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Cocooning Is the Wrong Solution for Conservatives
The American Thinker ^ | James G. Wiles

Posted on 01/06/2013 11:44:14 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

.......... the United States needs its conservative leaders and activists in the public square now more than at any time in our lifetimes. If we hold on, we'll win. Blue State America is doomed, and the blue-staters represented by President Obama and his party cannot save it.

...... we red-staters must remain fully involved and fully engaged in American politics and culture.

This is especially true after a year like 2012 -- when we lose. Better to quote U.S. General Joseph Stilwell after the loss of Burma to the Japanese. "I claim," Vinegar Joe said, "we took a hell of beating[.] ... [I]t is as humiliating as hell. We need to find out what caused it, go back and re-take it."

The biggest mistake we can make is to stay in our own echo chamber and to talk only to each other. There was already too much of that in 2012......

....... We need to read -- and refute with facts -- the other side's stuff as well.

And engage with it.

Facts are bullets in the war of ideas. And to find facts, we have to look everywhere for them -- not just our own outlets. Winning the 2014 elections and beyond means we have to recruit and proselytize young and/or disaffected or unregistered voters.

It is necessary to go out and engage the culture. Join Democratic FB pages. Visit Progressive websites. Proselytize and organize, registering conservative voters, recruiting conservative candidates, joining in canvassing and GOTV efforts. If you live in a safe red state, go volunteer or donate in an adjoining blue state.

If you live and work in a blue state, fly your colors proudly. Every day......

Above all, let us project confidence. Take joy in the battle. And finally, let us prepare diligently for next time.....

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 113th; activism; bho44; defeatism; factsarebullets; gingrich; information; isolation; leader; leadership; redstates
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1 posted on 01/06/2013 11:44:17 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No thanks.

I'm just waiting for the rioting to start.

The GOP doesn't deserve my support.

2 posted on 01/07/2013 12:08:04 AM PST by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Go Galt.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 12:25:33 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: TheWriterTX
Yeah, I'm with you.

IMO, this article is a big load of BS.

4 posted on 01/07/2013 12:25:49 AM PST by SIDENET (I've drawn my line in the sand.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree with much of this piece, but personally, I am no longer optimistic.

I am frustrated when I read words such as these: “.......... the United States needs its conservative leaders and activists in the public square now more than at any time in our lifetimes.” That was true during the primaries, that was true during the general and that was true on election day.... we didn’t just lose an election, WE FAILED to come together and we lost our country.

I hate to be such a damn pessimist, but the people of this country are going to have to suffer much much more, before we might even have a chance to turn this mess around, if ever. I don’t believe it will be in my lifetime, I am 64.

Now, I see a few good leaders, but I do not see ANY leader strong enough to lead this wrecked ship out of this storm. Heck, I can no longer tell who in the hell is on our side.

I do wish all of you patriotic optimists the very best... there are ‘some’ very good people left in America, and they deserve a better America.

I would like to ramble on more, but the effort is likely pointless and it’s very late for me.... and I am very tired.

God bless you all.....


5 posted on 01/07/2013 12:34:23 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sorry, no sale.
Dear old Dad always said, “Once the parasites outnumber the hosts, it’s all over. America is dead. The Democrats win.”

Well, guess what?


6 posted on 01/07/2013 12:38:06 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m doing both. Doing as much of the Galt thing as possible...but still fighting every step of the way. I’ll be out of the fulltime employment rolls by the end of the month. I’ve joined two local Tea Party groups and about to add a third. All are in my area and each bring good things to the table. Each group, while maintaining strong limited government and fiscal responsibility mainstays, focuses on different issues important to them on the local level. One concentrates on the school system, another is active on the judicial system. It will be interesting to see what the new group is concentrating on. A diverse range of of issues, wich will help me focus on those I’m most passionate about.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 12:50:53 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Amen, Amen, Amen! I haven’t seen one of your posts in a while, but it sure doesn’t disappoint! This is not a drill. We are in a fight for our very lives.

A Happy. Healthy, & Prosperous New Year to you & yours!


