Skip to comments.Newt Gingrich: GOP Should Consider A Government Shutdown, It Works
Posted on 01/07/2013 7:24:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
NEWT GINGRICH: Let me ask you this. And I appreciate E.J.'s support here. But I want to make a point that probably he may not be as enthusiastic about. They have two vehicles. They have a continuing resolution, which is at the end of March, and they have the sequester bill. Now, these are legitimate government spending bills. The debt ceiling is different because it triggers all of these international financial problems and triggers the credit of the United States. They don't have to say, "We're going to be wimps." I've helped closed the government twice. It actually worked. Bill Clinton came in and said, "The era of big government's over," after two closings. Not before.
DAVID GREGORY: You also wrote in your memoir that you regretted it from the point of view, you relied too much on the enthusiasm of the activists and didn't factor in the disdain of the American people.
NEWT GINGRICH: But, no, we got reelected for the first time since 1928. And we would argue we would never have gotten to a balanced budget and we would have never have gotten welfare reform without that fight. So I think if the Congressional Republicans want to say, "You're going to have a really hard time with continuing resolution," that's perfectly legitimate. And it's a exactly the right grounds. And then take the president's speech from yesterday in which he said, "Once you have spent it, you have an obligation." And that's when I say, "Terrific. We agree."
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It totally blew-up in Mr. Newt’s face (with tons and tons of help from the MSM, who are a thousand times more in Obama’s corner even than they were in Clinton’s)
Methinks Mr. Newt wants John Boner to claim the albatross from around his neck.
RE: It totally blew-up in Mr. Newts face
Sure it did... but we got a balance budget for the trouble. What is it we want? To win politically, or what’s good for the country?
Not interested in Newt.
It’s Monday. It’s Newt’s day to play conservative.
While it didnt work that well for Newt,
I think he made some other good points on this,
Obama and Pelosi have been on TV for weeks claiming its the House GOPs fault for passing the spending bills that must NOW be honored by increasing the debt.
He suggests compiling those vids and using it against them when O and Reid shutdown the government and blame the House, “Here they (P+O) are on tape telling you that we should cut spending”.
I think that is a better plan than holding up the debt limit. Newt has his moments
You have Bob Dole the Senate Majority leader and soon to be presidential candidate to blame for that. He was pushing Newt to end the shutdown and take a deal, any deal because Dole believed it was endangering his presidential aspirations that he was perceived as being equally involved in the shutdown.
The sad thing is that Clinton Whitehouse insiders have said that Clinton had decided to give Newt most of the cuts he was asking for and was drawing up the plan, when the Republican's blinked first. We might very well be in a much better financial situation today if Newt would have held out another week and got the serious cuts he wanted.
Every 2-4 years, he is on the news programs advocating that the government should shut down.
Like his government shutdown was such a success — he ended up losing his speakership.
It blew up because of bob dole. In 1995 we had both the senate and house. we had newt in the house but the weak link was dole. Now we only have the house and the speaker is essentially a ‘bob dole’.
With this weak team - conservatives in the house must go around the MSM and try to convince voters that we don’t want to be greece.
Government Shutdown: 12 Things That Would & Wouldnt Happen
Heres what would and wouldnt be affected if Congress cant come to an agreement by the deadline:
What would be shut down or curtailed
During the last government shutdown 15 years ago, many veterans services were cut back, from health and welfare to finance and travel.
Parks and museums
National parks and museums would shut down and lose revenue from patrons.
In the last shutdowns in late 1995 and early 1996, the government closed 368 National Park Service sites, along with national museums and monuments.
Those seeking passports or other documents would not be able to do so.
During the last shutdown, 200,000 passport applications went unprocessed. In addition, the tourism industry and airlines reportedly suffered millions of dollars in losses.
During the last shutdown, the Social Security Administration kept enough staff in place to ensure benefits were paid out, but new claims werent processed. As the shutdown wore on, the agency recalled workers to start processing new claims.
