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... Schwarzenegger Says 'Terminator' & Other Violent Movies Shouldn't Be Blamed for Mass Shootings
Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | 6 January 2013 | Reuters Reporter

Posted on 01/07/2013 7:40:26 AM PST by DogByte6RER

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Arnold Schwarzenegger says 'Terminator' and other violent movies shouldn't be blamed for mass shootings

Arnold Schwarzenegger may be one of the world's biggest action stars but the former governor of California says violence in films is entertainment and should not be linked to tragic events like the Connecticut school shooting in which 20 children died.

The star of films such as 'The Terminator,' 'Predator' and 'True Lies' told a press conference ahead of the opening of his new movie, 'The Last Stand,' that 'one has to keep (the two) separate.'

'(This is) entertainment and the other thing is a tragedy beyond belief. It's really serious and it's the real deal,' Schwarzenegger, 65, told reporters.

The actor, who will star in his first leading role in the film since serving as California governor for seven years, said the tragedy in which a gunman killed 20 children and six staff at the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, is about more than just guns.

'We have to analyze how we deal with mental illness, how we deal with gun laws, how we deal with parenting,' he said.

In 'The Last Stand,' Schwarzenegger plays a retired Los Angeles policeman who becomes a border town sheriff who must stop a violent drug lord from crossing the border.

The film, with its violent scenes, is the type of movie that National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre recently cited as a contributing factor to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: banglist; firstamendment; guncontrol; gunlaws; hollywood; killology; movies; schwarzenegger; secondamendment; terminator; videogames
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Do as I say ... not as I do.

1 posted on 01/07/2013 7:40:40 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER
I'll never pay a penny to watch another Ahnold movie.

I hope he fails.

2 posted on 01/07/2013 7:43:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the government. LIBERTY: When the government fears the people.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Makes perfect sense to me. Why bite the hand that feeds him. As long as he makes his money and as long as his life is not disturbed, why take any responsibility. He governed California with the same theory. JERK.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 7:43:46 AM PST by navymom1
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“Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill: A Call to Action Against TV, Movie & Video Game Violence”

Authors Lt. Col. Dave Grossman and Gloria DeGaetano offer incontrovertible evidence, much of it based on recent major scientific studies and empirical research, that movies, TV, and video games are not just conditioning children to be violent—and unaware of the consequences of that violence—but are teaching the very mechanics of killing.

http://killology.com/book_stop_summary.htm


4 posted on 01/07/2013 7:45:02 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: All

He is right..


5 posted on 01/07/2013 7:45:02 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: DogByte6RER

The idea that Art causes violence is absurd on its face. There’s been violent entertainment since the beginning of time.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 7:49:10 AM PST by Borges
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To: DogByte6RER

He has a brain tumah.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 7:50:07 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: DogByte6RER

'Terminator' & Other Violent Movies Shouldn't Be Blamed for Mass Shootings


And neither should the NRA nor law abiding gun owners!

8 posted on 01/07/2013 7:50:26 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Borges
The idea that Art causes violence is absurd on its face

Oh I don't know, I've seen a few movies that made me want to hit something after watching them, for wasting two hours of my life, mostly.

9 posted on 01/07/2013 7:51:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: DogByte6RER

And yet, I remember back in the early 90s when Arnold was at the top of his marketability, he decided to not show killings in his movies anymore. Terminator II did not have any. It was a joke but he seemed to think back then that showing killings in movies was a bad idea.


10 posted on 01/07/2013 7:52:31 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: DogByte6RER

Of Course Schwartzneggar says his movies are not harming kids.

He made a million dollars making those movies.


11 posted on 01/07/2013 7:52:44 AM PST by Venturer
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To: DogByte6RER

He omits that 'we need to deal with gun free zones which become rich target locations for those bent on doing mass shootings.'

'Gun Free Zones' are magnets for those mentally ill persons who want to committ mass murder.

It doesn't take much 'analysis' and $millions in studies and reports to figure that out.

But, hey, let's ignore the obvious because it doesn't fit the PC model and go after videos and/or movies and/or assault weapons, etc.

How many lives has changing the guns to cellphones in the final scenes of the movie E.T. saved? Countless! [/s]
12 posted on 01/07/2013 7:55:27 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: DogByte6RER

gee.. I seem to recall the Giffords shooting in which dems, the prez, and most of the MSM blamed a simple icon “Target” on Sarah Palin’s website for the mass shooting... it was the climate of “hate” you see, coming from our side that led to the shooting...

but a steady diet of gruesome vid games, and movies, all aimed at young men 12 to 17...nahhh... that has no effect on society and young men in particular... nope... no effect.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 7:59:40 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: DogByte6RER
I will never watch another ahnold movie... he has joined so many already on the list.