8 posted on 01/07/2013 12:58:04 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Hildy; Lancey Howard; All
I understand the people who are saying everything is lost and hopeless. I agree with Lancey Howard, who said that once the parasites outnumber the host, the fight is lost. There are places in the United States where it's probably best for conservatives who want to be politically active to pack up and move, and those who stay are best advised to focus on their businesses, their families, and their faith since they can't do anything effective politically.

But guys, we're not living in France. We're not living in the Netherlands. On the local and state level, most of us Freepers are in a lot less bad situation than what most European conservatives face, and apart from Freepers living in San Francisco or the District of Columbia or similar places, I think nearly all of us, even in the worst and most liberal states, have at least some options.

And let's not forget that even in places like the Netherlands, they still have several fairly decent conservative parties, two of which are explicitly Christian conservative parties, whose members know they'll never win at the national level or even the provincial level, but can and do win local elections and run local councils and boards to keep things at least someone decent in their small towns and farming areas.

I seriously wonder if most of the people complaining about the Republican Party have actually tried to fix problems locally, where their firsthand personal actions could actually help, or if they're giving up without much effort.

Are people here aware that we have a Freeper from the Class of 1998 who got sworn in this week to a county with a $250 million budget, defeating a Republican incumbent during the primary and fighting against a county board of supervisors that likes insider financial deals and doesn't like public input? Hildy Angius happens to be a politically conservative Jewish woman, originally from New York, which must be a delicious irony for her to throw in the face of leftists. I think it's fair to say she's seen worse liberalism than most of us Freepers have ever faced.

I can't post the full text because it's an Associated Press article, but what appears to be a great profile piece on Hildy Angius and how she got active in politics appears here:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/19/takes-action-tea-party-backers-explain-journey-enraged-engaged/#ixzz2H1CQ95ij

Scroll down past the initial section and you'll find gems like this:

“Her accent screams Long Island and she seems better suited for an episode of ‘The Real Housewives of New York City’ than the Chaparral Country Club in Bullhead City. Yet here she is, Hildy Angius, holding court with three older gentlemen who've just finished a round of golf in this retirement community in the far northwest corner of Arizona... Spotting an opening, Angius launches into the speech she delivers these days to friends and strangers alike, whether at tea party rallies, the local coffee shop or on Facebook. The upshot: Don't gripe, do something. Vote. Volunteer. Knock on doors. Do, in essence, what she's now doing: Whatever it takes to move the Republican Party, and the government, to the right... An avid Rush Limbaugh fan, she's called in to his show on any number of occasions.
Still, she acknowledges she did little more than complain until September 2008, when she realized Barack Obama was likely to win the presidency, bringing to office a far too liberal agenda that would mean the kind of changes Angius vehemently opposes. Never before a ‘joiner,’ she went online, learned about the Colorado River Republican Women, went to a meeting and found an outlet for her dismay.”

That, fellow Freepers, is a model in miniature of what we **ALL** need to be doing.

Here's the link to my post: http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2974438/posts?page=133#133

Activism on the local level is what wins elections.

Words can change minds. Debating is not useless by any means.

But words without actions **ARE** worthless.

If you don't like your local Republican leaders, get involved in your local party and try to change their minds. If you can't, run for office yourself and try to get rid of them. If you can't do that, then go look at third party options.

But try the first steps first before jumping ship.

9 posted on 01/07/2013 1:02:36 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: TheWriterTX; All
One problem is that too many conservatives will only speak out when they believe they are anonymous.

They will not go into enemy territory and capture territory.

10 posted on 01/07/2013 1:08:36 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: darrellmaurina
The Democrats fielded 65 million voters this time. That's several million DOWN from what they could turn out in 2008.

We held our own with as many in 2012 as we'd had in 2008.

Our big drop came between 2004 and 2008 ~ 4 million lost voters.

Now, the problem, we've got about 2/3 of the country who are old enough to vote. That's over 200 million people. The Democrats don't even get 1/3 of that potential vote!

We are as bad, but THEY ARE OUT THERE.

Registration and Get Out The Vote programs are vital ~ we can win every election if we get out more Republican oriented voters.

