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Obama Is Planning A Major Push On Guns, And One Democratic Senator Is Already Calling It 'Extreme'
TBI ^ | Brett LoGiurato

Posted on 01/06/2013 2:32:30 PM PST by blam

The White House Is Planning A Major Push On Guns, And One Democratic Senator Is Already Calling It 'Extreme'

Brett LoGiurato
Jan. 6, 2013, 1:40 PM

The White House's task force led by Vice President Joe Biden is considering expansive proposals to tackle the nation's gun violence, something that is already drawing early condemnation from even Democratic lawmakers.

The Washington Post reported Sunday that the group headed by Biden is preparing to go far beyond a simple reinstatement of the expired assault weapons ban:

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

But on Sunday, newly sworn-in Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat from North Dakota, called the reported proposals "way in the extreme" and cautioned that they would not pass if brought together in a comprehensive bill.

"Well, I think you need to put everything on the table," Heitkamp said on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."

"But what I hear from the administration — and if The Washington Post is to be believed — that's way, way in extreme of what I think is necessary or even should be talked about. And it's not going to pass."

It's an especially strong rebuke from the Democrat Heitkamp, who comes from a red-leaning state and earned an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association. The Post reported that the White House plans to bypass trying to earn support for the measure from the NRA, instead turning to businesses like Wal-Mart for support.

On "This Week," Heitkamp said that there should be

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: 2ndammendment; banglist; firearms; guncontrol; guns; heidiheitkamp; northdakota; obama; secondamendment
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Saddle up, here they come.
1 posted on 01/06/2013 2:32:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

This is going to end badly for the gun grabbers.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 2:35:16 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: blam

If they overreach, they won’t even have the votes in the senate


3 posted on 01/06/2013 2:35:40 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: blam

Obamugabe will do this, while simultaneously committing some other anti-Constitutional move. We will focus on his hatred for the 2nd Amendment and only find out later the other activity he did that destroyed liberty.

He is calling attention, on purpose, to this move so that we won’t see something else coming.


4 posted on 01/06/2013 2:38:09 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: blam
The reason Obama wants our guns is to make the "final solution" easier.

Anybody who doesn't see that coming is blind.

5 posted on 01/06/2013 2:39:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: SoFloFreeper
He'll overreach at first and we'll be relieved to take what he offers later.

Or at least thats his plan.

6 posted on 01/06/2013 2:41:15 PM PST by skeeter
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To: blam
Even Canada gave up the effort.

""A sixth claim is that the data in the long-gun registry are too valuable to be destroyed. Unfortunately, the many errors and omissions in the registry vitiate its utility. The RCMP testified to the auditor-general that they could not rely on it in court. Recent information shows that many errors remain despite the best efforts of the Canadian Firearms Program.

Immense problems similarly have been reported concerning the accuracy of the South African firearms registry and the now-abandoned New Zealand long-gun registry.

The RCMP has reported error rates between 43% and 90% in firearms applications and registry information. " "

Then there is the non-compliance of the law abiders not to speak of the gang-bangers.

7 posted on 01/06/2013 2:41:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: blam

This has never been intended to pass, matter of fact it has be designed to fail.....all to set up conservatives as extreme and so the kenyan can issue multiple executive orders that will eventually declare all guns are illegal......and thus can be confiscated.


8 posted on 01/06/2013 2:43:57 PM PST by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: blam
stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools

They have alredy lost before they even start because the Supreme Court has already ruled that the federal government has no authority to institute a "gun free zone" around schools.

9 posted on 01/06/2013 2:44:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: blam
From "The Ten Commandments"
10 posted on 01/06/2013 2:44:24 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Obama wants to lose in the House. This is only the start with immigration amnesty, more tax hikes, etc. to paint the House as against the will of the people and run for a democrat House 2014 where he can pass his radical agenda.


11 posted on 01/06/2013 2:45:52 PM PST by AU72
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To: ohiobuckeye1997
Agreed.
12 posted on 01/06/2013 2:46:55 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: blam
Why is Sen. Heidi Heitkamp....a Democrat?

Maybe Heidi needs to ask herself that.

13 posted on 01/06/2013 2:49:34 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

But they still claim them........


14 posted on 01/06/2013 2:50:52 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: blam

Dictator POS. One person cannot do this to a “free” country. Or whats left of our freedom.


15 posted on 01/06/2013 2:51:28 PM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: blam

I lean more towards “Lock and load, here they come” - takes me back to earlier days. Different enemy though. Who would have thought my greatest enemy would be my own government?


16 posted on 01/06/2013 2:51:44 PM PST by notatard?
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To: AU72

I don’t think the electorate will ever get within a hundred miles of speakerette of the house nancy pelosi. At least not with that weazen old man leading the senate and the messiah still in the white house


17 posted on 01/06/2013 2:53:50 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: blam

I saw a graphic that read something like, ‘I saw a movie one time when only the government had guns: Shindler’s List.’


