Posted on 01/06/2013 7:04:56 PM PST by wesagain
Since last month’s horrifying and heartbreaking school massacre in Newtown, Conn., politicians and the press have, as everyone knows,.....
Other possible factors – from violent video games to the “failure of our mental-health system” to the unintended consequences of making schools “gun-free zones” – have taken a back seat to guns. Within hours of the gruesome mega-crime, the media had provided extensive, round-the-clock coverage of precisely which firearms, manufacturers and calibers the perpetrator had used, how he had obtained them from his mother, where they were originally purchased, and so on.
But where, I’d like to ask my colleagues in the media, is the reporting about the psychiatric medications the perpetrator – who had been under treatment for mental-health problems – may have been taking? After all, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, were interviewed on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” during which Louise Tambascio told correspondent Scott Pelley: “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” And here, Tambascio tells ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.”
It has been more than three weeks since the shooting. We know all about the guns he used, but what “medication” may he have used? (One brief mini-hoax emerged when the New York Daily News published a story claiming the shooter, according to his uncle, had been on the controversial antipsychotic drug Fanapt. That story was quickly withdrawn after the “uncle” turned out to be a fraudster with no relation to the murderer.)
So, what is the truth? Where is the journalistic curiosity? Where is the follow-up? Where is the police report,.......
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, Calif.,he had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others.... He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
ETC, ETC, ETC.....
TV commercials for drugs seem to spend most of their air time talking about negative side effects. Why not so for these brain-altering chemicals?
(I’m going to guess they’re paying big bucks into the feds).
What’s the bottom line on the guns. He used an AR-15 He didn’t use an AR-15. What did he use right after the shooting it was reported that the AR was found locked in the trunk of his car. Now not a word about how it all happened. Do we have to wait until Obama bans everything including slingshots to find out.
ALSO, why are so many of these kids depressed in the first place? Could it be the collapse of values by their parents’ generation?
Schizophrenia is like that ~ doesn’t matter what medication you give them. What they treat are symptoms ~ you might like to read what Mayo Clinic has to say ~ see: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/schizophrenia/DS00196/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
These kids are sociopaths. There is no viable therapy or cure.
Id say we need to ban high capacity medicine cabinets
Schizophrenia is also controlled by genetics. This is a piece that says there’s a close relationship between AUTISM and Schizophrenia ~ you might like to read this too ~ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121111153933.htm no doubt we will have a test for the condition soon. If you don’t trust them try reading the source: http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v15/n12/full/nn.3261.html Adam Lanza did not benefit from any of this research ~ a number of folks with these sorts of conditions read everything published about the ~ maybe Adam read this and he realized his situation was hopeless ~ at this time.
Another problem is misdiagnosis. I know a guy who took antidepressants for years with little relief. Recently, it was discovered he was actually bipolar, not just depressed. He was being treated for only one symptom.
“ALSO, why are so many of these kids depressed in the first place? Could it be the collapse of values by their parents’ generation?”
Two theories:
1 It is cool to brag to your friends etc about all of the medicines you are taking. It is approaching rare to run into a female on an EMS call who is not on SSRI’s.
2 Kids sit for hours on end playing video games instead of going outside and playing and learning how to be -people-. So we go back to number 1 in order to try to fix the problem.
I am constantly amazed at some of the people we interview who have zero skills to even carry on an intelligent conversation with another person.
It does not matter what he used.
It only matters what they say he used.
It does not matter how it happened, it only matters how they say it happened.
I’m not even sure 100% that it happened. I know people say it happened, but what if it didn’t?
What if there was no mass media?
How easy would it be to fake the entire thing?
Maybe I’m batsh!t crazy, but I do not believe anything at all anymore.
Just don’t forget that whole correlation/causation thing. Just because someone was taking medication does not inherently mean the medication was the cause of his actions.
After all, it is reasonable to assume that most of the people who are nuts are medicated. But only a tiny percentage take such actions.
I am wondering, because my legal knowledge is limited, if a lawsuit could be brought against the psychologist handling Adam Lansa’s therapy. Seems to me there would be a malpractice lawsuit if the drug therapy was inappropriate. Also, who gave Adam the information that he was going to be institutionalized? That was, it seems to me, the triggering information that started the killing spree.
