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Americans aren't buying 'assault weapons' just to have something to register
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 7 January, 2013 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 01/08/2013 6:05:13 AM PST by marktwain

As discussed before, Senator Dianne Feinstein's (D-CA) proposed legislation to ban so-called "assault weapons" would amount to gun confiscation for many tens of thousands of peaceable, responsible, law abiding Americans. For the rest of the owners of these politically incorrect firearms, Feinstein's (as yet unreleased, but described in some detail) bill would merely mean a requirement for registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE).

Saying that the legislation would "merely mean registration" somewhat implies that registration does not lead to confiscation--that ease of confiscation is not, indeed, pretty much the point of registration. That notion is probably a tough sell for anyone who has followed the history of gun politics, both in the U.S. and abroad. Feinstein's home state, in fact, received "extra credit" in the Brady Campaign's ranking of states for anti-gun tyranny, specifically for using the gun registry for the purpose of wholesale confiscations.

Meanwhile, Americans are buying so-called "assault weapons" at a pace never seen before, and gun shows are packed like never before (see sidebar video), with "assault weapons," and ammo in calibers most associated with such firearms being by far the most highly sought items. At Midway USA, a huge online supplier of gun parts, ammunition and accessories, AR-15 magazines (of any size), upper receivers, and ammunition in .223 Remington or 5.56mm NATO are simply not to be had (generally not even via backorder)--and the rest of the gun retail world is in the same boat. One notable exception, by the way, is manufacturer Daniel Defense (known mostly for high-quality AR-15 parts), who had prepared for this, and is still serving the buying public--without a price hike.

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1 posted on 01/08/2013 6:05:22 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Americans aren't buying 'assault weapons' just to have something to register

If the 0bama regime and other in DC were smart, (and they certainly have proven they aren't), they would look at this phenomena and see that there is much more at work here than people trying to get something that may soon become a rare commodity. They need to evaluate why.

2 posted on 01/08/2013 6:09:29 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "gun control"! It's "people control"!)
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To: marktwain

3 posted on 01/08/2013 6:11:11 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: marktwain
Canada tried a gun registry. The gun owners of Canada sabotaged it by filing millions of "fake" registration forms and refusing to register their real guns. The registry which was originally suppose to cost less than $20 million, eventually ballooned to over $2 billion as they tried to scrub the fake registrations from the system. Last year thy finally gave up and dropped the registration requirement...

I would like to think American gun owners could do even better...

4 posted on 01/08/2013 6:13:07 AM PST by apillar
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To: marktwain

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2975695/posts

A decade ago I wrote the novel Enemies Foreign and Domestic, a tale about how tragic events involving the misuse of firearms can be used by an evil administration to misinform and mold public opinion to support its malign anti-freedom policies.

No, my novel was not predicting “Operation Fast and Furious” a decade before that covert policy of “pursuing gun control under the radar,” (which was President Obama’s explanation to Sarah Brady for his lack of overt political action). That inter-agency gun-walking policy, remember, resulted in the deaths of over four hundred Mexicans and two U.S. federal agents, murdered in an effort to discredit the Second Amendment and lead to more restrictive gun control laws in America. (If Nixon—or any Republican, for that matter—were in office, the intentional bloodbath would be called Murdergate, but today’s collaborating Woodwards and Bernsteins are in on the cover-up.)


5 posted on 01/08/2013 6:14:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

What would prompt someone to comply with a registration law? The government would be saying, “we don’t know who has one so tell us now if you do in case we decide to take it from you later”. As an example, the vast majority of otherwise law-abiding Americans would not report as income, $500 they won in a private bet. If such an order came down it would be interesting to watch the sale of 6” plastic sewer pipe and end caps. I understand that some people have discovered that sowing bits of scrap metal on their land makes metal detectors a bit less useful. Further, burying plastic bags full of scrap metal will produce a lot of false positives. Just some thoughts.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 6:19:55 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: marktwain

Why do we use the leftist coined term “Assault Weapons”?
Until the 70s we just called these firearms centerfire rifles.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:00 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: apillar

8 posted on 01/08/2013 6:24:36 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: marktwain

There will be more mass shootings, and the pitch of the discussion will rise with each one.

Leaving aside the constitutionality of any gun law, I am curious about how they would intend to go after the newly-banned firearms in the urban zones and the rural expanse. Good luck with that. This seems to be a proposed law aimed at white suburbia.