A shutdown would result in the furlough of hundreds of thousands of federal employees. While on furlough, federal employees wont receive a paycheck, and neither will government contractors. Federal employees will eventually receive back-pay, but contractors wont be so lucky.
Federal funds to states would be cut off, leaving states already in a cash crunch to somehow fill the gap.
Law enforcement and legal services
During the last shutdown, delays occurred in the processing of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives applications by the ATF. Federal agencies suspended work on more than 3,500 bankruptcy cases and canceled recruitment and testing of federal law enforcement officials.
What would be kept running
President Obama has the discretion to keep certain government functions operating, especially when they are essential to keeping the nation safe, including the military, coast guard, foreign relations staff, border patrol and other national security officials.
The U.S. Postal Service wouldnt be affected and mail would still be delivered.
Air traffic controllers would remain on the job.
There would be no change to federal prison staff.
Emergency and disaster assistance personnel would also be at work.
Unrelated. He resigned in 1999, the shutdowns were in 95 and 96.
It is undeniable that after that showdown the growth of government spending slowed considerably, particularly compared to the periods before and after his role as Speaker of the House.
I'm not a Newt fanboy, but despite the media spin on the shutdown he did prevail in substance.
Essential Services and Personnel
A 1980 Office of Management and Budget (OMB) memorandum defines essential government services and essential employees as those:
- providing for the national security, including the conduct of foreign relations essential to the national security or the safety of life and property;
- providing for benefit payments and the performance of contract obligations under no-year or multi-year or other funds remaining available for those purposes;
- conducting essential activities to the extent that they protect life and property, including:
- medical care of inpatients and emergency outpatient care;
- activities essential to ensure continued public health and safety, including safe use of food, drugs, and hazardous materials;
- continuance of air traffic control and other transportation safety functions and the protection of transport property;
- border and coastal protection and surveillance;
- protection of federal lands, buildings, waterways, equipment and other property owned by the United States;
- care of prisoners and other persons in the custody of the United States;
- law enforcement and criminal investigations;
- emergency and disaster assistance;
- activities essential to the preservation of the essential elements of the money and banking system of the United States, including borrowing and tax collection activities of the Treasury; and
- activities necessary to maintain protection of research property.
Let me be absolutely clear here. There will be no disruption in Social Security, welfare, civil service retirement, or any other kind of open-ended mandatory program payments. The mail will not stop because the Post Office is largely self-funding (with you know, those stamps you buy to mail things with). Air traffic controllers will not go on furlough, jets will keep flying, the Border Patrol will keep on attempting to secure the border that Janet Napolitano wants unsecured, and our military will stay in the fight, however poorly and treasonously led by the current Commander-in-Chief.
Will there be adverse effects? Absolutely. We are talking about a government shutdown. But they are not the dire consequences Democrats are hyping. The only people who will really notice the government shutdown are government workers themselves, and most importantly, Congressional Democrats.
Notice that the CRS Report link is directly from the Democrats House Rules Committee website. So the Democrats know all this, but they blatantly lie about it. They have an advantage in doing this because the media relentlessly echoes their message.
Do not allow the media or hyperventilating Democrats to scare you into believing that the world will come to an end if the government shuts down. I advise you to go to the Congressional Research Service report and read for yourself exactly what the true effects are of a government shutdown.
Clifton is a Conservative and blogs at Another Black Conservative
Newt cant admit he lost on TV, but there is a reason he lost and it was simple. He let Americans think the GOP was shutting down the government rather than Clinton, and he did because he didnt understand Americans outside of a minority of his caucus. He thought it would be very popular.
This time the GOP would have to do prep work to convince voters that its Reid and O who are shutting down the government.
The other thing that is VERY DIFFERENT is that in 1995/96, the economy and debt of the US Government was no where near the disaster that it is today. I believe a majority of voters would approve of a Government shut down now, in spite of the predictable MSM's hysterics that will follow.
Really Newt? And how did that work out for you? Oh, waitaminute, you were the EX speaker of the House by the end of 1998... Anyone that listens to this clown and takes him seriously is unwittingly aiding and abetting the Dems...
