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Dershowitz: "Racist And Bigoted To Say That Guns Are Quintessentially American" (video)
RealClearPolitics ^ | January 7, 2013 | RealClearPolitics

Posted on 01/07/2013 8:54:13 PM PST by i88schwartz

ALAN DERSHOWITZ: I don't think it's the NRA power. I think it's people like us, not the two of us, but Americans who care about guns aren't doing enough to make our case to the public.

Because we think it's their issue. We've given that issue over to them because they have lobbyists they pay money. But in the end, the people determine the outcome. And it's wrong, and it's racist and it's bigoted to say that guns are quintessentially American. They may represent a part of America, but my grandparents who came over from poland and live in Brooklyn, New York, are just as much Americans --people who came over from Ireland, people who came over from Italy -- we're just as much Americans. We live on the coast and we have a right to define the America we want to live in and we have the obligation to win politically, to vote for people to put gun control as a high priority.

They put it as a number one priority. We who favor gun control put it as a 16th or 17th priority. So it's our fault, not the NRA's fault.

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KEYWORDS: alandershowitz; alexjones; banglist; guncontrol; guns; piersmorgan; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/07/2013 8:54:23 PM PST by i88schwartz
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To: i88schwartz

Huh?


2 posted on 01/07/2013 8:57:34 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

yes—huh?


3 posted on 01/07/2013 9:01:25 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: i88schwartz
Then amend the Constitution, if you can. That is quintessentially American. Anything else is tyranny.

-PJ

4 posted on 01/07/2013 9:01:38 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: i88schwartz

Dershitz is racist and bigoted.

IMHO, of course........


5 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:01 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: i88schwartz

Dershitz is racist and bigoted.

IMHO, of course........


6 posted on 01/07/2013 9:02:19 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: i88schwartz

“We live on the coast and we have a right to define the America we want to live in...”

No Alan, you do not. We live in a country where the Constitution decides how we live despite what everyone on the coast believes.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 9:03:15 PM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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To: onyx

Was it Dershewitz who’s confused, or another reporter who can’t manage compound sentences?


8 posted on 01/07/2013 9:03:32 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: i88schwartz
We live on the coast and we have a right to define the America we want to live in and we have the obligation to win politically, to vote for people to put gun control as a high priority.

So this idiots belief, and many on the left, feel that if they can get the voters to agree with gun control, they will disarm all of us law abiding Americans.

Well, expired race card or not, this isn't going to fly with the millions of Americans who will simply refuse to disarm no matter what proclamation comes from our government. If the time to fight for our rights has come, then let's get it on and get it over with. Time to liquidate those who want to take away our constitutional rights.
9 posted on 01/07/2013 9:03:31 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Beats me. Perhaps the reporter.

The p in Poland is not capitalized.


10 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:24 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: latina4dubya

LOL. Right.


11 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:50 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: i88schwartz

Everything is racist in Obamaland....


12 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:50 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: i88schwartz

Yawn...You make me sleepy, Alan...


13 posted on 01/07/2013 9:08:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: i88schwartz

Well you know they have lost the debate when they throw
the race card out there. They don’t have a leg to stand
on and they know it so they go racist.
Liberalism is just a fancy name for low life scum.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 9:12:07 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: i88schwartz

How pathetic. Allegedly a skilled lawyer, Dershowitz resorts to the race card in arguing for gun control.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 9:19:03 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: i88schwartz

Why is it, as Alan would have it, that people come here from Poland, and Ireland, and Afghanistan, and Kenya, and and and ... and, having left those hellholes, they want to change the USA into another hellhole like the one they left? I am sick of this mindset.

How about our immigrants and their offspring look at the USA, since they CHOSE to come here, often at great personal sacrifice and peril, and think about what it is that made the country work before their arrival, and what made it so desirable vs the hellhole they left?


16 posted on 01/07/2013 9:21:39 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: onyx

ANY so-called ‘jew’ whose family ‘came over’ from, of all places on earth, POLAND, and insists on gun control is a masochist, a lunatic, a traitor to his blood, (which I have stated many times before about dershowitz,) or worse. Much worse.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 9:22:22 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: i88schwartz

The Poles, Irish and Italians should certainly know the value of guns against tyranny more than most nationalities.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 9:27:10 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: i88schwartz
They may represent a part of America, but my grandparents who came over from poland and live in Brooklyn, New York,

I'll betcha a C note, his grandparents wished they had guns to defend themselves before they left Poland. Instead, they were fortunate enough to be able to retreat to America. But after America, there is no place to retreat to. That is why smart Americans will not allow their primary means of self-defense to be easily taken away from them. We've seen what happened in Europe when that was done: the lucky ones escaped while the unlucky ones ended up in gulags or, worse, in ovens.