During my brief career in a union shop, bipolar was the diagnosis given to rightfully fired union members in order to get their job back. So I always bipolar meant jerk.
“ALSO, why are so many of these kids depressed in the first place? Could it be the collapse of values by their parents’ generation?”
The media will NEVER address that question; since the successful purge of Judeo-Christian morality from the public square, the world must be a dark place indeed for young people. Combine that with the absolute hopelessness many young are now facing with work/family issues (lack of worthwhile work causing many to languish in permanent “youth”), and a political situation that puts jobs and education out of reach for many young white males, and you have a disaster in the making. It is no longer “in the making”; it is here.
From another thread over a week ago I remembered I was corrected by FReeper thackney. Here’s the information from the link he gave to me at that time:
From the Fox News article thackney has posted the link:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at-least-26-dead-in-shooting-at-connecticut-school/
“......He then drove to the school in her car with four guns, including a shotgun that was left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m., police say. Police added that multiple 30-round magazines and hundreds of bullets were also found at the scene.”
“The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation who was not authorized to speak about it and talked on condition of anonymity. The gun is commonly seen at competitions and was the type used in the 2002 sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area. Also found in the school were two handguns, a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.”
Thank you for the link thackney. Clears up the confusion. It was a shotgun left in the car NOT the .223 rifle.
“ALSO, why are so many of these kids depressed in the first place? Could it be the collapse of values by their parents’ generation?”
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That seems quite likely.
Also, I think a lot of boys are prescribed drugs to just keep them quiet. Thanks to a lack of P.E. classes, and the proliferation of video games, they don’t get enough exercise or healthy outlets for their natural male “aggression,” for lack of a better word. They become fidgety and disruptive. So teachers, often generally women, want them to calm down—and medicine seems to be the outlet.
I say this as a woman, 50, who read “The Wonder of Boys” when my son was a toddler. That being said, my son, 17, watches video games, exercises (without our pushing him), and is courteous; he holds doors open for people.
My husband and I have been married for over 22 years. We may have our problems, but Chris knows we love him and will always be there for him, no matter what. We also pray and discuss spirituality.
So I think you have a point. It’s pretty sad.
We’re on the same page—please see my post 19. :)
Those “assult weapons” weapons used today in combat( excepting 50 cal) we don’t even use for hunting excepting small game. Calling one shot per trigger pull “assult weapons” is a joke because it takes several rounds to drop a target no matter what the gun design looks like.
There was decision made in using the smaller caliber going from 30 to an automatic 22.3 and that was to clog the aid stations with wounded and not killed. Because it ties up more personell servicing the wounded in combat than those KIA.
I’m not even sure 100% that it happened. I know people say it happened, but what if it didn’t?
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Interestingly enough...the local LEO’s (who were so shaken up by seeing murdered children and teachers) were caught toilet papering their Sgt.s house. You can Google it for the link. Saw it in the local paper and had to ask WTH?
“Maybe I’m batsh!t crazy, but I do not believe anything at all anymore.”
The MSM, or State Sponsored Media, have a product called Official Reality that helps you sort it all out.
It may not be real Reality, but if you believe it you will feel better. /s
What the?
I had heard of this but did not realize that these were the same officers involved in that school shooting?
I am also thinking WTH.
You must be right DBrow, because I don’t believe it and I do not feel better currently.
Something stinks here.
This story droppped from the news quickly outside of bells tolling for the dead children and we must do something to make sure this never happens again mantra.
There really has been no further actual information on this.
I am suspicious, something does not seem right.
There’s video out there from early on showing the cops pulling a “long gun” out of the trunk, and ejecting shells. It does NOT appear to be an AR15.
Early reports from witnesses - usually the most accurate - said he went in with two handguns only.
I think that was a carefully scripted add-on by the usual suspects to push their agenda....gee...almost like they were “waiting” for something to happen.
So what are you suggesting?
That medication kept these perps just sane enough to plan an atrocity?