Obama has already said he will negotiate, but everything is off the table except what he wants.
So we can either "negotiate" on Obama's terms or we can we can bring to bear the constitutional authority and responsibility of the House.
Let’s review recent history shall we?
Gingrich and the incoming Republican majority’s promise to slow the rate of government spending conflicted with Clinton’s agenda for Medicare, education, the environment and public health, leading to two temporary shutdowns of the federal government totaling 28 days.
Clinton said Republican amendments would strip the U.S. Treasury of its ability to dip into federal trust funds to avoid a borrowing crisis. Republican amendments would have limited appeals by death-row inmates, made it harder to issue health, safety and environmental regulations, and would have committed the president to a seven-year balanced budget. Clinton vetoed a second bill allowing the government to keep operating beyond the time when most spending authority expires.
A GOP amendment opposed by Clinton would have not only have increased Medicare Part B premiums, but it would also cancel a scheduled reduction. The Republicans held out for an increase in Medicare part B premiums in January 1996 to $53.50 a month. Clinton favored the then current law, which was to let the premium that seniors pay drop to $42.50.
The government closed most non-essential offices during the shutdown, which was the longest in U.S. history. The shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget plan.
Looking back — WHAT WAS SO BAD ABOUT THAT?
We found out that we could survive a government shutdown and in the end — WE GOT A BALANCED BUDGET, which led to rare surpluses in the late 1990’s and a booming economy to boot.
“The sad thing is that Clinton Whitehouse insiders have said that Clinton had decided to give Newt most of the cuts he was asking for and was drawing up the plan, when the Republican’s blinked first.”
Don’t interrupt the kapo-conservatives when they are trying to get us all in the showers in an orderly way.
Call me a skeptic, but in an era where the MSM convinced most of the voters who were exit polled that the crappy economy is still Bush’s fault....I can’t see this working.
RE: you were the EX speaker of the House by the end of 1998.
In 1998 Republicans lost five seats in the Housethe worst midterm performance in 64 years by a party not holding the presidency. Gingrich, who won his reelection, was held largely responsible for Republican losses in the House.
Newt’s private polls had given his fellow Republican Congressmen a false impression that pushing the Lewinsky scandal would damage Clinton’s popularity and result in the party winning a net total of six to thirty seats in the US House of Representatives in this election.
The day after the election, a Republican caucus ready to rebel against him prompted his resignation of the speakership. He also announced his intended and eventual full departure from the House in January 1999.
STILL, WE HAD A BUDGET SURPLUS AND A BOOMING ECONOMY. If today, accomplishing that same feat means we sacrifice Boehner’s Speakership, I’m all for it.
RE: but in an era where the MSM convinced most of the voters who were exit polled that the crappy economy is still Bushs fault....I cant see this working.
So what is the alternative other than to cave and kick the can down the road and continue on our path towards Greece?
If we continue to fear the MSM, we might as well allow them to dictate the agenda for this country.
It only blew up because the liberal faction of his own party set out to destroy him. He was being too effective.
Can't hurt. The status quo ain't workin.
Monica Lewinsky totally needs a new gig.
Post #12 is correct. Newt lost his speakership because he couldn't control his zipper. Not from fallout over the government shutdown.
FWIW, I think Newt was and is an ass. If he had gotten out of the presidential primary race after winning only two states (including Georgia), then it is possible we could be looking at president-elect Rick Santorum. Not likely, given the abject stupidity of this country, but possible.
That being said, the government shutdown was the right thing to do at the time. Were it not for Timothy McVeigh and Bob Let's Make a Deal Dole, it is entirely possible that Newt's communication skills might have been heard over the enemedia at the time. We were a smarter country back then.
McVeigh, even more than Dole, was the man most responsible for getting Clinton re-elected.
. . . which made a convenient excuse to ride Newt out of the speakership when zipper control was the real reason.
For 10 points, name his short-term successor who never took the gavel when it was also revealed that he had zipper control problems of his own. Hint: He was from Louisiana.