19 posted on 01/07/2013 9:27:52 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: i88schwartz

I cannot understand why Dershowitz would want to make it easier for some future tyrannical government to herd people into the boxcars. He should study some history. Fairly recent history, actually, relatively speaking...

Sometimes the guy makes sense and other times he’s a moron.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 9:34:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: i88schwartz

ALAN DERSHOWITZ thinks George Zimmerman is innocent.


21 posted on 01/07/2013 9:45:50 PM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: i88schwartz

“we have a right to define the America we want to live in and we have the obligation to win politically, to vote for people to put gun control as a high priority.”

Does this 0.o anybody but me? That’s called infiltration- & maybe a reach, but to some extent, subversion, too. Professor Dershowitz has the same opportunity (& probably far greater means, too) his parents had to move to a country that is more agreeable to him. It isn’t like there aren’t any suitable alternatives. He grew up here. Why doesn’t he love America that has been good to him?
Mexican nationals invading the US & Muslims invading Europe come to mind because they are obsessed with changing those countries into what *they* want & damn the citizens. They don’t want to assimilate. They want to take over.

(This is the part of ‘spreading democracy’ that I think gets us into trouble. It inherently opens the door to those who think that turnabout is fair play. And that’s hard to argue. It’s different than defense against being attacked or threatened)


22 posted on 01/07/2013 9:49:21 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: BBell

That is the only sense he’s made in fifty years.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 9:50:42 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: i88schwartz
Firearms are quintessentially American.

If you don't like that then eat it, asshat!

24 posted on 01/07/2013 9:50:55 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: i88schwartz

Alan, were it not for free men with guns, your whole family would have gone into the ovens, and they would have been put there by a government in the same position you wish to place ours in. What don’t you get?


25 posted on 01/07/2013 10:01:37 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: i88schwartz
Like many liberals, Dershowitz seems ignorant of the details of the Revolution and of the thinking of the Framers of the Constitution and of the debate over ratification. In Federalist No. 46, James Madison refuted the idea that a federal standing army could overcome the well-armed American people, organized through local militias and supported by their state and local governments. As Madison reasoned:

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (emphasis supplied).

For Americans of that era, the effectiveness of a well-armed populace as an essential guarantee of freedom was a self-evident lesson of the Revolution. Without the American people being armed, there could not have been a Revolution, or at least not a successful one.

As it was, the lack of a Bill of Rights was a potent criticism by opponents of the proposed Constitution, with a guarantee of the right to keep and bear arms frequently cited as needed. To secure ratification, leading advocates agree to offer a bill of rights in the first Congress under the Constitution.

As proposed and adopted, the bill of rights therefore included a guarantee of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In that manner, Madison's reasoning and popular opinion of the time was incorporated into the bill of rights.

26 posted on 01/07/2013 10:12:38 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Lancey Howard
I cannot understand why Dershowitz would want to make it easier for some future tyrannical government to herd people into the boxcars. <<<

I can!....He thinks he's exempt!....lol..and the world wonders why the poor Jews get picked on???

(for a small fee...Alan can help us!!.../s..)

27 posted on 01/07/2013 10:20:16 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: i88schwartz

I’m not - nor will I be - a 30’s era, Jewish Berliner.

Come for my gun, you’ll get a bullet. It’s really that simple.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 10:23:22 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Tzar

Firearms wouldn’t have hurt the Jews in Germany and Poland in the 30s/40s, either. I don’t get Alan’s incredibly short-sighted thinking.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 10:33:48 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: i88schwartz

Unfortunately Dipshitowitz is the model for anti-Jewish rhetoric.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 10:37:22 PM PST by Cyman
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To: i88schwartz

I notice with the libs, it’s [what we hate insert here] is racist!!! I mean, they would probably call Dr. Martin Luther King a racist if he were still alive.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 10:54:48 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: i88schwartz

Douchebag shoulda stayed in Poland

(whoops)


34 posted on 01/07/2013 10:54:58 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: i88schwartz

There it is again: people “who live on the coast(s)” who want to “define” America.

“I think it’s people like us, not the two of us, but Americans who care about guns” are exactly those who spend their money to have and keep them.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 10:56:57 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: onyx

>> Huh?

Agreed.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 11:02:51 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: i88schwartz

Another point that Dershowitz is willfully ignorant on is the original basis for gun control in this country. The gun control movement was specifically started with the intent of keeping free blacks defenseless from attacks by whites. I challenge Dershowitz to site examples of post-Civil War laws which were passed with a more racist intent than gun control laws were. Nothing approaches it - not segregation, not Jim Crow laws, not even anti-miscegenation laws. Simply put, nothing is as disgraceful as the attempt to disarm fellow citizens from defending themselves. A son of Jewish emigrants from Poland should know this better than most.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 11:10:25 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Gene Eric

:)


38 posted on 01/07/2013 11:20:02 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: i88schwartz

Alan, with all due respect. Nobody MAKES you own a Gun, unless you live in Switzerland.