18 posted on 01/06/2013 2:54:00 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: notatard?

“Who would have thought my greatest enemy would be my own government?”

Those among the Founders who wanted “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” in the Bill of Rights.


19 posted on 01/06/2013 2:55:03 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks blam.
...would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors... newly sworn-in Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat from North Dakota, called the reported proposals "way in the extreme" and cautioned that they would not pass if brought together in a comprehensive bill.
IOW, no committee assignments for her.


20 posted on 01/06/2013 2:55:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: crosshairs

It won’t be just one person. Obama will be backed by tens of millions of his supporters and the world as a whole.


21 posted on 01/06/2013 2:59:45 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: blam

The scheme is to bring “overwheming” force in the form of business, Walmart, corporations, media and Lefty American outcry against us, to practice indoctrination and propaganda techniques for other items on their communist agenda, coming down the road.

Fundamental change is certainly rolling up our culture, politics, media, thanks to PUBLIC EDUCATION.


22 posted on 01/06/2013 3:00:10 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Tens of millions? So, I guess they will be heavily outnumbered.


23 posted on 01/06/2013 3:01:41 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: notatard?
Who would have thought my greatest enemy would be my own government?

Thomas Jefferson, et. al.

24 posted on 01/06/2013 3:03:17 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: blam

I’d be a lot more worried about this if Biden were’t in charge.

He strikes me as being too dumb to find his butt with both hands and the lights on......


25 posted on 01/06/2013 3:04:00 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: skeeter
He'll overreach at first and we'll be relieved to take what he offers later. Or at least thats his plan.

I agree. But, it is time to stand tough on this one. No more compromises....none.
26 posted on 01/06/2013 3:05:30 PM PST by Girlene
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To: blam

“A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said. “

OK...what “key law enforcement leaders”? Holder?
And, just how do you intend to establish and populate a “national database” of firearms?
And, of course stricter penalties for carrying firearms near schools would have avoided the tragedy in CT...

Good to see a dhimmicrap that recognizes this for the tripe that it is. But, we all need to raise our voices, loud and long. Burn up the phone lines to your elected representatives at ALL LEVELS. Tell them to leave the Second Amendment alone, and get the hell out of our gun safes.


27 posted on 01/06/2013 3:07:41 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: blam

One thing to keep in mind, this will only be one of many rounds on this. They may try for a home run on this - for gun control, registration etc - then “settle” for a single or a double. No way, no compromise on our rights, none. We don’t give an inch. We don’t “have to give them something.” So be vigilant, they don’t really expect this to fly, they’re really after anything they can get in a so-called “compromise.”


28 posted on 01/06/2013 3:08:51 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Sarabaracuda
Obama will be backed by tens of millions of his supporters and the world as a whole.

Here you are on another firearm thread, fretting about conservatives not kneeling to the almighty government.

Your grasp of logistics leaves much to be desired.

Put on your big girl panties, and get conservative, or get gone.

/johnny

29 posted on 01/06/2013 3:09:58 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paladin2

“Why the long-gun registry doesn’t work — and never did”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did/


30 posted on 01/06/2013 3:14:09 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: blam

The media reports all this as “the bill WILL ban ...this and that” where it should honetly, at most, say “the bill would”.

They want to stampede us into hysteria when they know it takes both houses of Congress plus President’s auto-pen, then Courts take a whack at it. The same USSCT majority which recently upheld individual right to bear arms should hold.

Meanwhile Dingy Harry has said that no gun bills will come up in Senate. Sure he could change his mind. But he has a long record of being NRA’s “bitch”. They support and endorse him, we all get madder than a wet het, but he stays bought. Nevada is still a pro-gun state.

True, we cannot count on Boehner for anyting, but I think the NRA has withstood the media blitz over the Sandyhook crisis opportunity for the gun grabbers.

Gabby Giffords and Jim Brady can rail all they want but neither was shot with an assault rifle. Brady was hit with a .22!


31 posted on 01/06/2013 3:15:04 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: blam
With apologies for taking the topic slightly sideways, IIRC, it was none other than the NRA who refused to give support to Angle during her race against Reid for Nevada Senator (apparently attempting to curry favor with Mister Reid) who was alleged to be something of a 2nd Amendment supporter (hah!).

Unless I missed something, Mister Reid, who has always seemed like a true weasel's weasel to moi, seems most reluctant to call Mister Obama's push on guns as "extreme" or anything at all negative, n'est ce pas?

.

32 posted on 01/06/2013 3:16:26 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


33 posted on 01/06/2013 3:16:45 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Sarabaracuda

“It won’t be just one person. Obama will be backed by tens of millions of his supporters and the world as a whole.”

Good. Then we’ll have them where we want them. Enemies in all directions. That eliminates the concern for the dangers of receiving ‘friendly fire’ from any quarter.