LLS

14 posted on 01/07/2013 8:02:41 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: DogByte6RER

I don’t agree with Arnold on much of anything (maybe nothing), but I agree with this. Movies and video games do NOT cause violence. What idiocy to claim otherwise. That’s like saying because the murderer wore pants that pants cause violence.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 8:06:05 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: DogByte6RER

Why do companies spend billions a year on advertising?

If reading something or seeing something has no effect, then advertising would have no effect.

For that matter, literature or poetry would have no effect. Propaganda would have no effect.

But we all should be able to concede that they do. The question is really on what effect does it have on individuals.

Each of us are different. Each of us are influenced from things within our environment and that includes television and movies.

Does that mean we need to censor movies, no. It just means we need to acknowledge that for some, the violence of television, movies and video games will influence them in ways that may not influence you or me.

The question to ask is where do children learn what is right and what is wrong? The family of course, but also in the stories told. If you look into the past most of these stories (even the violent ones) had a moral lesson to learn.

Perhaps that is what is missing in our current culture, the wrong moral lesson is being taught.

For a long time the movie industry had a moral code, one being the bad guy could not, must not win. That is no longer the case. Every since the anti-heroes of the 1960s the bad (evil) person may just as likely to win in the in as not.


16 posted on 01/07/2013 8:06:15 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Guns and movies do not cause crime....criminals cause crime.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 8:07:05 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Borges

Yes, but it has reached a whole new level when people enjoy violence porn such as Texas Chainsaw Massacre III. I was disturbed by the previews shown on TV, so I can’t imagine how awful the movie is. What kind of person wants to see other people tortured with a power saw? This is sick! To say that this doesn’t harden people to violence and the suffering of others is naive. As the Bible says, put no unworthy thing before your eyes. What we see, read, or listen to influences who we are and what we believe. Our society is sick and decadent.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 8:09:22 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: DogByte6RER
The standard response from all parties:

"I don't know what the problem is, but I know it's not how I earn MY money."

It's a complex blend of issues, which is why it can't be fixed (not by us anyway).

19 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:16 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Pining_4_TX

The audience for something like that looks at it like a videogame. I’d be surprised if any of the recent murderers in these shootings had even watched these violence-porn films. They were however all mentally ill. And besides the people who make this argument don’t distinguish between junk like the recent ‘Texas Chainsaw’ (ironically, the 1974 original wasn’t all that gory) and good films that happen to be violent (The Wild Bunch, The Terminator...)


20 posted on 01/07/2013 8:16:40 AM PST by Borges
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To: RIghtwardHo

If it is idiocy to think that then why did they ban cigarette commercials? In fact, why would anyone want to spend money on a TV commercial if it didn’t influence the audience.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 8:19:04 AM PST by MCF
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To: DogByte6RER

ALL of the kid killers were on psychoactive drugs... with the blessing of idiot liberals who see mind mucking drugs as ‘the answer’...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/


22 posted on 01/07/2013 8:19:21 AM PST by GOPJ (Our Friends don’t trust us.. Our Enemies don’t fear us .. - Freeper Tilted Irish Kilt)
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To: DogByte6RER

My parents did the damndest thing when I was a child watching these movies. They actually explained to me that they were fake. Who would have thought that a parent could actually do this?


23 posted on 01/07/2013 8:22:54 AM PST by Durbin
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To: DogByte6RER

saying that no one has ever been influenced by a violent movie is the same as trying to argue that no one has ever been improved by a great book.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 8:24:33 AM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Borges

I don’t care how the audience looks at it, it’s sick. To see a young girl hanging by her arms and some maniac about to saw off her arm is pure evil. Anybody who enjoys that is mentally ill.

And what did the shooter in CT spend all his time doing? He played violent video games.

Whether somebody is a mental case and acts on his violent impulses or is “normal” and just enjoys watching people being tortured and having blood spurting everywhere, the stuff that people are watching and listening to is still perverse. The garbage that passes for entertainment is proof of our deteriorating culture.

“Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy - meditate on these things.” ~ Phil. 4:8

“I will set no worthless thing before my eyes” ~ Psalm 101:3


25 posted on 01/07/2013 8:36:56 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: DogByte6RER

I’ll ‘controvert’ it.

Several of us beat this to death the other night. Here’s the real ‘incontrovertible’ fact.

Video games have existed since the 70s. First Person Shooters since the early 90s. Hundreds of millions of people throughout the world, including a sizable contingent RIGHT HERE ON FR play them.

Where are all the dead bodies?

