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Guns for Me but Not for Thee
National Review ^ | 01/07/2013 | John Fund

Posted on 01/07/2013 7:16:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Just before Christmas, the local newspaper in New York’s tony Westchester and Rockland Counties decided to respond to the horrific shootings in nearby Newton, Conn., with its own version of insanity.

The Journal News published an interactive “gun map” showing the names and addresses of thousands of local residents who have handgun permits. The article’s headline read, “The Gun Owner Next Door: What You Don’t Know about the Weapons in Your Neighborhood.” The paper explained that it had obtained the records by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with local officials. Publisher Janet Hasson defended the paper’s move by stating, “We felt that sharing information about gun permits in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings.”

Judging from the outraged response, most of the paper’s readers and many local officials disagree. Putnam County Clerk Dennis Sant, announcing he would not follow the lead of officials in Westchester and Rockland Counties, has refused to turn over records to the paper. By listing the addresses of homes without guns, the paper has effectively drawn a map for criminals, telling them which places to rob and “endangering our citizens,” Sant said. County executive Mary Ellen Odell called the publication “reckless.” One high-ranking official in Westchester County I spoke with notes that the newspaper has put legitimate gun owners on an equal footing with sex offenders and other criminals. “Maybe I’d like to see a map published of those accused of defrauding the county government, but I’d never expect a paper to print one,” he says.

Some local officials say that anyone who has had contact with ex-criminals — including prosecutors, judges, jurors, and police — could feel threatened now. Aron Wieder, a Democratic county legislator in Rockland County, fears for his safety now that people know he doesn’t own a handgun. He applied for a pistol permit last week. “I never owned a gun, but now I have no choice,” he told reporters in a news conference Friday. “I’ll do anything, anything to protect my family.”

Rockland County sheriff Louis Falco told Newsday that he was appalled to learn that inmates at the county’s jail were taunting guards in the days after the Journal News published its map. “They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live,” Falco said. “That’s not acceptable to me.” Charlotte Swift, of Orangetown, says she experienced a flood of emotion when she first saw the list: “I originally obtained a gun permit because I had previously been married to a man who attempted to strangle me. . . . The first emotion I felt was, ‘Oh my gosh, he can find me.’”

Ironically, some of the harshest critics of the Journal News’s decision to publish the map are former burglars, such as Walter T. Shaw, an ex-burglar whom the FBI blames for more than 3,000 break-ins during the 1960s and 1970s. Shaw told Fox News: “Having a list of who has a gun is like gold — why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?”

Equally disturbing, crooks who need weapons now know exactly where they can steal them. “Guns are on the top of the list of what you want to steal,” Bob Portenier, a former armed house robber, told Fox. “They can sell them to a gangbanger who ends up killing someone.”

But such arguments make no impression on knee-jerk supporters of gun control. In Connecticut, Democratic representative Stephen Dargan, the co-chair of the legislature’s public-safety committee, has introduced a bill to make public the names and addresses of 170,000 people who hold handgun permits in the state.

“I don’t know why a responsible gun owner is worried about whether a permit for a revolver is FOI-able or not,” he told reporters. In his view, it’s reasonable for people to want such information. “Maybe their kids are going over to Johnny Smith’s, and maybe they want to see whether they have guns in the house,” he suggested.

Richard Burgess, head of a local group that advocates for Second Amendment rights, says Dargan’s bill is nonsensical. Homeowners with rifles or shotguns don’t need permits in the state, he observed to a Hartford Courant reporter, so no one would know if those weapons were in a home. “So, really, you’re not getting a benefit out of it, and you’re only putting the gun owner in danger.”

Liberals such as Dargan don’t see anything wrong in publicly shaming those who legally own guns. When it comes to their own personal safety, though, they are far more sensitive.

Take the Journal News executives who decided to publish the gun map. The newspaper was so inundated with complaints that shortly after Christmas it took extra security precautions and hired security guards — who were armed — to patrol its Rockland County headquarters. The executives reported no incidents of any kind at the building, but they turned over at least two e-mails they found troubling. The local police said they didn’t find the e-mails threatening and concluded that they “did not constitute an offense.” The Journal News chose not to share with its readers the information that it had hired armed security guards. That revelation came from a competing newspaper, the Rockland County Times, which concluded that the Journal News conducts itself according to the double standard: “Guns are good for the goose but not for the gander.”