The Republican side has more sense of shame than the Democrat side of the aisle.
Livingstone and Gingrich left because of zipper control ( and I remember they also outed Henry Hyde for committing adultery over 30 years back ).
Clinton on the other hand held on, this, considering he had Monica, Jennifer, Paula, Juanita, Katherine, etc. on his resume.
The argument that we can’t hold up the debt limit because of “already incurred debt” is ludicrous. The debt limit is about NEW BORROWING. All existing borrowing was for bills we already paid. And the 14th amendment guarantees that debt — it would be the first thing we would cover with our revenue.
But furthermore, the debt limit is a better vehicle to fight for cuts than the continuing resolution, precisely because the debt limit doesn’t shut down government.
The debt limit simply stops us from borrowing more money, limiting us to spend only what we receive in revenue. So what exactly gets shut down would be all up to Obama, subject to any specific priorities that might have been snuck into specific legislation.
There is nothing that requires the president to do an across-the-board cut of equal value when he loses additional borrowing authority.
The continuing resolution can be used by the senate and the president, if they want, to force republicans to shut down government and get blamed for it. We could pass individual bills to control what gets shut down, but the senate would simply not act, the president would veto if it did pass, and would argue with the media help that we were playing games.
Plus, a government shutdown is a very disruptive thing. Conservatives sometimes like to pretend that they would love the government to disappear, but they don’t mean it, and it would be disastrous. As it is, there are some safeguards that allow the government to continue some core functions during a shutdown (this itself is not clearly constitutional or legal, but nobody seems upset by the idea that the president can continue to pay troops and operate prisons, even if congress has not passed a law which authorizes spending any money on those things; oddly, if congress specifically removes spending for something from the bill they DO pass, we EXPECT the executive to NOT spend that money, but if we pass no authorization at ALL, then it’s OK...)
BTW, the house has passed good bills for spending, but the media doesn’t even REPORT them, so nobody knows that all the spending bills are rotting away in the senate. This protects the senators from having to vote on things they don’t want to vote on, and the president from having to veto programs that are popular because the bills have too little spending on his pet projects.
But the House should get on this right now. We should pass the debt limit bill as part of a budget authorization that limits spending to what we want. The debt limit should include quarterly or yearly increases that precisely match the deficit we have placed in the budget we pass.
Then we should pass small continuing resolutions, one for each of the 13 called-out appropriations, which reflect OUR spending priorities, and include the deficit reduction we want.
We should publish these bills, and then every representative should be out speaking about this, every day, until we break through the media and the nation understands that all the spending is passed, and waiting for the democrats to either pass in the senate, or to pass their own version so we can do conferences and finish the job.
We shouldn’t say ONE WORD about a government shutdown. A shutdown is not part of any plan. Our plan should be to appropriately and sensibly fund government, and we should keep passing bills that do that. Government shutdown should happen only if the democrats refuse to pass a bill, or the president refuses to sign a bill.
Again, that’s the nice thing about the debt limit. There is absolutely no reason we HAVE to pass a new debt limit bill. The current debt limit bill authorized the existing debt, and we have sufficient revenue to pay for essential services. And we’d see what Obama thinks is essential, and could make the argument be of PRIORITIES — “Look, these people aren’t getting a core government service, because Obama is handing out money to wind companies that do us no real good”
Hopefully with Texas’ new senator Ted Cruz, we will hear less from and less about old has-been Newt.
All I know is this congress has failed to pass a budget for four straight years. I say if they don't pass a budget, they can't spend money. Period. No more continuing resolutions, which only guarantee that automatic spending increases happen every year with nobody being accountable for it. No more. If we need to shut the government down to make the Senate do its job, then so be it.
And when the press crucifies them, they can at least hold their heads up and say "The Democrat controlled Senate won't pass a budget, blame them."
A few trillion$ and years late, but still the self-serving clown will sit upon whoever’s couch is perceived to make Newtie look better today.