Should we withhold treatment so they go stark-raving mad instead?
I am thankful for drugs that prevent full-blown psychosis. There is no reason to think that these murderers would have been any less dangerous unmedicated. Rather, they might well have just acted sooner.
You know... so many people are so quick to blame the drugs themselves. Just like others blame the guns, frankly... These are unstable individuals with extreme mental illnesses - THAT is the common thread here - not medications, and not firearms.
In fact, when most problems come along for these people is when they are NOT compliant with their medications, and STOP taking them (sometimes because they hear people talking on threads like this in regard to how *crazy* the meds make *anyone* and they are scared - even though they are the ones that NEED these medications to STAY SANE).
You know, in all honesty, I think trying to prevent some of these things by introducing all sorts of new laws, or trying to find somewhere to place blame is a waste of time... These happenings are not getting “more common”, we may hear about smaller incidents more often, but these tragedies are nothing new...
One question for those who would blame the medications: What about the MILLIONS of individuals on these same medications that do NOT go out and kill people? If the cause was truly the medication(s) these things would be happening a LOT, LOT more...
Yes, these are strong powerful drugs, but some people NEED these medications, and blaming them for the actions of a handful of people in comparison to the MILLIONS on these medications is simply absurd.
Please also keep in mind that many of these medications are used to help those with neurological problems like epilepsy, migraines, variant migraines, and other similar problems. Again, if it was the fault of the medication why do we not see these other people exhibiting signs of extreme mental illness when put on the meds for other problems? (Note: I mean REAL mental illness and not any symptoms of being on the wrong meds, or allergic reactions to them, either...)
WHY was that maniac’s hard drive destroyed , and WHO did it? Not an easy thing to do....
I hadn’t heard about the local LEOs either. I sure don’t trust the pod people the media is showing us. As soon as “the families” were done with their fake crying to every media outlet that would have them, they all (in unison) started talking about how none of us should have guns... I feel that I am living “The Truman Show” right now.
And what about the one or two other people involved? Why haven’t we heard any more about them?
Sounds more and more like a false flag op.
This reporter is either a WND demagogue or an idiot. Anybody who has ever dealt with HIPPA knows that there is absolutely no way any healthcare provider who wanted to stay licensed would willingly disclose that information.
Why do you believe a rational, well thought out post will be accepted? Are you on drugs? ;)
What other one or two people involved?
That’s the whole point of the story.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2975458/posts
you need to watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWgCRBR5qE
“ALSO, why are so many of these kids depressed in the first place?”
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Well, I don’t know which perfect place you went to high school from but I saw it with a few of my classmates back then. Mostly the nerds who got beat up, the loners etc. The good part is that we had school counselors who cared.
That, plus a lack of decent parenting for my generation (23-28).
How about low-capacity MSM dimbulbs.
That there is an ongoing “spiritual warfare” going on between Heaven vs. Hell and when there are mass shootings it is made visable.
It’s only logical to assume also that he may have gone off his anti-psychotic drugs, resulting in his actions.
That report may well be true BUT its just words. Some Anonymous guy reports that a certain weapon was used and I am to believe it?
Sorry but no sale. I want a coroners report... no make that two. One by the Gub'ment and one by an independent source hired by the Alleged Shooter's family.
And even then I will still not be 100% sure I am being told the truth.
Remember we have been dealing here with demonic controled persons.
The issue is that the drugs don’t work the same way for everyone, and can stop working for a person.
The shooter was 20. He may have stopped taking his meds, cut the dosage, or they stopped working.
Meds won’t cure a condition, they treat the symptom. There are people who belong in institutions, non on meds.
Could also that is a cause why some of these shooters turn to devil worship?
Do we really know or have we just been told what he used?
Early reports I saw mentioned another camo-clad guy arrested outside of the school. Never saw any explanation for that.
A video I saw mentioned yet another guy, also never explained.
May be BS, but ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=greuYvcMLDk&sns=em
We learned that from the Japanese in WW2. They used 6MM that would only wound a GI. They knew that we did not leave our wounded like they did so every wounded GI took two able bodied soldiers off the battlefiled.
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