34 posted on 01/06/2013 3:19:56 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: Sarabaracuda

His supporters are mostly metrosexual wussies that have never served in the military, hunted, or worked in any manly profession. They can stamp their feet and throw a hissy fit, but they can’t beat us by force.
Obama’s supporters cannot hope to prevail in a dirty war.

The “occupy” movement, where they posted those photos of messages, held in front of their sad little faces, is as rough as they’ve ever had it.

As for the rest of the world, i double dog dare him to bring foreign troops here to enforce so much as a traffic ticket. NO, i triple dog dare him!
Foreign soldiers doing -any- action against Americans can be shot on sight. I cannot find anything, anywhere, that states the American people must ever tolerate foreign troops arrayed against us, -here-.
Unarmed disaster relief, like handing out water, driving a bulldozer, or flying a rescue helicopter, fine. Training on a base as our friendly guests, like the Luftwaffe flying jets in the desert southwest, perfectly fine.

But conducting law enforcement, COIN, or gun grabbing raids (even in a support role) makes them an instant legitimate target.


35 posted on 01/06/2013 3:20:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: blam

In September, 1994, Congress passed an assault-weapons ban. Less than two months later, an historic election took place which returned control of Congress to the Republicans after decades of wandering in the wilderness.

A chief sponsor of the 1994 ban was Senator Dianne Feinstein, who is now leading the effort to pass another similar ban this year.

The most intensely active voter-base organization of the Republican party is the NRA, and crazy Dianne wants to take them on again?!

The Republicans maintained control of Congress until two years after the NRA’s goal was achieved — expiration of the 1994 assault-weapons ban without renewal. Having nothing to fight for, the NRA was not active in the 2006 elections, when the Democrats regained Congress. But now that Dianne Feinstein wants to bring them back into the fray, what can Republicans do but encourage her? Please, Senator, go ahead. Make our day.


36 posted on 01/06/2013 3:20:23 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: From The Deer Stand

37 posted on 01/06/2013 3:24:51 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: JohnBrowdie
If they overreach, they won’t even have the votes in the senate

That's why God created Executive Orders.

38 posted on 01/06/2013 3:24:56 PM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: Sarabaracuda
Obama will be backed by tens of millions of his supporters and the world as a whole.

It's not so much what you don't know that will get you in trouble. It's what you know that ain't so.

39 posted on 01/06/2013 3:26:10 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Farmer Dean

No kidding, the hunting and shooting argument is loosing. It’s about defending us from tyrannical government. Right now we need the 2nd amendment more than anything. The lefties know it. Gun laws will never pass the house.


40 posted on 01/06/2013 3:30:04 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: From The Deer Stand
Don't know why the link didn't go through. Let's try again...

https://twitter.com/ChristiChat/status/287926826217652225/photo/1

41 posted on 01/06/2013 3:31:52 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: From The Deer Stand
"I saw a graphic that read something like, ‘I saw a movie one time when only the government had guns: Schindler’s List.’ "

That's golden! I am going to use that one!

42 posted on 01/06/2013 3:33:06 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: blam; All

Just wonder which GOP will side with Obama on this new Gun Control Facism......you know there will be some. Look at all the liberal PhonyCons starting to support Illegal Alien after the election


43 posted on 01/06/2013 3:40:25 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: blam

Razamataz to divert attention away from the spending crisis.
Also, the real reason to nominate Hagel, to create a diversion from the spending crisis


44 posted on 01/06/2013 3:47:05 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: KrisKrinkle
Placing it second only to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

Great post, Kris.

45 posted on 01/06/2013 3:49:08 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: blam

Is she related to Shirley Temple?


46 posted on 01/06/2013 3:52:02 PM PST by bandleader
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I would just like to remind everyone that although Biden is an idiot and a laughingstock, he's EXTREMELY dangerous when it comes to gun control. He's one of the "Big 3," the only one still in government, who used to push for confiscation of all handguns. Biden, along with John Chaffee and Howard Metzenbaum, were among the most dangerous politicians ever elected, when it comes to destroying personal rights.

Mark

47 posted on 01/06/2013 3:52:45 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: blam

Oh no, no, no, no, no, only Republicans be extreme.


48 posted on 01/06/2013 4:06:35 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Get ready to look behind the curtain, the a##clown magician is going to throw out the smoke screen aka “gun ban legislation” while he pushes, passes or executive orders something unconstitutional.


49 posted on 01/06/2013 4:20:24 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart, Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: JohnBrowdie
If they overreach, they won’t even have the votes in the senate

Did you think Obama would get Obamacare passed? He did.

Did you think Obama would get Obamacare past the Supreme Court? He did.

Did you think Obama would get re-elected with the sorry state of the economy? He did.

It makes absolutely no difference what has happened historically. It makes absolutely no difference what used to be common knowledge. It makes absolutely no difference what used to be impossible.

With Obama, all bets are off.

We dismiss his efforts and underestimate him at our peril.

50 posted on 01/06/2013 4:20:55 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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