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McChrystal backs gun restrictions
politico.com ^ | January 8, 2013 | KEVIN ROBILLARD

Posted on 01/08/2013 5:51:00 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

”I spent a career carrying typically either a M16 and later, a M4 carbine,” McChrystal said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

McChrystal, who resigned as the top commander in Afghanistan after a Rolling Stone article portrayed him criticizing President Barack Obama, was promoting his memoir, “My Share of the Task.”

Obama is preparing to introduce legislation aiming to prevent mass shootings by the end of the month. Vice President Joe Biden is leading a task force on the issue and is reportedly considering a ban on assault weapons.

“I think we have to look at this legislation,” McChrystal said. “The number of people killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations. I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture, and we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”


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1 posted on 01/08/2013 5:51:05 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

FUSM


2 posted on 01/08/2013 5:55:29 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Currying favor for a “cabinet” post, or another pwned Hussein asset?


3 posted on 01/08/2013 5:55:54 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

― Patrick Henry

Then McChrystal is a traitor to the Constitution and to America.

4 posted on 01/08/2013 5:56:00 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dear General McChrystal,

Go f*** yourself.

Sincerely,
Free men


5 posted on 01/08/2013 5:56:26 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He voted for Zero in’08. What do you expect???


6 posted on 01/08/2013 5:56:39 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You can’t buy the M4 or M16, only semi-automatic imitations.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 5:56:39 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Weren't there reports from Afghanistan that the M4 platform was not powerful enough. The ballistics are different between a Remington .223 and a SS109 and shame on McCrystal for disseminating false information.
8 posted on 01/08/2013 5:57:01 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

right general because the military will be used against the citizenry once the ‘ship’ hits the fan....

and Gen. McCrystal does not want his ‘boys’ shot ay as they take attempt to take away our rights...

General!, the 2nd amendment was NOT about hunting!

Molon Labe


9 posted on 01/08/2013 5:57:49 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: struggle

Bump.

Propaganda.


10 posted on 01/08/2013 5:59:17 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Obadiah
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.

George Washington

11 posted on 01/08/2013 5:59:47 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture, and we need to look at everything we can do to safeguard our people.”

How about getting rid of the criminals, as in Chicago.?
I surely wish people would stop calling the AR15, Bushmaster, etc., an assault rifle. Most wouldn’t know an assault rifle if you stuck it up their ass.


12 posted on 01/08/2013 6:00:16 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Personally, i do think there is a need for that. Are we not equipping our soldiers with the best tech? Why would you deny someone the best tech to defend themselves? You don’t say, hey all you need is one smoke detector, everyone on the other floor is on there own. Or, you only need airbags in thefront seat, your backseat passengers are on there own. No one should determine what i need or not when it comes to defending myself or my family - but me. The whole discussion is plotless. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, period. It does not say based on demonstrated need. No one asks if you need a Facebook account to express yourself. No one is trying to limit you to ten friends or less. Our rights shall not be infringed. The bill of rights is not there to allow us to do anything, it is there to explicitly prevent the government from doing things.


13 posted on 01/08/2013 6:01:28 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

McChrystal is a coward looking to personally enrich himself through book sales and in currying favor with the tyrant.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 6:01:47 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well General, more people in America were killed by clubs and hammers last year than were killed by ALL rifles.

Civilians must be able to defend against tyranny!

THAT is the the “legitimate” NEED!


15 posted on 01/08/2013 6:02:36 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hey Stanley, you dissed 0bama, he ain't givin' you no job. So just sit down and stfu.

5.56mm

16 posted on 01/08/2013 6:02:59 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don’t think we’re a bloodthirsty culture,...

The boy isn't very bright, is he? Guns aren't the problem General, the people are the problem.

17 posted on 01/08/2013 6:03:28 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In my experience as a provost marshal operations officer and as a provost marshal, I briefed a lot of senior military on crime stats and law and order issues. Sadly, this is the opinion of a lot of senior military, probably more the rule than the exception. I have my theories as to why that is the case, but my data is purely anecdotal and supposition.

Gen. Schwarzkopf, outspoken NRA member, was something of an anomaly.

18 posted on 01/08/2013 6:03:28 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He sucked pretty bad as an Army commander, too.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 6:03:49 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He added, “I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America. I believe that we’ve got to take a serious look — I understand everybody’s desire to have whatever they want — we have to protect our children and our police and we have to protect our population. And I think we have to take a very mature look at that.”