9 posted on 01/08/2013 6:31:58 AM PST by lurk
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To: marktwain
the legislation would "merely mean registration" -- a kind of license -- which for the uninformed voter may seem fair -- and even more "fair" the license can be revoked if the owner acts "irresponsibly." The Second Amendment remains but..

I say that just as the "Fairness Doctrine" was used by liberal/progressives to restrict the First Amendment without having to repeal it --

-- the liberals today are attempting to restrict the Second Amendment by flooding the nation of uninformed voters with screams of "assault weapons" hiding under beds and everywhere just waiting to shoot them.

10 posted on 01/08/2013 6:32:13 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: muir_redwoods

That reminds me of the time I was taking a polygraph test and the tester asked me if I had ever done anything I didn’t want anyone to know about...after I responded with a yes, he got really upset when I wouldn’t tell him what it was.


11 posted on 01/08/2013 6:41:44 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: stuartcr

Any adult who hasn’t done something he doesn’t want the world to know about hasn’t really lived. For some reason I’m thinking about an old girlfriend who I still think of fondly. Wow, I’m glad there is no video.


12 posted on 01/08/2013 6:48:40 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: BuffaloJack
Why do we use the leftist coined term “Assault Weapons”?

Agree. IMHO, these weapons should be referred to as So-called "assault" weapons.

Since some secret government agency will be reading this post (they read everything on FR, didn't you know?), I'll go ahead and get it over with. I admit that I own hundreds of assault weapons:

knives, hammers, hacksaw,
chainsaw, wood saw, chisels,
my truck, screwdrivers, table saw,
meat cleaver, bullwhip, nail gun,
lawnmower, circular saw, golf clubs
and a propane torch.

When you come to my house to confiscate my assault weapons, please bring a large truck. And I'll want a receipt.

13 posted on 01/08/2013 6:50:09 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I know what you mean. This guy was really upset.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 6:56:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: lurk

Good point. Just how are they going to enforce their laws in Chicago, New Orleans, East St. Louis and along the Mexican border?
Insanity this is. They want to disarm American citizens who have committed no crimes, but yet do nothing to stop the cartel armies in our country who do actually carry and use real assault rifles.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 6:57:24 AM PST by Texas resident (The idiots run the show now)
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To: upchuck

Correct!

Is it an assault rifle?

Gee I don’t know is a French knife a tool or a weapon? It’s a tool if I’m cutting carrots but a weapon if a thug is threatening the kitchen crew during a robbery.

Seems even a rifle used to hunt deer would have a hard time being a weapon. Is the deer counter attacking? If so then yes, but taking the deer for food the rifle is like using an effective tool.

Even in the hands of a trained soldier a dreaded black rifle may be used as much to defend a position and himself than assault anything.

Chances are good that the vast majority of scary black guns in the hands of Americans will rarely be used only for defense, but most often for entertainment. Serious duty knocking down cans, punching holes in paper and even quickly emptying water filled milk containers.

I think we should call them defense rifles, or maybe just accessories used in shooting sports. Sort of like ski poles or scuba tanks

We need to take control of the language.

Remember killing unborn children is described by the media as Pro-Choice


16 posted on 01/08/2013 7:11:31 AM PST by Deepest South
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To: muir_redwoods
Good suggestions. I hope it doesn't come to that. But here are some scenarios that might happen:

1. A neighbor knows you own guns. He collects a $100 fee for turning you in. Obama's enforcers come to your house. They can't find the guns. They arrest you on suspicion of owning and concealing guns. They tear your house apart, they tear your land apart. Your home is destroyed. You've hidden your guns well off your property where they'll never be found but you are now in jail under arrest. Now you need to hire a lawyer. You've lost your job. Your family is homeless. Now you lose them. Your kids are taken away by the welfare workers.

You see, they know how this works. They know you're defenseless against legal entanglements. Now they may show up at someone's house and kills them on the doorstep. That will certainly send a message,...but he'll be hunted down and arrested or killed. They know you have a career, a family, savings, a home,...and they can get it all anytime they want.

So a few ATF guys are killed in raids. You think Obama cares????? They are just bumps in the road.

This is going to be very interesting to watch. Either they have under-estimated the reaction of gun owners and it will backfire on them with deadly consequences,...or they have a smart game plan to destroy gun owners in this country and they are willing to risk a few dead ATF agents to accomplish it.

