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'She's as guilty as her rapists': Fury as Indian guru blames victim for vicious gang attack
Daily Mail ^ | 01/07/2013 | HUGO GYE and SUZANNAH HILLS

Posted on 01/07/2013 9:42:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind

A self-described 'spiritual guru' has sparked outrage in India after saying that the 23-year-old rape victim who died after being assaulted by six men was partly responsible for her own attack.

Asaram Bapu said that Jyoti Singh Pandey, whose fate has drawn the sympathy of the world and been treated as a national tragedy within India, was 'as guilty as her rapists'.

He added that she should have been more friendly to her attackers if she wanted to preserve her own life.

Politicians and web users have reacted with fury to the 71-year-old guru's comments.

Asaram Bapu's controversial intervention in the case comes on the day that five of Jyoti's six alleged attackers appeared in court to face charges of murder, rape and abduction.

A judge ordered that the courtroom should be closed to the public after more than 150 people tried to cram in to a room designed for around 30 during the suspects' initial hearing.

'Only five to six people are not the culprits,' Asaram Bapu said. 'The victim is as guilty as her rapists. 'She should have called the culprits brothers and begged before them to stop.'

He added: 'This could have saved her dignity and life. Can one hand clap? I don't think so.'

Leading political figures were quick to condemn the inflammatory comments, which one opposition politician called 'regrettable, deeply disturbing and painful'.

Sandeep Dikshit, from the ruling Congress party, said, 'Such comments should be condemned as much as possible,' while his colleague Rashid Alvi added that religious figures should 'give serious thought' before commenting on public affairs.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asarambapu; guru; india; jyotisinghpandey; rape; rashidalvi; sandeepdikshit Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: SeekAndFind

The hatred and sickness of old men like this really astounds me. His following there in India must be just like that of “The Barack” here in what we used to call America.


2 posted on 01/07/2013 9:44:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
"Can one hand clap? I don't think so."

Can one hand kill? It most certainly can.

3 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Gaffer

PPS....maybe somebody will put a bullet where that little red dot on his forehead is.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

You don’t reason with animals, Guru.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:58 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: SeekAndFind

‘She should have called the culprits brothers and begged before them to stop.’ He added: ‘This could have saved her dignity and life.

Before or after they’d bashed her in the head?
He’s not very bright is he?


6 posted on 01/07/2013 9:47:53 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

More 7th century evil. This moron should be made an example of and ripped to pieced by the decent people of India.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 9:48:33 AM PST by soycd
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To: SeekAndFind

“Spiritual guru” spewing nonsense like that- has to be a liberal. Liberals also shifted the blame of 9/11 onto the U.S., saying it was “our own fault for bullying the world” and all that. Sounds like almost exactly the same thing here.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 9:51:26 AM PST by richmwill
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Someone needs to tell him it’s not polite to point.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 9:56:18 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind
All cultures are of equal value.

All religions are really the same religion expressed in different ways.

10 posted on 01/07/2013 9:58:09 AM PST by wideawake
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To: richmwill

In Indian culture, especially traditional Indian culture, women are chattel. They’re property.

Don’t forget, Indians had the custom of sati (or suttee) wherein the widow of the dearly departed would immolate herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. While she was alive.

Because widows are considered bad luck. Women in general are considered bad luck in traditional Hindu culture. Female infanticide is widespread. And rape is a major problem, and viewed by more traditionally-minded folks (such as the guru here) as essentially crime....because women really aren’t human.

That’s the mentality you’re looking at. Extremely patriarchal and deeply provincial.


11 posted on 01/07/2013 9:58:58 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hopefully Assram Bapu will have the opportunity to call the culprits brothers and beg before them to stop.
12 posted on 01/07/2013 9:59:48 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Oops. Meant to say, “rape.......is viewed as essentially a non-criminal act.....because women really aren’t human.”

Fingers typing too fast. Sorry about that.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 10:01:20 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Gaffer
He added that she should have been more friendly to her attackers if she wanted to preserve her own life.

Perhaps, bet should would have stood a better chance if she, her companion, and several other people on that bus had been well armed.
14 posted on 01/07/2013 10:02:38 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

If I were this woman’s father and I had a.......well, you know what I’d do. This ‘guru’ has outlived his time.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 10:07:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

He added that she should have been more friendly to her attackers if she wanted to preserve her own life.
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Yes 6 friendly bullets would have been the reasonable response...


16 posted on 01/07/2013 10:15:10 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gaffer

These people are the reason genocide was invented for.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 10:19:45 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Gaffer

He looks, sounds and dresses like Reverend Wright with a bit more cream in his coffee.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 10:40:39 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

That’s a load of crock. Did you read the part where it said people were outraged by what this guy said?


