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Why push for gun control has stalled
nypost.com ^ | 6 January, 2013 | STEPHEN L. CARTER

Posted on 01/06/2013 6:15:53 PM PST by marktwain

Support for stricter gun laws hasn’t jumped as fast or as far in recent weeks as many liberals had hoped and expected. If you’re wondering why, maybe the reason is the shakiness of the public’s trust in government itself.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; awb; banglist; guncontrol; newtowm; newtown; sandyhook; secondamendment; trust; youwillnotdisarmus
The public does not trust a government that repeatedly lies to them? A government that bailes on its allies and appologizes to its foes? A government that does not respect the Constitution and the rule of law? A government that deliberately refuses to pass a budget?

How can this be? In the progressive/regressive liberal mind, government is god.

1 posted on 01/06/2013 6:16:11 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

While the gov’t and gun grabbers (the chattering class) are screaming for more gun control, the public at large is out buying guns in the biggest buying frenzey we’ve ever seen. Over 16 million additional guns have been added in the last 4 years. Seems to be a real disconnect here.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 6:22:19 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

Every time a Grabber screams,

an angel gets his Wingmaster


3 posted on 01/06/2013 6:24:56 PM PST by digger48
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To: marktwain
They are just beginning to get the message that we finally realize that we are turning into a communists dictatorship and we will end it sooner that they realize. Armed and ready.
4 posted on 01/06/2013 6:25:23 PM PST by Logical me
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To: marktwain

The liberal mentality, although promoted by an obnoxious and vocal crowd, remains a minority amongst the broader population. Any attempt by the liberals in power to shove gun control down the throats of the American public would turn out the masses that the Republican party has not been able to inspire to the voting booths. This would bring about a revolution, and we would win this battle - hands down.


5 posted on 01/06/2013 6:26:43 PM PST by RobertClark (It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we'r)
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To: marktwain

Why I don’t doubt Obama’s desire to grab our gun, I think a lot of this bluster is Obama’s desire to distract the public from his lousy economy.


6 posted on 01/06/2013 6:29:48 PM PST by Obadiah (Flirtin' with Disaster)
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To: marktwain

I think that there’s a certain segment of the left that is so absorbed with “instant gratification” that they thought Øbongo would simply wave his hand and it would be the law of the land.


7 posted on 01/06/2013 6:29:51 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain

Perhaps it is because the last time gun control was on a roll in the 1990s it ran smack dab into 19 moslem hijackers armed with boxcutters.

Suddenly all those people against guns realized they just might need one after all.


8 posted on 01/06/2013 6:31:21 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: digger48

too funny! Thanks for the humor on a dreary winter’s eve...


9 posted on 01/06/2013 6:31:29 PM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: marktwain

I would rephrase the question. Is it that the public does not trust the government, or that the public is actually afraid of their government, and is unwilling to support even more power grabs by it?

October 13, 2010 - (Gallup) 59% percent of American voters say government has too much power. 8% too little power. They also noted that from 2003 to 2010, the number who believed government had too little power only varied from 6% to 8%.

July 16, 2012 - About 66% of American voters say government has too much power in the United States, according to a Rasmussen Poll released Monday. (Only 8% believe the government is too small.)

The clear trend is *not* a lack of trust in government. Fear is the issue. About two-thirds of Americans are afraid of their government, because it has too much power.

How can you trust someone obsessed with gaining more and more power over your life?


10 posted on 01/06/2013 6:31:29 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: digger48

That was good.


11 posted on 01/06/2013 6:33:54 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Obadiah
And the smaller paychecks that everyone will be seeing soon.

Obama promised. Wait until Obamacare kicks in and costs are passed to consumers.

12 posted on 01/06/2013 6:34:59 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: All

he’s going to make his SOTU speech about guilting republicans into raising taxes and banning guns.. or “balanced ways yo lower the deficit” and “common sense gun regulations”..


13 posted on 01/06/2013 6:37:12 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: digger48

Oh, that is FUNNY as h#ll.


14 posted on 01/06/2013 6:37:43 PM PST by technically right
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To: Obadiah

Distract?

Certainly, from the evil blood trails from Fast & Furious, Benghazi and the betrayal of all quasi-allies we had in the Middle East.

If the right powers that be want Obozo removed, there is certainly enough there to get it done. Problem is, the Globalist B_tards want everything he wants. They want the U.S. destroyed and capitalism with it. They prefer Fascism with the winners determined by government connections.

Obozos a Liar and he serves the father-of-lies.

FUBO! and your “masters”.


15 posted on 01/06/2013 6:38:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

My doctor always gently chided me for my interest in guns.
Until 9/11.
Then he asked what to get.