Where are the literally millions of bodies that Grossman’s thesis predicts?

WHY are MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of long time gamers not suddenly snapping and blasting people like a bad Vietnam flashback movie?

Each and every one of you know gamers. Do you think those people are closet killers? If you think this idea is correct, then what in God’s name is wrong with you associating and exposing your family to these potential psychopaths?

Did you go kill anyone after playing cowboys and indians as a kid? You played that with real people. Your real friend played real dead and you pretended in your mind to really blow him into a thousand pieces across thee yard.

Gee Real friend vs. some collection of pixels on a screen. I wonder which would be more psychologically damaging...

And that is how stupid this is.

If society has reached the point we have to bubblewrap kids rather than teach the difference between right and wrong, good and evil then lets all just stop breathing right now.

Want to put blame? Blame parents for not explaining to their kid that games are not real, guns kill and HOW TO USE ONE.

Now if as a parent you choose to bubblewrap your kid, then don’t be surprised when they cannot properly deal with reality and make bad decisions. Same goes for ‘anything goes’ types that refuse to teach consequence.

But everyone thinking to ban games, do not be shocked when your own ‘safe’ little thing hits some lib’s ban list. There will be no one to help you.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: DogByte6RER

Ahnold is not an American.

We need laws to keep non-American born people from holding any political office.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 8:47:59 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: DogByte6RER
Terminator I, Scarface, Miami Vice, etc were instrumental in heightening public awareness of machineguns which led to the machinegun ban of 1986.

Similarly, in the 1970's, Saturday night specials were a Hollywood favorite and that's what the gun grabbers were going after in the 1970's.

Since 1986, Hollywood has pushed the black guns and not coincidentally, black guns are what the gun grabbers have been going after.

28 posted on 01/07/2013 8:50:01 AM PST by fso301
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To: DogByte6RER

The chief causes of these mass murders are insanity and drugs.

It’s not the violence of movies that necessarily does the damage, provided that the movie distinguishes between right and wrong. Killing the bad guys can be good. Killing kids—bad.

That’s why I have reservations about folks like Quentin Tarrantino. I don’t think he draws the necessary moral lines in his movies.

I DO think that the media are partly to blame. They make it possible for these crazy kids to think that they can become FAMOUS if they go into a school and shoot a lot of kids before committing suicide. And it’s true. They CAN become famous.

I have no desire to see another Schwarzenegger movie. The guy was a political jerk, and that would spoil it for me. But his moves did, on the whole, distinguish between good and evil.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 8:53:25 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

completely agree with you and perfectly stated.

advertising and culture do have an effect. books have an effect, the Bible has an effect, movies, TV and music all have a cumulative effect.

to state otherwise is ridiculous. Violence in movies and games has a different effect on everyone.

what to do about it? there’s the rub. better attention paid to things in the culture that DO have a positive effect on our young, hard work, goodness, prayer, etc..

we need to counter the awful effect of that crap.

1st amendment must stand, obviously...


30 posted on 01/07/2013 8:59:28 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Norm Lenhart; All

Just another point to consider on the movie thing...Apply this to whatever you do..

I am a hobbyist musician that has played guitar since Spandex and Hair Metal ruled the land. in the last couple years I have moved to computer music.I have been studying music theory. A lot. A WHOLE LOT. For hours at a time since health concerns leave me non active.

I spend a lot of that time on video courses and such. Because I WANT to learn it I ACTIVELY WANT to learn a thing and ACTIVELY work toward that goal by watching tutorials and reading everything I can about it.

Yet I cannot compose a symphony. The ultimate musical expression.. I cannot play a Steve Vai guitar solo note for note. Hell I can’t even approach it.

So if the movies CAUSE violence meme holds true, why can’t I? Why should a person PASSIVELY watching a movie suddenly develop violent tendencies when I cannot magically learn to write Mozart while ACTIVELY putting far more effort into it?

Apples and oranges? Nope. Because the underlying theory holds true for both.

It either holds true for both or neither.

Therefore logically, the answer lies somewhere else. And the core of that answer is that there is a whole lot more involved. For both.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 9:00:30 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m still waiting for my phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range, to come in!

Product placement adds in movies must work or they would not be placed there.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 9:17:39 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Borges

Correct. Art is a mirror that reflects who we are. If our art is violent, it’s because we are violent creatures, not the other way around.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 9:22:04 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Borges

Ever see children acting out the characters and stories of books and movies?Children learn much by imitating what they see and hear.

Of course violent for the sake of viloence entertainment degrades a society.

You think the Romans watching the Christians devoured by lions in the Coliseum weren’t influenced?