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; gunmap; guns; gunsformenotthee; journalnews; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/07/2013 7:16:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I’d like to publish one called “The Liberal Next Door: What You Don’t Know about the A$$holes in Your Neighborhood.”


2 posted on 01/07/2013 7:33:16 AM PST by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: NRA1995

What I’d like to see published are the names and addresses of everyone who works on the paper and who approved and wrlte the article. Surely someone has this information and is willing to share.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 7:42:49 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

The Westchester county tax assessors office is a good place to start http://orpts.tax.ny.gov/cfapps/MuniPro/muni_theme/county/county.cfm?swis=55
Unfortunately there isn’t a county wide listing, but there are about 30 sublistings that would have to be searched, but those few in NY who actually believe in the constitution could look there as a way to out the addresses of the jerks who put them at risk. Publishing those addresses on a web site would give the bastards at the paper a taste of their own medicine.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 7:49:47 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/map-where-are-journal-news-employees-your-neighborhood
5 posted on 01/07/2013 7:58:21 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

I wonder how THEY like it.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 8:02:16 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: NRA1995

ALL the kid killers were on psychoactive drugs... with the blessing of idiot liberals who see mind mucking drugs as ‘the answer’...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/

Guns have been with us for hundreds of years... schools for thousands.

Psychoactive drugs came into being right around the time crazed kids started mass killings.

Connect dots.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 8:25:21 AM PST by GOPJ (Our Friends don’t trust us.. Our Enemies don’t fear us .. - Freeper Tilted Irish Kilt)
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To: from occupied ga; Durus; marktwain

ALL the kid killers were on psychoactive drugs... with the blessing of idiot liberals who see mind mucking drugs as ‘the answer’...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/

Guns have been with us for hundreds of years... schools for thousands.

Psychoactive drugs came into being right around the time crazed kids started mass killings.

Connect dots.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 8:26:53 AM PST by GOPJ (Our Friends don’t trust us.. Our Enemies don’t fear us .. - Freeper Tilted Irish Kilt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical liberal hypocrisy.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 8:27:38 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: SeekAndFind; NFHale; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”Take the Journal News executives who decided to publish the gun map”

There is a very simple solution to this, publish the names and addresses of the Journal News executives and reporters on-line. That will end such irresponsible actions.

20 years ago there was no internet so the papers had the only weapon, but now we are armed too.

Fight fire w fire I say.

10 posted on 01/07/2013 8:32:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: from occupied ga

Lets get this newspaper declared a “Gun Free Zone” and have all the guards dis-armed (one might go crazy you know and start shooting folks). Just like the school was.


11 posted on 01/07/2013 8:33:49 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: SeekAndFind; from occupied ga
One high-ranking official in Westchester County I spoke with notes that the newspaper has put legitimate gun owners on an equal footing with sex offenders and other criminals.

There's an upside to this. The moonbats are losing all pretense of being mainstream.

12 posted on 01/07/2013 8:36:05 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: SeekAndFind; NFHale; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...
I should have looked for this

Map: Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood? By Robert Cox on Wed, 12/26/2012 -

Pretty cool, has their name, work email, work phone and home addresses when you click on each map marker to their homes.

13 posted on 01/07/2013 8:41:10 AM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a kid I delivered this rag. It was a pos then and only got worse. Hopefully it will go bankrupt


14 posted on 01/07/2013 8:44:08 AM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: from occupied ga

Since they since hired armed gaurds I would say they don’t like it one bit. The irony is obvious but they probably don’t get it.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 8:55:30 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: sickoflibs

Tit for tat. Good job.


16 posted on 01/07/2013 8:58:19 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...Aron Wieder, a Democratic county legislator in Rockland County, fears for his safety now that people know he doesn’t own a handgun....I’ll do anything, anything to protect my family...”

Now you know the rest of us feel.

Welcome to the Party, PAL...


17 posted on 01/07/2013 9:01:26 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs

Janet Hasson
Publisher, Journal News
3 Gate House Lane
Mamaroneck, NY 10534
(914) 694-5204

This appeared online.

If someone wants to circulate a Google Maps image of this location, please do so.

