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Rand Paul: Less Aid to Israel Would Increase Its Sovereignty
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 07 Jan 2013 05:34 PM | Stephen Feller

Posted on 01/07/2013 5:49:38 PM PST by Olog-hai

If financial aid to Israel were slowly decreased over time, it would increase the Jewish state’s sovereignty because they wouldn’t need to get permission from the U.S. every time they need to defend themselves against aggressive neighbors, Sen. Rand Paul said on Monday.

Paul said that while he knows the idea of decreasing any kind of foreign aid is a “minority opinion” in Washington, it will be a lot harder for America to help others “if we are out of money,” reported Fox News. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 113th; antizionism; dumb; endallforeignaid; foreignaid; idiocy; isolationism; isolationist; israel; kentucky; paulbots; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaultruthfile; stupidparty
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To: EternalVigilance

“...nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.” - GW

You want to keep American soldiers, who swear an oath to defend the Constitution, as slaves to foreign kings, foreign governments, and pile endless debt upon the American taxpayer.
The billions we ship overseas for interest payment on those debts far exceeds the pork barrel arms sales to the various and sundry governments of the world we make. You have been deluded, and consequently you’re pushing for the Republic to be deluged in debt it cannot bear.
Your thoughtless response - whatever.
Keep up the good work, your ignorance, compounded by those who share it and lap it up uncritically, is doing more to destroy this country than OBL could have hoped to accomplish.


61 posted on 01/07/2013 11:53:50 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: svcw
Just like dear old dad, fund islamicfasist but screw Israel.

If you read the whole article, that's not what he says.

FIRST pull aid from Egypt/Pakistan etc before you even start talking about reducing aid to Israel.

Israel shouldn't have to ask us permission to defend themselves.

Not sure I see anything in there to disagree with.

62 posted on 01/08/2013 1:26:44 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Olog-hai

So Sen. Paul says we should first eliminate aid to Israel’s enemies before reducing aid to Israel. Arm Israel to the teeth while also eliminating to all Islamist countries? I’m cool with that.

I agree with his point that if they take our money, they also take the strings that are attached to it, and they need to be independently able to defend themselves. If, as some have stated in this thread, Netanyahu would also like to have our aid to them reduced so that they can be more independant, I’m cool with that too, as long as the whole world knows that we are completely on Israel’s side.


63 posted on 01/08/2013 1:40:18 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

How come Israel is the only one that has to abide with the alleged “strings attached” to the aid but none of the Islamist countries have to? See the problem with the argument?


64 posted on 01/08/2013 4:58:57 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Gunslingr3
You want to keep American soldiers, who swear an oath to defend the Constitution, as slaves to foreign kings, foreign governments, and pile endless debt upon the American taxpayer.

No I don't. You're making that up.

I simply don't want to gut our military and throw our most important allies to the hyenas.

Unlike Rand Paul or anyone else in leadership in the Republican Party apparently, I understand that our budget and debt woes are founded in unconstitutional spending, programs and agencies, not our national defense.

"Republicans" these days are overt New Deal Democrats, basically.

65 posted on 01/08/2013 7:40:46 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Si vis pacem, para bellum.')
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To: Gunslingr3

I support that too.

But I also understand that in some cases, you need to provide military assistance and aid to strategic military partners, especially in sensitive areas of the world.

You want to end foreign welfare? Get us the hell out of the UN and get the UN out of America. Stop spending money on social welfare programs overseas - like Bush II’s millions to Africa to fight AIDS, or Bush I’s food aid to Somalian maniacs, or Clinton’s military assistance to the Serbians in the Balkans or Obama’s military aid to the Egyptians, Libyan Rebels and Syrian rebels.

But remember that military alliances with real allies, not people like the Egyptians and Saudis, is beneficial to US, which is why I support it.

The two Pauls have unrealistic ideas about foreign policy. America isn’t Switzerland.


66 posted on 01/08/2013 7:48:33 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: American in Israel
You want to help Israel, don’t give money or weapons to Muslim’s.

Fine with me ... I'm for cutting out ALL (and I do mean ALL) foreign aid. The vast majority goes to third-world freaks that hate us. Cut it all ... gain for the American taxpayers, net gain for our allies ... only the muzzies and other scum really lose. Eff 'em.

67 posted on 01/08/2013 7:52:16 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SJackson

I agree with the whole concept of cutting aid. It’s down to $3bil a year, and that’s $3bil too many imho. One less lever to use on us.


69 posted on 01/08/2013 8:09:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Yehuda
You're an idiot.

First, gluteus maximus is the medical term for one of the butt muscles. It doesn't mean "fat ass." What a moron.

Second, I didn't vote for Obama.

Pi$$ off, fool.

70 posted on 01/08/2013 8:41:07 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Olog-hai

Less GOP $$$ to the Pauls would increase their libertarian self-reliance. No “straight party vote” ballot option either.


71 posted on 01/08/2013 8:53:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Yehuda

Eat this, you greasy little dweeb.


73 posted on 01/08/2013 10:10:13 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: ArrogantBustard

I agree with you, we cannot play charity when we have no money to give. Until the deficit is fixed, we should not be shipping cash overseas.


74 posted on 01/08/2013 1:21:45 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Eleutheria5
I agree completely. You'll note that unlike his father, or any advocates of cutting aid to Israel, he conditions it on eliminating aid to not only Israel's enemies, but to countries not supportive of the US. Which if you base it on UN votes, is just about all of them other than Israel.

Of course the two dirty secrets, foreign aid isn't a significant budget issue, and the expensive aid is expensed to the defense budget.

75 posted on 01/08/2013 4:18:48 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Yehuda; Gluteus Maximus

Hate to intrude with facts but a had the Jewish vote gone 70% Romney rather than Obama, not a single electoral vote would have changed. This is neither a Muslim nor Hindu nor Buddist nation, Obama was elected both times by Christians. The only election I’m aware of where it would have been significant was 2000, where a less than an additional 1% of the Jewish vote in Florida would have given us President Gore


76 posted on 01/08/2013 4:25:10 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Same goes for Lend-Lease in WWII.

What a complete a##hole, a muzzie-loving skinhead, just like his idiot father.

Thanks Olog-hai.


77 posted on 01/08/2013 5:33:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
What a complete a##hole, a muzzie-loving skinhead, just like his idiot father.

Well said.

78 posted on 01/08/2013 5:38:08 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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(Iran’s State TV- Press TV Interview)
[also, like Chuck Hagel, states his opposition to sanctions on Iran]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2769549/posts

[Ron Paul calls US troops “Occupiers”]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2417411/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2834019/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2832740/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2527405/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2820235/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2825592/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2526794/posts

Ron Paul: Israel can take care of itself
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2811304/posts

Paul: My policy benefits Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1923292/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2833634/posts

Rand Paul: My father is misunderstood on Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2828374/posts


79 posted on 01/08/2013 6:00:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Eaker

Thanks Eaker.


80 posted on 01/08/2013 7:32:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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