11 posted on 01/07/2013 1:13:00 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: darrellmaurina

There is not nearly as much to fix locally as nationally. I live in a blue state, but if it’s bad enough, I can move or enact change at the county level.

The problem is the Federal monster, which for 100 years has gotten us in useless wars and killed us, taxed our earnings, regulated us, made our currency worthless, and forced us and our descendants into never-ending debt to other nations. All this while exceeding the rule of law, the conditions upon which our states agreed to enter into this union.

I do not think this author read Atlas Shrugged. Agree with it or not, by reading it you have to think through the question: whether, by staying in the fray, economically or politically, we perpetuate the tyranny.

The author also fails to consider other ways that possibly don’t enable statism. Changing a corrupt government or a corrupt party may not be possible, due to how those in power have set it up.

Consider other legal ways that may take decades, but have a chance: a third “limited Federal” party, or secession.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 2:20:24 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; All; onyx; Jim Robinson; Diamond; xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Brian Kopp; ...
10 posted on Mon Jan 07 2013 03:08:36 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by SWAMPSNIPER: “One problem is that too many conservatives will only speak out when they believe they are anonymous. They will not go into enemy territory and capture territory.”

Amen and Amen!

I am getting sick and tired of listening to defeatism and negativism among conservatives. Just exactly why is it that we are on the defensive? Has the San Francisco City Council asserted some sort of pretended authority over the state legislatures of Georgia and Texas? Are the county commissions of Missouri and Iowa under the power of Chicago?

Defeatism is a device of the Devil, designed to disarm us.

I'm a lifelong Republican, my father was a Republican Party official while I was growing up, and by any definition of the word, I am a hard-right Christian conservative.

I've also spent my entire adult life in journalism. My wife is a clinical psychologist. It's hard to think of many professions more liberal than that.

We've both had problems in our careers. We're also both succeeding against some pretty difficult odds. Put bluntly, if we can do it, so can lots of other people in far less liberal professions.

We read this from the lips of Jesus Christ in Matthew 16:18-19: “...and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The gates of hell are not offensive weapons, but defensive. We're supposed to be taking the fight to the enemy, not huddling in caves afraid the enemy will find us.

That role of hiding in caves is for the **OTHER SIDE** — read Revelation 6:15-17:

“And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

I can understand why a secular conservative may be depressed, disappointed, and veer toward defeatism. I don't agree, but I do understand. Things can look pretty bad at times if we don't know there is a God who rules the world and overrules evil people.

But for Christians, and also for conservative Jewish believers, there is no valid reason to be defeatist. While I'm pinging this to the “Great Reformed Ping List” — we of all people ought to affirm the sovereignty of God — this isn't distinctively Reformed doctrine (even though Abraham Kuyper would have liked what I'm writing, knowing that not one square inch of God's creation is free from his sovereign rule). The concept that God rules, and that He will win in the end, should be something all Christians, whether evangelical Protestants or traditional Roman Catholics, should be able to affirm, along with Orthodox and other conservative Jewish people.

Defeatism should be limited to secularists who deny the power of God and who see only what is in front of their eyes. No Judeo-Christian believer should be a defeatist.

The church has seen far darker days than we have today. Jewish believers have seen the depths of the Holocaust, and for nearly two thousand years had good reason to believe the end of Jewish political resistance was Masada.

Go take a look at the rise of the modern state of Israel if you want to look at a group of people who had every reason to be depressed and despondent, but who put their fury into something constructive. Can any of us as American conservatives say we've faced greater odds than Israel?

We, as conservatives in America, have far less excuse for defeatism than they did. And I would go so far as to say that the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not treat us kindly if we, as Americans, fail to stand up for truth when we have every legal right to do so.

Remember, the gates of Hell, i.e., the works of Satan, are supposed to be attacked and broken down. It is the liberals, not us, who are supposed to be on the defensive.

We forget that at our peril.