39 posted on 01/07/2013 11:28:27 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: wardaddy

Somebody needs to sneak up behind Dershowitz and yell “Hackenholt Foundation!”


40 posted on 01/07/2013 11:44:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Rockingham

Hamilton rocks the subject around 30 or 32.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 11:45:05 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: MestaMachine

The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto were “dying” for guns, any kind, any caliber, to fight the Nazis. Though doomed, these Jews decided to fight evil to the end.

I must point out that a leader of the Free Polish Army,Stefan Korbonski, was the only Polish military leader (that I know of), who smuggled arms into the Warsaw Ghetto to give the people there a chance to fight. He was named a “Righteous Gentile” by the Yad Vashem Memorial organization in Israel, its highest honor that they could give to someone who was not Jewish.

Stefan was a friend of mine, and ranks up there with Polish diplomat, Jan Karksi, another “Righteous Gentile” as true heroes of Poland during WW2.

They are both blessed and honored memories to we Jews.

PS: I had relatives killed in Lemberg, Belzec CC, and Auschwitz Concentration Camp. Also had an acquaintance who made Molotov cocktails in Milo 20 before she, as a teenager, was made to leave the Warsaw Ghetto before the fighting (She ended up in a German slave labor camp as did her brother - Sachsenhausen CC, across the street). Both survived the war and she became a nurse in New Jersey.

History is full of heroes, too many unsung, but worthy of mentioning whenever possible.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 11:49:43 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It seems not, as those essays were on taxation.


43 posted on 01/07/2013 11:49:59 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

So much of my family, German, Lithuanian, and Polish were almost completely wiped out. People on FR don’t understand why I get so ‘touchy’ when they lump all Jews together when speaking of the leftist dem jews who I don’t even consider blood at all.


44 posted on 01/08/2013 12:08:24 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

PS
To this very day, as quirky as it might sound, I have absolutely refused to enter, let alone ride in, or drive, a volkswagen. I don’t use bayer aspirin or anything made by bayer. Have never bought a ford. A few other little things like that.


45 posted on 01/08/2013 12:16:56 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: onyx; All
I spend all day reading the latest news/opinion about mostly serious subjects happening now, both from liberals and pseudo Republicans and sometimes a conservative gets in there and I switch back and forth between CNN and Fox - I include all sides so I'll know what the enemy is thinking.

As a result regarding gun control, I am seriously worried Hussein's gun grab will be just the first “control” law and others will follow until we have to physically fight to keep our weapons.

In this first law, magazines are surely going to be limited to 10 bullets which is why there are few magazines left in stores now. A laser gives the shooter an advantage and I wouldn't be surprised if they are outlawed, too. If you want that laser, you should get it now even if you don't have the gun yet. Remember it must be the laser made for that specific gun.

Matt Bracken was exactly right. First they limit the kind of guns one can have and limit the accessories to add to the guns. Next is registration, then they are confiscated and the death toll starts growing. It has worked that way in every country that took guns from all citizens (except the bad guys keep theirs.)

The citizens of Australia gave all their guns to the government and they were all destroyed. Now, they are being killed in their houses and law enforcement can't stop it as there are too many. The citizens have added multiple locks on their houses and put in cameras but they have no weapon and they are terrified. I saw a film of the guns being picked up by a front end loader to be dumped and burned and saw/heard the citizens talk about their fear of being killed in their houses.

We cannot allow that to happen here.

46 posted on 01/08/2013 12:19:19 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: i88schwartz

Not everyone lives in an urban environment. I live a mile from National Wilderness. I have bear and cougars wander through my yard. Yes, they are black bears, but that hardly makes me racist. People would be fools here if they did not have a couple of guns.

My ancestors settled in Maine in 1626. They had guns too. In fact, they took their guns with them when they fought at the plains of Abraham in the Indian Wars and in the American Revolutionary War.

My 93 year old father has hunting guns and a nickel plated 45 - the one he was issued as an officer in the Navy. Pretty sure he had it with him at Pearl Harbor.

Guns are part of my American culture which has very deep roots. I consider further gun control legislation as a declaration of war against my culture.


47 posted on 01/08/2013 12:30:27 AM PST by marsh2
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To: i88schwartz

Race cards are like dollar bills - When you print a couple trillion of ‘em, they’re not worth as much.


48 posted on 01/08/2013 1:15:52 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: i88schwartz
Just another leftist American Jew who is a Nazi. I just do not understand these people but they helped to build the third reich under hitler. soros turned in his own people for silver.

LLS

49 posted on 01/08/2013 1:18:27 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: i88schwartz

I am curious. What does 88 stand for in your nic?


50 posted on 01/08/2013 1:31:51 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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