Evidently you know nothing of humans and reality.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 9:23:14 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: DogByte6RER
Little late for "coming out" - your movies had NOTHING to do with the nut cases and budding nut cases.

Hmmmmmm....what to say to the hypocritical.....

35 posted on 01/07/2013 9:28:27 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Hey, just what you see, pal.

36 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:17 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ditto.

Hollywood is a problem but they (Arnold, et al) are all saying "Not Me, Not Me."

Are they even considering that they might be part of the problem.

*crickets*

37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:33:11 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Norm Lenhart

Creating new music and committing violent acts are most certainly not comparable.

Your premise is false.

The violent killers are bent on destruction and the trigger of a gun is much easier mechanism to obtain the desired result than a keyboard or guitar string.

It has always been easier to destroy than to build.

Celebrating and glorifying vuiolwence is not Art.

Very little of what is called Art is truly artistic;much is garbage esthetically and artisically,and if ALL government funding for Art ended tomorrow I think we would be better off!

By the way do you consider “snuff films” Art ? What do you use to differientiate Art and porniography?And do you really maintain those do not influence people?

I say you can’t live on a diet of crap without getting sick; and much of today’s Art, especially aimed at teens is crap.


38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:33:50 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Chuzzlewit

“a steady diet of gruesome vid games, and movies, all aimed at young men 12 to 17”

So, what do you suggest? Punish all of society because some people are poor parents and allow their 12-17 year olds to consume garbage?


39 posted on 01/07/2013 9:34:40 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: DogByte6RER

“Blame Julia, not me, do it to Julia!!!”


40 posted on 01/07/2013 9:36:30 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: hummingbird

And the Republican establishment spiked a true conservative candidate so Ahhhnold of the kennedys could be Governor of California.

Great success.

He is a mediocre actor as well.Those shoot ‘em up movies require little real acting talent.Nor are the movies believable.The movie where he played a Russian cop was his best.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 9:39:32 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Pining_4_TX; All

Then what is your solution without violating the 1st Amendment??


42 posted on 01/07/2013 9:41:42 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: dfwgator
"Oh I don't know, I've seen a few movies that made me want to hit something after watching them, for wasting two hours of my life, mostly."

And, that's two or so hours we can't get back. I didn't see SEX AND THE CITY but if I HAD to go (to be social), I'd excuse myself to go to bathroom and read a good book instead.

I always have a good book available just in case something like this comes along.

Wish I has thought of this in my younger years... Later, I could say 'you wouldn't believe the lines in bathroom'. And, that would be true whether bathroom is empty or crowded. She how I did this! I made this, no body made this for me. Obama = 0.

43 posted on 01/07/2013 9:49:15 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: Boogieman

Is it punishing all of society by requiring grocery stores and restaraunts to be clean and not sell rotten food for the body?


44 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:25 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: TomGuy
"He omits that 'we need to deal with gun free zones which become rich target locations for those bent on doing mass shootings.'"

Gun Free Zone signs need to be all taken down and recycled.

45 posted on 01/07/2013 10:01:07 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: hoosierham

The Romans were watching ‘actual’ violence not pretend violence. And that’s what parents are for...to teach kids right and wrong. Victorians read gruesome penny dreadful about Jack the Ripper types and were none the worse for it. Some people think that sort of thing actually purges actual violent thoughts by acting them out in fantasy land. Otherwise they fester. The inability to tell reality from fantasy is one of the primary marks of psychosis.


46 posted on 01/07/2013 10:07:07 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
The idea that Art causes violence is absurd on its face. There’s been violent entertainment since the beginning of time.

Agree and disagree. There is art that glorifies the hero who must employ violence in order to end evil violence and defend home/country/faith. This is virtuous art.

And then there is "art" that simply glorifies violence for the sake of violence. Think Quentin Tarantino. Or for shock value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VK54bw95pY

No virtue. It's the pornography of violence.

47 posted on 01/07/2013 10:13:11 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Get your hair clippers, Patriots! The Vichy Republicans asked for it. 2014!)
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To: Sirius Lee; All

Then what is your solution???


48 posted on 01/07/2013 10:20:57 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: Boogieman

I don’t have a suggestion..and I agree with you..parents shouldn’t let their kids consume that stuff..

all voluntary measures are what is needed.. no legislation is needed and would pass muster anyway with the 1st amendment.

I think that stuff is garbage... if people want to consume garbage then they have every right to consume it.


49 posted on 01/07/2013 10:20:57 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Sirius Lee

There is good art and bad art. Always has been. QT’s best films are about more than violence and most of them aren’t nearly as violent as they are made out to be.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 10:33:30 AM PST by Borges
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