1. Uhhh General, schools are designated as "Gun Free Zones in America. Didn't you get the memo? How's that working out for you and the rest of us out here in Realville?
2. Has this idiot ever heard of Beslan
, Russia 9/1/2004


20 posted on 01/08/2013 6:05:10 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: struggle

“You can’t buy the M4 or M16, only semi-automatic imitations.”

You would think a “General” would know that unless he is willing to say anything to get on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 6:05:18 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Who cares what he thinks? A guy like McChrystal got to where he was by going along and “parroting” back what his masters told him. Obedience is the first thing they teach in the military. Remember, he was fired not so much because of what he said or did, but because some of those under him didn’t go along with der 0berFuhrer 0bama.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 6:05:18 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "gun control"! It's "people control"!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s epic leadership like this that brought us the great victory we achieved in Afghanistan.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 6:07:14 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Joe 6-pack
Sadly, this is the opinion of a lot of senior military

Which is why I personally question the reasoning that says, in the event of a blatant attempt at confiscation and usurpation of our 2nd Amendment rights, the military and police will refuse their orders. I just don't see it happening.

24 posted on 01/08/2013 6:07:32 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

McChrystel needs to reread the 2nd Amendment and explain to me what ‘arms’ it says we are allowed.
It should be educational to see what he says.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 6:07:51 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Do we not have ANY military leaders we can trust, who understand this nation and it’s founding, who will defend it’s people from it’s politicians? These guys have all gone politically correct on us and when things get bad are not going to chose our side.


26 posted on 01/08/2013 6:08:13 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oath of Commissioned Officers

I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)


Article [II]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

27 posted on 01/08/2013 6:09:11 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Many military/LEO are against the people bearing arms as long as they have theirs. It’s a power thing. They can all f*** themselves.


28 posted on 01/08/2013 6:09:42 AM PST by GnL
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To: Rannug

Chicago had 532 gun deaths in 2012. I wonder what percent of the national total that would be? Most restrictive gun laws in the nation, working well for the Chicago style. Libtards are simply evil with agenda that has nothing to do with safety or caring.

Gunner


29 posted on 01/08/2013 6:12:38 AM PST by weps4ret (Republicans are suffering from Testicular Atrophy!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The General is poster child for why each of us needs a combat rifle.

He is the kind of puke who would follow an illegal order to fire upon the citizens of this country.

30 posted on 01/08/2013 6:13:44 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets."

It was either that or this:


31 posted on 01/08/2013 6:14:45 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I agree. I was walking down the street the other day and kept tripping over M4s, AK-47s, AR-15s. They’re everywhere!

Get these weapons off the streets...now!


32 posted on 01/08/2013 6:16:18 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Obadiah

Yeah, he is. wow. That’s very disappointing.


33 posted on 01/08/2013 6:16:18 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It is important to remember that, once an officer gets past the rank of LTC, possibly once he gets past the rank of Captain, he is more a politician than a soldier.

McChrystal is no longer a soldier but a politician and will say or do anything to advance his position within this Administration.


34 posted on 01/08/2013 6:16:18 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If even a 4-star general is this ignorant of firearms it is no wonder that ended up in a quagmire. To wit:

The M4 and M16 are selective-fire weapons and are severely restricted on the civilian market, subject to licensing and taxes. When available at all they command 5-figure price tags. They are NOT readily available to criminals and are NOT comparable to civilian AR15 firearms.

None of the "massacres" of late were committed with M4s or M16, or with any other automatic weapons, for that matter. In every case, the crimes were carried out with civilian weapons.

If he thinks the ballistics of the 5.56 are frightening he should read up on the ballistics of commercial hunting cartridges like the 7mm Remington Magnum. But he might have nightmares afterwards so perhaps he shouldn't.

Where do we find these candyass "soldiers"?

35 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:25 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: ryan71

Do we not have ANY military leaders we can trust,

Sadly it is not looking like it. What a brown-nosing puke!


36 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:25 AM PST by usmom
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t know about anybody else, but I am already sick of seeing this pos all over my TV.