13 posted on 01/07/2013 2:49:20 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; All; onyx; Jim Robinson; Diamond; xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Brian Kopp; ...
10 posted on Mon Jan 07 2013 03:08:36 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by SWAMPSNIPER: “One problem is that too many conservatives will only speak out when they believe they are anonymous. They will not go into enemy territory and capture territory.”

Amen and Amen!

I am getting sick and tired of listening to defeatism and negativism among conservatives. Just exactly why is it that we are on the defensive? Has the San Francisco City Council asserted some sort of pretended authority over the state legislatures of Georgia and Texas? Are the county commissions of Missouri and Iowa under the power of Chicago?

Defeatism is a device of the Devil, designed to disarm us.

I'm a lifelong Republican, my father was a Republican Party official while I was growing up, and by any definition of the word, I am a hard-right Christian conservative.

I've also spent my entire adult life in journalism. My wife is a clinical psychologist. It's hard to think of many professions more liberal than that.

We've both had problems in our careers. We're also both succeeding against some pretty difficult odds. Put bluntly, if we can do it, so can lots of other people in far less liberal professions.

We read this from the lips of Jesus Christ in Matthew 16:18-19: “...and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The gates of hell are not offensive weapons, but defensive. We're supposed to be taking the fight to the enemy, not huddling in caves afraid the enemy will find us.

That role of hiding in caves is for the **OTHER SIDE** — read Revelation 6:15-17:

“And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

I can understand why a secular conservative may be depressed, disappointed, and veer toward defeatism. I don't agree, but I do understand. Things can look pretty bad at times if we don't know there is a God who rules the world and overrules evil people.

But for Christians, and also for conservative Jewish believers, there is no valid reason to be defeatist. While I'm pinging this to the “Great Reformed Ping List” — we of all people ought to affirm the sovereignty of God — this isn't distinctively Reformed doctrine (even though Abraham Kuyper would have liked what I'm writing, knowing that not one square inch of God's creation is free from his sovereign rule). The concept that God rules, and that He will win in the end, should be something all Christians, whether evangelical Protestants or traditional Roman Catholics, should be able to affirm, along with Orthodox and other conservative Jewish people.

Defeatism should be limited to secularists who deny the power of God and who see only what is in front of their eyes. No Judeo-Christian believer should be a defeatist.

The church has seen far darker days than we have today. Jewish believers have seen the depths of the Holocaust, and for nearly two thousand years had good reason to believe the end of Jewish political resistance was Masada.

Go take a look at the rise of the modern state of Israel if you want to look at a group of people who had every reason to be depressed and despondent, but who put their fury into something constructive. Can any of us as American conservatives say we've faced greater odds than Israel?

We, as conservatives in America, have far less excuse for defeatism than they did. And I would go so far as to say that the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will not treat us kindly if we, as Americans, fail to stand up for truth when we have every legal right to do so.

Remember, the gates of Hell, i.e., the works of Satan, are supposed to be attacked and broken down. It is the liberals, not us, who are supposed to be on the defensive.

We forget that at our peril.

14 posted on 01/07/2013 2:50:20 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not me. My money and support always seems to have helped RINOs. I have had it.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 2:55:27 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: AdaGray

A post/comment left at the site of this article. Something to reflect on AdaGray......

“To know your enemy, you must become your enemy. If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.” - Sun Tzu


16 posted on 01/07/2013 2:59:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please provide more specifics. Ancient Chinese warrior/philosophers won’t change my mind. I live in the heart of Blue State America. Twenty five years ago I was an elected local Democrat official. I have fought against them time and again since then. (I am now registered to vote as a Conservative in NY State). I know how the Left thinks and operates. Where is the leadership? Who will step up and fight like a savage and scream like a Banshee against them? Why does Left’s opposition alway appear to be a bunch of back-slapping golf buddies with no balls? I have had it.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 3:09:38 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: kaehurowing
Exactly! I have concluded there is "no one left to convince". One could almost say many suffer from a "strong delusion".

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18 posted on 01/07/2013 3:42:12 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Your dad would have liked Robert A. Heinlein:

'Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

Regards,

19 posted on 01/07/2013 3:51:01 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The only reason I can see for anyone in office as a Republican is for the single purpose of enriching themselves in both power and money at the expense of destroying freedom, liberty and the Constitution...nothing else.