Don’t waste your time, some people are so blind with their hate for Newt (why they hate him I don’t know) that they wouldn’t agree with him if he said water was wet.
It’s interesting how badly it reflects on their character verses his.
RE: this congress has failed to pass a budget for four straight years
Let’s be more specific. The LOWER HOUSE of Congress has passed a budget. It is the Democrat controlled Senate that held it up and REFUSED to pass a budget of its own.
Wow, a knee-jerk disparaging Newtie defense with no mention whatsoever of any redeeming qualities.
Would you care to mention any?
Do you still think Ann Coulter is a serious conservative?
Newt was the best speaker we have had in my lifetime. Lots of revisionism going on in regards to his accomplishments.Many republicans were swept into office during the gop revolution..including Santorum. As for the charges against Newt..they were all dismissed.
“Among the first pieces of legislation passed by the new Congress under Gingrich was the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995, which subjected members of Congress to the same laws that apply to businesses and their employees, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. As a provision of the Contract with America, the law was symbolic of the new Republican majority’s goal to remove some of the entitlements enjoyed by Congress. The bill received near universal acceptance from the House and Senate and was signed into law on January 23, 1995.”
Would this poser please SHUT THE HELL UP? When Noot was Speaker, he didn't have the balls to shut the government down. After Clinton shut it down, Noot allowed Clinton to place all the blame on him. If Noot had been worth a damn, he would have told Clinton, "Damn right I shut it down. And everyone can see now that all that money you spend serves no critical purpose". But no, instead Noot shows what a weak ass he is and immediately increases the debt ceiling for Slick while getting absolutely nothing in return.
We haven't had a balanced budget since 1957. I don't think Noot was Speaker back then.
“When Noot was Speaker, he didn’t have the balls to shut the government down. After Clinton shut it down, Noot allowed Clinton to place all the blame on him. If Noot had been worth a damn, he would have told Clinton, “Damn right I shut it down. And everyone can see now that all that money you spend serves no critical purpose”. But no, instead Noot shows what a weak ass he is and immediately increases the debt ceiling for Slick while getting absolutely nothing in return.”
Good call. Big Media blamed Republicans for shutting down the government when the Great Clinton did it. Newtie takes responsibility when it’s politically expedient for him to do so.
Thatjoeguy: What do you have besides talking down to posters here to defend Newtie?
This is becoming too often from the same posters. Newt left the speakership because his lieutenants ( people that he help to bring on with the positive agenda) were worried that they would loose their jobs since the media went after Newt for impeaching their tool for their agenda Bill/the real woman chaser. More important, the big liar. It was pay back. He wrote a book. He taught a traditional history class. O My word! That was all it was. He was punished by some followers for his marriage problems. He has never blamed the standard of right and wrong for his sins. Why can't we get that settled.
He could have hidden in a room and not said to his lieutenants ( Like Santorium) don't pursue Clinton's lying under oath. He went after Clinton when they said..we must stop or we can suffer political damage. Who admires that. Clinton is a disgrace. Now, people build him up like he's all that. Clinton's appeasement and failures brought 9/11 and his hag wife, made sure her media and Bill's help to put the pressure on Newt to leave. You guys want change then complain someone speaks tough. Clinton did change due to Newt. Now, Obama has turned it all back around. Thanks in part to the weak republicans as he is saying. ( I will never forget Clinton what he did and did not do in Kosovo. He should be in prison IMO.) Now he's walking around like some freaking statesman. Same stupid/agenda driven people now build him up along with his corrupt wife.. and some are worried about Newt. Grow up and stop rewriting history. Let the government be helped for reforms.
You are correct but you will be labeled an extremest ideologue that cannot compromise.
Which clown SHOULD we listen to, in your opinion ?
“It only blew up because the liberal faction of his own party set out to destroy him. He was being too effective.”
And they have kept conservatives excluded or ineffectual within the GOP ever since.
Sorry for the double posts. Mod, you can remove one.
I wrote in to ask.
People can say what they want, Newt would have made a great President. He should have been our candidate.