16 posted on 01/06/2013 6:40:04 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: marktwain
Grabbers threaten to ban standard capacity magazines and modern sporting rifles, and the public responds with the single largest stampede on guns and magazines this country has ever seen.

Hopefully some of these panic buyers are also voters...

17 posted on 01/06/2013 6:40:44 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: marktwain
Well, if we are discussing fantasies, here's mine:

Zero does go forward with gun control. One hell of a fight ensues. Spurred on by an overwhelming ground swell of outrage, the Republicans suddenly find their spines and their ‘attachments’, and stop zero in his tracks.

Spurred by this victory, they go forward with real budget cuts, and engage and defeat zero on on other issues as well.

Well, I did say fantasies didn't I?

18 posted on 01/06/2013 6:40:53 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: digger48

Every time a toilet flushes,
Another liberal gets his brains.


19 posted on 01/06/2013 6:41:02 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: digger48

or his Winchester....


20 posted on 01/06/2013 6:41:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: digger48
I scared the catz out of the room, I laughted so hard.

/johnny

21 posted on 01/06/2013 6:41:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

Maybe Obamalamadingdong will gain public trust in his third or fourth term.


22 posted on 01/06/2013 6:42:48 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: marktwain
Some DOJ, BJS Statistics:

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Why is the 8.0% the only concern?

Where is the concern for the 72.9%?
23 posted on 01/06/2013 6:47:48 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: marktwain

I think the media is backing off because they were stirring up pro-RKBA forces.

By keeping quiet while the states and dozens of Federal agencies plus Congress lay their plans without their every move being watched and their phones ringing all day.


24 posted on 01/06/2013 6:57:56 PM PST by DBrow
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To: marktwain
The democrats want us disarmed so that

instead of the 2 .5 million home invasions it is 10 million home invasions per year in America. compare that to the less than 100 killed in mass shootings per year. the media uses the fluke, the statistically nonexistent to make it seem like it happens all the time . what happens is burglaries, rapes(many not with guns), assaults by the hundreds of thousands per year each

instead of 400,000 women raped per year it is million
s

instead of hundreds of thousands of children, raped ,murdered and tortured per year it is millions.

compare that to the non-existant less than 100 killed mass shootings

40,000 Americans die in car accidents etc

but the main reasons democrats want to take away our gun rights is to empower government, make us slaves of the government, take away our individual rights and so that we can't defend against a tyrannical government.

25 posted on 01/06/2013 6:58:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: rockrr
they thought Øbongo would simply wave his hand and it would be the law of the land.

So did Obongo.

26 posted on 01/06/2013 6:59:16 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: marktwain
“Trust us, we’ll protect you,” isn’t a very persuasive case to make to the tens of millions of Americans who have guns in their homes. And directing fury at gun owners for their lack of trust isn’t likely to increase their faith in government.

Trust communists and congenital liars? Suuuuure, I will!

27 posted on 01/06/2013 7:02:18 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: marktwain

“One plausible explanation is a lack of trust in the people who would be doing the regulating.”

Sorry, but someone who even hints this might be possible fundamentally fails to understand the purpose of the Second Amendment nor the relationship between the citizen and the federal government.

The Second is not to be traded for assurances that our overlord will respect our liberties after we give up the means to overthrow them. They made that mistake in Cambodia, and the Worker’s Paradise, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the Jews did not fare very well under National Socialism if I recall correctly.

(I had the honor of knowing a Jew who had escaped from a concentration camp in southern Germany and spent the remainder of the war in Switzerland. He was kind enough to show me the prisoner number tattoo on his arm. I know the spirit that put them there. That same spirit is in some of the people in power today.)


28 posted on 01/06/2013 7:11:49 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain

It’s about control. We support control of our own destiny. Those who take that away are an enemy that must be stopped. Fired at a minimum.


29 posted on 01/06/2013 7:15:46 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: marktwain
Support for stricter gun laws hasn’t jumped as fast or as far in recent weeks as many liberals had hoped and expected.

Oh no! They are not wasting a crisis are they?

30 posted on 01/06/2013 7:29:50 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“How can you trust someone obsessed with gaining more and more power over your life?”

But they just want to keep you safe in your chains and cells.


31 posted on 01/06/2013 7:32:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: Darren McCarty

We permitted them to search without a warrant at the airports and they progressed to sexually molest, threaten and harass us with that power. They use the power of the patriot act to spy on us and to classify their political and social enemies and Vets as “domestic terrorists.”

The ATF is a criminal organization that should be abolished - not given more power to kill and abuse Americans.


32 posted on 01/06/2013 7:33:39 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: leprechaun9

Bookmarked.