If someone can find an email address associated with the above, please include it.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 9:04:36 AM PST by GoodDay
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To: NFHale

Maybe tonight if I cant find it here I will post it as a blog or news thread.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: GoodDay
see :#13
20 posted on 01/07/2013 9:08:42 AM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: sickoflibs

http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/map-where-are-journal-news-employees-your-neighborhood

Interesting map - Journal employees probably don’t own guns either... they’re unarmed and defenseless.

Not that we would want a bunch of criminals to find out where they live, but the public does have a right to know, right?

Also their armed neighbors might not want to come to their defense in the 8 to 10 minutes it takes the police to arrive... being as how they’ve expressed their hatred for people who chose to protect their homes and families...

I’ll pray for their safety.

Really.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 11:41:39 AM PST by GOPJ (News anchor arrogance is a cover for ignorance. - - freeper ryan71)
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To: GOPJ
RE :”Not that we would want a bunch of criminals to find out where they live, but the public does have a right to know, right?”

It would be fun to send them some mail to their homes with our best wishes, and give the Post office some work at the same time.

Like I said, the newspapers used to have alot of power having a printing press, the internet via the microcomuter changed all that.

F+F this morning on FNC had a angry police offer on saying they printed the names and addresses of police officers and prison guards

maybe later I will see if that county puts their property records on thwe internet searchable by address like most do.

22 posted on 01/07/2013 11:50:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Fight like Dems, fight to win !)
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To: from occupied ga

http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/map-where-are-journal-news-employees-your-neighborhood


23 posted on 01/07/2013 11:55:20 AM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: sickoflibs

” There is a very simple solution to this, publish the names and addresses of the Journal News executives and reporters on-line. That will end such irresponsible actions.

20 years ago there was no internet so the papers had the only weapon, but now we are armed too.

Fight fire w fire I say. “

The media has to be addressed, and that’s a good start. They are the ones pushing the gun uproar, while they are more responsible than anything else for some of the crazies blossoming out there.

Have you ever watched the award winning program, “Dexter”....the hero is a freakin’ serial killer. Several people I otherwise respect LOVE this show. It GLORIFIES A SERIAL KILLER! What kind of message is that??? But no, they’re concerned that some little woman, who never broke a law, might have a gun to protect herself with.

The media HAS to be taken down or we have lost it all.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 1:47:41 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: sickoflibs
F+F this morning on FNC had a angry police offer on saying they printed the names and addresses of police officers and prison guards...

Those police officers - and their families were put at risk. And for nothing. Well, maybe for a big fat ego trip on the part of the Journal. The Publisher of that paper needs to fire the managing editor. This kind of stunt doesn't belong in a real newspaper.

25 posted on 01/07/2013 4:16:27 PM PST by GOPJ (News anchor arrogance is a cover for ignorance. - - freeper ryan71)
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To: SeekAndFind

A post from a few days back had the names, addresses, phone numbers and email address of all employees of the paper. I can’t seem to find it so anyone who can point me to that post I would sure appreciate it.

I would like to send them an email asking why they can support the 1st ammendment but not the 2nd.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 4:49:03 PM PST by bestrongbpositive
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To: absalom01

Great link!


27 posted on 01/07/2013 7:27:34 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: AuntB
RE:”The media HAS to be taken down or we have lost it all.”

???? what do you mean ‘taken down’ ?

28 posted on 01/07/2013 7:44:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NOT a principle!)
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To: absalom01

Really great work. I wonder how those a$$holes feel with their addresses on display. Only thig better would be to have links to pictures of the “courageous” men and women who work on the paper.


29 posted on 01/08/2013 3:49:24 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
The local police said they didn’t find the e-mails threatening and concluded that they “did not constitute an offense.”

First step in the police disengaging from concerns of the journalists. What will the police or firemen do when the New Journal calls for their help?

30 posted on 01/08/2013 7:12:11 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: sickoflibs

What I mean is this: We are all singing to the choir. The Media is who is influencing the masses. We have to find a way to reach them and expose the agenda of the mass media. They are the front lines in this war.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 8:04:08 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gun owners put on notice by burglary?

VIDEO:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2094237723001/?playlist_id=921261890001


32 posted on 01/15/2013 7:20:35 AM PST by KeyLargo
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