It’s a proven fact so far. The selection of the speaker of the house is a flagrant example of this.

What this means is that no matter what the (staged) the Republicans put up against the Democrats, the (planned) outcome is that the Democrats always win no matter what.

The Republicans always lose in anything they do in the name of COMPROMISE. Democrats usually win all compromises with a 60% or better outcome in their favor. The Republicans claim great victory when they lose the other 40%.

We are in a boat (our liberty and freedom) that has a large hole in it and the Republicans are bailing it out with a spoon. Meanwhile the Democrats are doing nothing to help.

No matter what, the boat will sink.

We all have to face the fact that the Republican party cannot be fixed because it has already been “fixed” by lobbyist, special interest, the banking industry, crony capitalists and a whole host of parasites sucking our freedoms away in exchange for Republican “favors.”

Corruption is the name of the game and the people have lost.

We have very little time to replace the Republican party with another one that represents conservatives, if at all possible. We have two generations coming up behind us and they have been programmed by leftists in our 1-12 and college indoctrination centers along with a biased news and entertainment system. They are now in the majority and will vote for Democrats no matter what. Worse yet, they greatly outnumber us conservatives.

What this is all about is that we conservatives may have already passed the tipping point in the balance of liberals verses conservatives and will never gain control of our country again.

I sincerely believe that this is the “last hurrah” and that drastic action must be taken to educate all to the facts and if extreme action is not taken within the next year to form a national conservative party on all levels, all is lost.

I am not a “defeatist” but a “realist.”

You can pray to Gods, Deities, and other religious beliefs for help but help will not come until you (conservatives) actually physically do something.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 4:20:23 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: darrellmaurina

Yes! Heartening words, brother.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 4:23:39 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: TheWriterTX

I’m done with um to. Bachman will get my vote for now. But shes about the only reason I will come out of the bunker for anything political.

The GOP is dead. Someone just forgot to tell them.


22 posted on 01/07/2013 4:51:30 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You mean like the conservatives in congress? It’s hard to fight a battle when your own troops are shooting at you.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 4:54:00 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It seems the most favored course is to pray. Is that cocooning?

t’s easy and very inexpensive


24 posted on 01/07/2013 5:05:28 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: DH
Corruption is the name of the game and the people have lost

Abandoning belief, true, life-changing belief in the God to whom all souls must give account, is the root of all corruption. We live among and have for leaders those who have lost their capacity to blush at any evil. Half a century ago, when I was just a boy, a corrupt leader could be shamed out of office. The people of his constituency could be duped for a while, but once the truth was out, the game was up.

But no more. Now they have contests to see how long they can continue to parade their brazen, godless exploits, because the longer they can hold out, the more likely the voting public will just shrug and move on. These are people behaving as if there is no day of reckoning for evil deeds, as if there is no Ultimate Arbiter of right and wrong. These are people who have accepted the godless premise of the so-called "Will to Power," the belief that the only true moral arbiter is success in imposing your will on everyone else. And this dark cynicism that leads to corruption is the very reason our founders have warned us that we cannot hold this republic apart from belief in God. At so many levels, we rely on individual honor, keeping faith to promises when all earthy motives have failed, for this system of ours to work.

Therefore, we must work on multiple fronts. We must take action, yes, and men and women of faith have always been bold to act, because they believe they must do what is right, even when the price is high, because that is our duty before God. But we must also foster the knowledge of God as the one whose blessing we must have if we are to truly succeed at anything, who will hold us to account for our lies and cheats and self-seeking. Without that sentinel of God-fearing honor posted in the heart of our leadership, there is no hope of escape from either corruption, or the bondage of tyranny that is corruption's natural child.

But I remain optimistic. Why? Because I have seen God reinstate honor, and the ability to blush, in hearts you'd have though were impossible to redeem. I have seen God do wonders. His arm is not so short that he cannot save us. He can turn this country around without even breaking a sweat. We must act, yes, but all our acts will be empty gestures if he does not grant us his blessing. You cannot win without God in your caucus.

