, a number of amendments to the Constitution had to be passed.
Is the good Congressman suggesting that the enforcement of the debt ceiling constitutes an act of rebellion against the Unites States, thereby giving Obama the power to void the debt ceiling?
Historically challenged Rep Davis should know that the Emancipation Proclamation only pertained to states then at war with the United States.
Maybe. It was just a proclamation. Nothing behind it. Lincoln could just have made a speech saying the same things.
Since Davis is advocating for an overthrow of the Constitution, the question I have is simply this:
Is Davis willing to fight and die to overthrow the Constitution that he has been sworn to defend and protect?
He has a point there; most people prefer fresh sushi as well.
And take away Holder’s job?
Why should he wait on Obama?
He should just go out and start spending as much money as possible himself and not worry about it. Go ahead. Nobody is stopping him. Knock himself out.
Free is when you don’t have to pay for nothing or do nothing.
>Democratic Illinois Rep. Danny K. Davis told The Daily Caller that President Obama should have the power to raise the nations debt ceiling without congressional approval, citing the example of President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation as a good use of presidential authority. <
At least this Obama toady is only in the Illinois legislature as opposed to Congress. Is he that uneducated he does not understand the concept of checks and balances in our federal structure? I’d say that would be a most definite “yes”.
It was that sweetheart Anita Dunn who uttered that cra* and she slunk back into the shadows. Seems they do the most harm from behind the curtain, pull it back and there is that idiot Cass Sunsteen and his charming wife Suzanne powers et al....
Most of this country's debt is relatively short term (i.e. not ten or twenty year bonds).
Interest and debt service on the debt is one of the largest components of the federal budget (assuming we had a budget).
Interest rates could increase dramatically if rating agencies lowered the US credit rating. See what is happening in the Eurozone. The federal government has been told that debt as a percentage of gross domestic product needs to be managed and that there needs to be a sustainable plan to pay for and manage the national debt.
What this means is that if we just spend and borrow more the credit rating will go down and the cost of borrowing will skyrocket to the point that huge cuts in spending beyond anything that politician or the public will stomach. Look at the “austerity riots and protests in many Eurozone countries.”
Not really. By the time 13A went into effect, slaves remained in bondage only in KY (about 50,000) and DE (something <200). All others had previously been freed either by state action or by the Emancipation Proclamation.
The true incentive for 13A was not the relatively few remaining slaves in KY, it was the possibility (quite reasonably grounded) of a legal challenge to the legality of the Emancipation Proclamation. While Lincoln could proclaim anything he wanted, this did not of itself give the Proclamation legal and constitutional validity.
While in retrospect it seems unlikely the post-war SCOTUS would have rule the EP unconstitutional, it was a genuine concern at the time.
I think it debatable whether the EP had any direct influence on the course of the war, other than its ending the possibility of European intervention.
Until now, they've gotten away with the last 4 years by not having a budget - all those continuing resolutions did was allow them to keep adding pork and slush-fund money to the deal and cost us an extra trillion or two.
“A fool who would trade his freedom for some government cheese...”
Or his birthright for a bowl of lentil soup...nothing new under the heavens.