19 posted on 01/07/2013 10:46:35 AM PST by ravager (I)
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To: Gaffer
Sandeep Dikshit, from the ruling Congress party, said...Wow, there's an unfortunate name.
20 posted on 01/07/2013 10:48:11 AM PST by j_tull
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To: j_tull

Bwaaaaahaahhhaaaaa!...you just can’t make that sh!t up!


21 posted on 01/07/2013 10:52:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Morris70

You would make Hitler proud,


22 posted on 01/07/2013 10:58:09 AM PST by ravager (I)
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To: Morris70

You would make Hitler proud,


23 posted on 01/07/2013 10:58:23 AM PST by ravager (I)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The guru is a Gandhian pacifist.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 11:18:26 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: All

But, according to Free Trade Globalists, Indians are smarter than Americans and work harder.....so we should give these heathens all our jobs. Oh, and Free Trader Globalists will start calling us ‘racist’ if we continue mentioning raping Indians....just wait


25 posted on 01/07/2013 11:24:30 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: Gaffer
Sandeep Dikshit

I would petition to change my last name.

26 posted on 01/07/2013 11:30:52 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: SeminoleCounty; AnAmericanAbroad; ravager

RTFA.

The guy who made the statement is under fire from, GASP, Indians who don’t stand for crap like that.

Then you have your vanilla-variety American heathens and politicians claiming last year that a woman’s body shuts down during rape. Birds of the same feather...

The last thing India needs is family advice from a nation where 40+ percent of all newborns are born as bastards, to never know of the father(s) leaving women bearing those kids enough stress to kick them into post-partum depression. It’s like a plague how widespread the problem is, in America. And yet, all the sanctimony and the holier-than-thous.

Hypocritical oafs, all.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 11:37:45 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Indeed, Tennessee Nana, she should have been armed and now she’d be alive and those pieces of scum would be dead.....should have been exactly what happened.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 12:36:10 PM PST by jodyel
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Gandhi actually advocated the use of gun to protect against rape.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 12:47:02 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: James C. Bennett

When it comes to running the mouth, a lot of people around here can give this Guru a run for his money,


30 posted on 01/07/2013 12:49:47 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: Myrddin

LOL! Change the first name, too, while you’re doing the paperwork.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 12:53:28 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: SeminoleCounty

Ah. And just a matter of time before you show up to being your usual whine about jobs outsourced. Never mind what the topic is.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 1:01:26 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: Sopater
Perhaps, bet should would have stood a better chance if she, her companion, and several other people on that bus had been well armed.

"bet should" should be "but she"

Don't know how I even did that....
33 posted on 01/07/2013 1:12:32 PM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: j_tull
Sandeep Dikshit, from the ruling Congress party, said...Wow, there's an unfortunate name

LMAO

Rearrange it and you could say those rapist's Diksan Deepshit...

34 posted on 01/07/2013 1:22:10 PM PST by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: j_tull

“Provocative dress? Sari seems to be the hardest word.”
Asaram Bapu


35 posted on 01/07/2013 1:24:00 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: j_tull

‘Sandeep Dikshit’

We have some politician Dikshits, don’t we?


36 posted on 01/07/2013 1:29:32 PM PST by Delta Dawn
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To: Gaffer

Swami wrapped his turban too tightly. Nasty guy! You can see his photo at the source


37 posted on 01/07/2013 1:41:19 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ravager

No doubt about that.

Professional wankers.


38 posted on 01/07/2013 1:42:06 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: ravager

He also recommended that Jews in Europe just go to the gas chambers peaceably. He advocated the non-violent thing in all situations, just as this guru blames the victim for not having done the non-violent Gandhian thing and befriending her attackers.


39 posted on 01/07/2013 2:46:10 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Gaffer
'Only five to six people are not the culprits,' Asaram Bapu said. 'The victim is as guilty as her rapists. 'She should have called the culprits brothers and begged before them to stop.' He added: 'This could have saved her dignity and life. Can one hand clap? I don't think so.'

I would be entertained if some relatives and friends of the girl grabbed this idiot and made a video of him being beaten while he tries begging them to stop. See how well that works for him.

40 posted on 01/07/2013 2:50:50 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
“I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.”

“But I believe that nonviolence is infinitely superior to violence, forgiveness is more manly than punishment. Forgiveness adorns a soldier...But abstinence is forgiveness only when there is the power to punish; it is meaningless when it pretends to proceed from a helpless creature....”

“I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully.”

--By Gandhi

More here..........

http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm

41 posted on 01/07/2013 3:42:15 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: ravager

haha, well said!


42 posted on 01/07/2013 7:52:20 PM PST by coldphoenix
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To: ravager

Good to know, and I’m surprised. Thank you for sending it.


43 posted on 01/07/2013 10:42:06 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

This “guru” really should have been made to go get a job.

The appropriate response to his stupidity here would be if muzzies stormed in and made a video of his beheading. I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh. But in the nicest possible way.

Thanks SeekAndFind.


44 posted on 01/08/2013 5:04:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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