25 posted on 01/07/2013 5:30:36 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: TheWriterTX

No thanks.

I’m just waiting for the rioting to start.

The GOP doesn’t deserve my support.

&&&
Ditto.

My contribution is to increase my prayer efforts.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 5:32:07 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: darrellmaurina

While I appreciate your enthusiasm and your ideals, I see the writing on the wall; getting involved with my local GOP is pretty much a waste of my time.

The Rats stole the election. The fix is in, and I do not foresee another fair national election in my remaining years here on earth, and I am nearly 66.

Understand that I say all this as a long-time political junkie, as someone who has attended many demonstrations, and as a person who was the county co-ordinator for a US Senate candidate during the GOP primaries.

I’m done. All I can do now is concentrate on my Faith and my family.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 5:42:15 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: AdaGray

Leadership? Leadership?

Surely, Lord willing, there are a number of leaders in the wings getting ready to forge ahead.

Remember what RR said, “I suppose it’s the scriptural line, ‘I look to the hills from whence cometh my strength.’ I understand it a little better when I am up here.” Ronald Reagan said this when at the hills on his ranch. He was quoting from Psalms 121.

Yes, he got strength from God’s Word. And never doubt that he was instrumental in the dismantling of the old Soviet Union.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 5:43:51 AM PST by YepYep (Build the America you want at your address, and keep looking up. --Sarah Palin)
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To: KGeorge
Isn't our whole life a battle between good and evil ? It's my raison d'etre. Can't quit, nor sleep well until this particular evil is defeated.

As doomed as it seems, we have a 'get out of jail' card in the energy sector. Freedom is issue number one, but it's being infringed in part by economics>healthcare, and the hopelessness of poverty, and widespread unemployment.

Unleashing our new energy technologies can generate massive amounts of employment, income, royalties, salaries, and taxes to the tune of erasing Obeyme's deficit. IF WE STOP IT NOW. Vibes are coming from our leadership that they can concede no more. Either cut spending or shut it down. That's what's coming. I love it.

29 posted on 01/07/2013 6:47:52 AM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams sts)
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To: chiller

I know what you mean- literally. (lol Not so good for me. This is men’s work, imo)

I don’t *feel* like we’re doomed if we can get out from under the obstructions. We have so much (& we *are* so Blessed). A blog I visit often, Original Dissent (& his new site, Confederate Renaissance) has laid out the numbers for energy, agriculture, manufacturing. There’s no reason for us to be where we are. The federal government has & is thwarting all of this production. It’s like we’re being held hostage.
You’re right about the deficit.

I hope & pray that you’re right about the leadership. They know what’s going on. I’m not sure what they’re waiting for.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 7:04:07 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: darrellmaurina
Remember, the gates of Hell, i.e., the works of Satan, are supposed to be attacked and broken down. It is the liberals, not us, who are supposed to be on the defensive.

Wanting to reduce inequality brought about by market and political failures should hardly be classified as "works of the devil."

Why does it seem to me that many conservative christians would side with the rich, young ruler in Jesus' parable?

31 posted on 01/07/2013 7:53:06 AM PST by ksen
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To: ReaganGeneration2
I do not think this author read Atlas Shrugged. Agree with it or not, by reading it you have to think through the question: whether, by staying in the fray, economically or politically, we perpetuate the tyranny.

Conservatives in the House had their chance, but blew it by re-electing Boehner as Speaker. There must be something in the water in DC.

I'm torn, but I'm leaning toward the approach of Francisco d'Anconia:

If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater the effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders -- what would you tell him to do? I don't know. What could he do? What would you tell him? To shrug.

32 posted on 01/07/2013 8:36:54 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

During the ‘60s and ‘70s I read every Heinlein book.
Even belonged to ‘The Science Fiction Book Club’ back then.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I knew it! You know, I met RAH once. He complimented me on my red hair and made me blush.

I often wonder what he would have thought about the current state of affairs here in th U.S., and what he would have written about it.