33 posted on 01/06/2013 7:36:37 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: marktwain

Professor Carter hits it out of the park. If the government in Sandy Hook which responded admirably, was unable to stop the drug-addled Lanza kid because they were four minutes away. Why should we think that the government in Washington could protect us when they are eight hours away from Sandy Hook?


34 posted on 01/06/2013 7:43:07 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: theBuckwheat

When I was about 7-years old (1959), I noticed that our neighbor lady had numbers written on one of her wrists.

I had noticed it when she hung wash on the line.

I asked my mom about it and that is how I came to know about tyrants and mass murder. She was Belgian, and after WWII had made her way back from eastern Europe to her home country, where she met and married an American soldier. She told my mother that her whole family had been murdered.


35 posted on 01/06/2013 7:53:44 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: theBuckwheat

When I was about 7-years old (1959), I noticed that our neighbor lady had numbers written on one of her wrists.

I had noticed it when she hung wash on the line.

I asked my mom about it and that is how I came to know about tyrants and mass murder. She was Belgian, and after WWII had made her way back from eastern Europe to her home country, where she met and married an American soldier. She told my mother that her whole family had been murdered.


36 posted on 01/06/2013 7:54:01 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: ctdonath2
We had a new family doctor that wanted to know if we had any guns in the house. Seems some physicians are on an anti-firearm anti-freedom kick. Even though we didn’t own any firearms we told him it was none his d@mn business as we left.
37 posted on 01/06/2013 7:56:15 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: theBuckwheat

Agreed. Someone once posted...we are citizens with rights not subjects with privileges. Well said I think.


38 posted on 01/06/2013 8:06:05 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: RobertClark

Under liberal gungrabbing logic men should be denied the use of their penis because some criminal raped with his.....


39 posted on 01/06/2013 8:08:15 PM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: theBuckwheat

Every tyrannical government in history ultimately ends in war.


40 posted on 01/06/2013 8:17:33 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Then on Nov 06, 2012, those same knuckleheads voted for more government. I don’t trust or respect my fellow Americans anymore. In fact, I find most of them are fools.


41 posted on 01/06/2013 9:11:26 PM PST by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Breto

I’m pretty sure most feminazis would support that policy.


42 posted on 01/06/2013 9:28:58 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: packrat35
packrat35 said: "In fact, I find most of them are fools."

Yes. And only hunger and suffering will cause them to re-evaluate their situation.

There is no way that the current spending can continue much longer. There will be dire consequences.

43 posted on 01/06/2013 9:59:25 PM PST by William Tell
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To: ctdonath2

My optometrist confided to me that he had bought a Sig Sauer and acted like he was admitting to something naughty.

Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Lions and tigers and big Viking kittens.
ARs and AKs and metal that rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.

Gunnery Sgt. Mary Poppins


44 posted on 01/06/2013 10:02:35 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: marktwain

One small step for an American; one giant step for the mind chained...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK


45 posted on 01/06/2013 10:16:48 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: marktwain
America is holding a referendum on the matter as we speak, and we're voting with our pocketbooks. Guns are absolutely flying off the shelves all across the nation. We're not buying them to turn them in, either.

0bama's people will try it, though, they can't help themselves, moths to a flame. They're hoping if they can get something in place by hook or by crook quickly that the media have until 2014 to make people forget. What they will face is not a million people in the streets, nor a fusillade of lead for the enforcers, although I'd be glad to be wrong there. What they will face is widespread civil disobedience. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

46 posted on 01/06/2013 10:42:10 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Standing Wolf
Tagline...

May I add, I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.

The Good Germans Voted for their Fuhrer on November 6th, but unlike the German People of 1935, we remain an Armed Society where our RIGHTS come from God Almighty, not from a bunch of slimy Politicians, Tyrants in Black Robes or a skinny Kenyan Marxist with a Mussolini Complex.

47 posted on 01/06/2013 10:52:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: marktwain

It strikes me that the NY Post has a total grasp of the obvious! Give them the Captain Obvious award.


48 posted on 01/06/2013 11:47:09 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: marktwain

I think it’s because more people than leftists expected spent five minutes or so thinking about the situation and concluded that the only person responsible for the killings shot himself afterwards.


49 posted on 01/07/2013 4:09:25 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Don’t think for one minute that the Gov’t isn’t working day and night on a way to take control of all guns and ammo. This has been their mission for years. I light of the Sandy hook crisis (”Never let a crisis go to waste”), their iron is hot and it is time to strike. As I see it, it is a timing issue of “when” to strike. Our government is very handy at keeping things from the people and this is one time they are doing a good job of it. Don’t be too egar for the sh@@ to hit the fan, just be prpared.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 5:17:31 AM PST by DaveA37
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