37 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:35 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Rannug

The democrats definition of an assault rifle is a gun that fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. My Grandfather bought a 12 gauge double barrel Ranger when he returned from World War 1. It fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. It can also fire two rounds at the same time. Much larger bullet than a little .223. My Ruger security six revolver fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. A nine shot 22 caliber revolver fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. Every automatic shotgun ever made fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. Do you know of many hunting guns that don’t fire a bullet larger in diameter than .223? Oh yeah, right the .17 that fires a big bb sized bullet.


38 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:42 AM PST by macglencoe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
2Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal backed banning assault weapons on Tuesday, saying guns like the M4 and M16 belong in the hands of soldiers, not on the streets.

As you were, General. There are very few M4's and M16's in the hands of civilians. If they are, they are pre-1986 BATF tax-stamped.

39 posted on 01/08/2013 6:23:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry..."

Then you haven't been listening to some Democrats who want to take our 401Ks!!!

40 posted on 01/08/2013 6:23:51 AM PST by avacado
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When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating.

When David Petraeus took a 5.56mm round through the chest, he was up jogging again two days later.

Attackers in Mogadishu had to be shot several times to stop them.

Hardly what I would call devastating.

That's why I don't own anything that shoots 5.56mm.

41 posted on 01/08/2013 6:23:58 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I agree. I find that they actually KNOW much less about the actual document they have sworn to defend (and the founder’s intent) than most civilians at the same level. All those years under UCMJ have misguided them somewhat.


42 posted on 01/08/2013 6:25:02 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I think we have to look at this legislation,” McChrystal said. “The number of people killed by firearms is extraordinary compared to other nations."

And yet, the violence rate is more severe in other nations.

Why is it that liberals and gun grabbers think that death by firearm is worse than death by brutal beating with an iron pipe?

43 posted on 01/08/2013 6:25:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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“And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

McChrystal has become quite the little propagandist.

A typical 300 win mag round or 12 gage shotgun slug will generate over three times the muzzle energy of the fearsome M4 and a Taylor KO (knock out) factor of ten times greater than the 5.56 nato round. The 41 mag generates a Taylor KO factor of three times the M4.

I’m guessing pretty much all shotguns, rifles and handguns really don’t need to be in the hands of civilians. After all, they’re just too devastating.


44 posted on 01/08/2013 6:28:12 AM PST by bereanway
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Loved him in City Slickers.


45 posted on 01/08/2013 6:30:23 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“And a M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed to do that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry.”

This guy is a pure moron.

.223 is devastating, as opposed to all the others? Please.

46 posted on 01/08/2013 6:31:46 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: struggle

Hey Ted Cruz, existing laws are unconstitutional! What do you have to say about that?


47 posted on 01/08/2013 6:32:50 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It is obvious that the 2nd Amendment prevents the government from infringing on the pre-existing right of individuals to own military type small arms. Federal court rulings support exactly this view. Has McCrystal read the Constitution?

Lessons the Founders gained from the Revolutionary War included the idea that ad hoc, untrained, ill-armed militias were unreliable and ineffective at fighting a conventional war, as then understood. The 2nd A’s enigmatic words “well-regulated” did not imply “government micromanagement” in the modern sense of “EPA regulations” (a concept that did not exist then). They address the need for militia to be armed with “regulation” weapons (i.e., the same as REGULAR army), and to have “regulation” training in their use, so that units could fight cohesively and predictably. Other provisions of the Constitution require Congress to provide for arming and training the militia — a duty they manifestly fail to perform (our tiny National Guard is obviously not the militia). Interesting how the Founders trusted the People more than the very government that they, themselves, were creating. Do McCrystal, Obama, Finestein, et al., trust the People?


48 posted on 01/08/2013 6:33:51 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: DuncanWaring
5.56 is not designed to kill. It is designed to be light, chamber in light, compact weapons, produce minimal recoil during automatic fire and to incapacitate targets, which it does relatively well when compared to submachinegun rounds. In short, it is a cartridge designed to exceeed the performance of pistol rounds while meeting the bare minimum performance standard for a battle rifle cartridge. A compromise within a compromise, if you will. It is not a serious cartridge for a serious battle rifle.

But in CW2 it is the weapon of the opposition and there will never be a shortage of ammo for it. So it has some value.

49 posted on 01/08/2013 6:36:03 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He had me until he opened his mouth.


50 posted on 01/08/2013 6:38:28 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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