Regards,


34 posted on 01/07/2013 8:46:16 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: darrellmaurina; Hildy

Thank you very, very much for the link to the awesome write-up about HILDY in the AP article! She’s going to have to remember to mention her best friend me and FR, in one of her future write-up’s...LOL.

I LOVE this article!


35 posted on 01/07/2013 8:59:34 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: darrellmaurina; Lakeshark; RedMDer; humblegunner; TheOldLady; penelopesire; Marcella
B T T T ! ! ! ©

36 posted on 01/07/2013 9:03:14 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Springfield Reformer
You cannot win without God in your caucus.

Praise the Lord AND pass the ammunition.

37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:14:50 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: muawiyah; onyx
“Registration and Get Out The Vote programs are vital ~ we can win every election if we get out more Republican oriented voters.”

No, The Republican Party won't win as it is now liberal based - the conservatives left when the Party basically kicked them out. And, it doesn't matter who is president now as the economic collapse cannot be averted. That is reality.

I'm in Texas and that is my focus now as this state is healthy in state spending and cannot by state constitution spend more than they take in. Businesses are moving here and conservatives are moving here from debt ridden blue states with few jobs. We have jobs here.

When the economic collapse happens to this country, we will be hurt less than other states.

And, Texans will never give up their guns no matter what president Hussein does - a pox on president Hussein. I'm buying another rifle with 25 bullet magazine, so there, Hussein, chew on that. Long live Texas.

38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:31:46 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; onyx; C. Edmund Wright; Servant of the Cross

A worthwhile read, thanks.


39 posted on 01/07/2013 9:47:42 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: ksen
Wanting to reduce inequality brought about by market and political failures should hardly be classified as "works of the devil."

Why does it seem to me that many conservative christians would side with the rich, young ruler in Jesus' parable?

Ah, another straw man set up by an Alinskyizing leftist. Congrats.

First, people such as yourself (leftists) don't ever actually reduce inequality, you simply try to change who is unequal (four legs good, two legs better), while pretending you're doing something. Inequality has risen more in the past four years than any other time, and who has been in control, hmmmmmm?

Second, survey after survey, poll after poll, shows conservatives actually give money and time and help to the poor, while leftists vote and pretend to stand with them, while actually not giving to them (see: Tax returns of AlGore, John Kerry, and John Edwards). Once again: Congrats. Pretending you side with one of Jesus' sayings, while your opponents are rich young rulers: Priceless (and yes, transparently silly and totally false, reversing what is actually true).

40 posted on 01/07/2013 9:59:16 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Marcella

you fall for GOP-e propaganda when you think the Conservatives left. They didn’t leave. However, a good 50 million Republican oriented potential voters aren’t signing up ~


41 posted on 01/07/2013 10:08:21 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lakeshark

I had seen this earlier today, and I think that there can be several notions of cocooning. I think perhaps the best way to fight is to cocoon what you can, to preserve your property, which will allow you to be in a better position to try and save America.

Then there is the thought that America is an ideal, and not a piece of real estate, so many PATRIOTS are becoming EX PATRIATES. Some will try and “find” America’s opportunity somewhere else, and some will try and fight for America from the safety of being abroad. A lot of ways to fight, and cocooning is not necessarily the same thing as dropping out.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 10:12:27 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lakeshark

Glad you called out that foolishness. Liberals are always funny when they try and position themselves on the side of the Bible in these debates....


43 posted on 01/07/2013 10:13:30 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lakeshark
First, people such as yourself (leftists) don't ever actually reduce inequality, you simply try to change who is unequal (four legs good, two legs better), while pretending you're doing something. Inequality has risen more in the past four years than any other time, and who has been in control, hmmmmmm?

That you think this administration is progressive or even slightly left of center shows how far to the right you've gone when you can't even discern the middle any longer.

And progressive policies have been empirically shown to reduce inequality and increase economic growth, see Scandinavian countries.

Second, survey after survey, poll after poll, shows conservatives actually give money and time and help to the poor, while leftists vote and pretend to stand with them, while actually not giving to them (see: Tax returns of AlGore, John Kerry, and John Edwards). Once again: Congrats. Pretending you side with one of Jesus' sayings, while your opponents are rich young rulers: Priceless (and yes, transparently silly and totally false, reversing what is actually true).

Lol that you think those guys are leftists. :snicker:

44 posted on 01/07/2013 10:23:33 AM PST by ksen
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To: muawiyah

“you fall for GOP-e propaganda when you think the Conservatives left. They didn’t leave. However, a good 50 million Republican oriented potential voters aren’t signing up ~”

Not true. The Republican Party will never admit the conservatives left. This thread of full of conservatives who left that party and I am also one of them as I don’t vote for liberals.


45 posted on 01/07/2013 10:26:29 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Glad you called out that foolishness.

So you think that there have been no market and political failures that need dealing with?

46 posted on 01/07/2013 10:27:04 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; Lakeshark
31 posted on Mon Jan 07 2013 09:53:06 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by ksen: “Wanting to reduce inequality brought about by market and political failures should hardly be classified as ‘works of the devil.’ Why does it seem to me that many conservative Christians would side with the rich, young ruler in Jesus’ parable?”

Oh boy, where do I start?

I didn't say anything in my post about economics. Given the right context, I'd say some pretty strong things to modern-day Republican equivalents of the “Rich Young Ruler,” many of whom are RINOs who love their money more than their Lord or their Constitution, and who belong to “big steeple” churches mostly for the social prestige and access to money-making opportunities that belonging to the big downtown or big suburban “First Church” gives them.

If you want to know my views on helping poor people better their condition, you probably ought to know that I have served in inner-city ministry and have lived in areas where many conservatives would be afraid to live. Frankly, I wouldn't live in several of those areas today now that I am married with a family to be concerned about. I've got more in common with Marvin Olasky (though I don't agree with him on everything) than I do with some of the hard-right secular conservatives.

You're part of the Class of 1998 on Free Republic. If you are the Iowa OPC member who I think you are (don't tell if you don't want to), we've debated repeatedly on other boards. You won't hear me focusing on economic issues here on Free Republic but rather on social conservative issues, even if that makes me a bit “out of step” at times with some secular Freepers.

My response is that's fine. We all understand there are economic conservatives, social conservatives, and military conservatives; I happen to affirm all three positions but my passion is on social conservative issues.

Those social conservative issues include the biblical belief in private property, work ethics, Romans 13, and similar positions. Being a social conservative doesn't divorce me from economic and military conservative positions, but those issues aren't where I choose to focus. I'll leave that focus for others.

47 posted on 01/07/2013 10:28:06 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Marcella
i don't vote for leftwingtards or RINOs ~ and have pretty exacting standards in that regard.

i also don't vote for Libertarians or Democrats or Commies.

48 posted on 01/07/2013 10:35:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: onyx; Hildy
35 posted on Mon Jan 07 2013 10:59:34 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by onyx: “Thank you very, very much for the link to the awesome write-up about HILDY in the AP article! She’s going to have to remember to mention her best friend me and FR, in one of her future write-up’s...LOL. I LOVE this article!”

Thanks, Onyx!

I took one look at that article on Hildy Angius and said, “Why don't we all know more about her?”

Time will tell. Supervisor Angius needs to prove herself on the local level. For now, at an absolute minimum, it looks like she's a perfect example of what happens when conservatives work their tails off locally and stop being defeatists who give up for no good reason.

If she does well in Navaho County, I think taking a Jewish conservative female Republican and sticking that in the craw of left-wing feminist Democrats at a higher level could work just as well as shoving Alan West down the throat of left-wing Democrats from another part of the traditional Democratic constituency.

I suspect we'll be hearing a lot more about Angius if she succeeds on the Navaho County Board of Supervisors.

49 posted on 01/07/2013 10:38:54 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina; C. Edmund Wright
ksen is a leftist, he may be a class of 1998 sign up, but he is a doctrinaire leftist democrat (who somehow magically thinks he's a moderate, as they all do, *poof, I'm a moderate*.....because I say so....).


50 posted on 01/07/2013 10:48:53 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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