17 posted on 01/08/2013 7:18:36 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: marktwain

Everybody who plans to register their AR raise your hand. Thats what I thought. :)


18 posted on 01/08/2013 7:27:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Doc Savage

Not to nitpick but my nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away and ptobaly has more guns that I do. If it came to it a person could turn in the Mini-14 and keep the AR, AK, M1 whatever, sort of a throw down gun for the Feds. It might be that leaving them a few to find protects the rest. This needs further tactical review but there’s a solution in there somewhere.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 7:32:29 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Deepest South

Did you ever notice how few butchers get assaulted while they’re working?


20 posted on 01/08/2013 7:36:00 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Furthermore...if I were ever part of a jury hearing charges against a citizen for failure to register I would vote not guilty. Jury nullification is a potent weapon against unconstitutional government actions.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 7:47:31 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: stuartcr
... the tester asked me if I had ever done anything I didn’t want anyone to know about ...

I don't approve of questions like that for a lie detector. Every body has at least one thing, and it'll spike the values just remembering it. It's a question designed to make you fail, no matter what. For that matter, I don't approve of "lie detectors."

22 posted on 01/08/2013 7:48:26 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Doc Savage

Maybe your scenario occurs, but what happens when you and a hundred million gun owners are released? In your scenario we will have a hundred million people with nothing to lose.

I think both sides are waiting for a spark. Once this powder keg let’s loose all bets are off.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 7:53:03 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Doc Savage
"A neighbor knows you own guns."

We don't talk about what guns we may or may not own.

24 posted on 01/08/2013 7:53:17 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I don’t either and I make sure and tell them every time and that all it is, is a body response meter. They ask subjective questions and want objective answers.

Now, before I have to take one, I drink 4 or 5 espressos, have a cigar, and get myself all worked up inside, like the opposite of zen. They don’t even know if I’m answering the control questions truthfully, just a lot of jumping lines.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 7:55:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: muir_redwoods

or lumberjacks and baseball players...


26 posted on 01/08/2013 7:57:23 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Perseverando

27 posted on 01/08/2013 7:57:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: muir_redwoods
If it came to it a person could turn in the Mini-14 and keep the AR, AK, M1 whatever, sort of a throw down gun for the Feds. It might be that leaving them a few to find protects the rest.

Yes, a "sacrificial offering" would probably keep the jackbooted thugs from gutting your house - at lease initially. At the very least, any hardware built in the days before serial numbers and/or purchased off-paper should be stored away from the stuff they might come looking for.

As for the Mini-14, did you know that a version was sold in the U.K. after their gun ban? It lacked a complete gas system; there was no gas port drilled. It became a straight-pull bolt action. Wasn't there a pump version of the AR on the market in California?

28 posted on 01/08/2013 8:27:42 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: stuartcr
Now, before I have to take one, I drink 4 or 5 espressos, have a cigar, and get myself all worked up inside, like the opposite of zen. They don’t even know if I’m answering the control questions truthfully, just a lot of jumping lines.

That is a good plan. I may not be able to control what happens during the questions, but I can sure as heck screw up the control questions.

29 posted on 01/08/2013 8:35:20 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Only problem is that it takes a lot out of you and you probably will have to take more tests because the results will be considered inconclusive. I really hate them and the people that administer them.


30 posted on 01/08/2013 8:50:20 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: stuartcr

I’ve been fortunate that I never had an employer require one. But take cheer about something: Somebody has to pay for those repeated tests...the fools that require them, usually.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 9:04:04 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Unfortunately it’s some govt security weenie.


32 posted on 01/08/2013 9:07:58 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: apillar

Good one, very easy to transpose those serial numbers. Sorry Mr Officer, I thought that was an 8.


33 posted on 01/08/2013 9:36:44 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Doc Savage

We will have to get the word out fast when the first confiscation happens. They may shut down all communications before they begin.

A piecemeal plan will not work, there will have to be a coordinated effort that will take thousands of LE. I don’t think they can keep their plans secret then.

the first set of raids will be a surprise but then Game On.


34 posted on 01/08/2013 9:48:51 AM PST by USAF80
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To: muir_redwoods

Steel silhouettes planted as false positives for ground penetrating radar would keep someone busy digging also. A pipe trencher would set them sufficiently deep; and, running a disk would soften surrounding soil, confusing the issue of soil density test. Put enough out and make it prohibitively expensive to run them down!


35 posted on 01/08/2013 10:37:01 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: marktwain

these are politicians, they would most likely compromise anything to have their pork project funded. Even the second.

Or they do one of the “I will vote yes as long as I can save face by voting no...” sleazy deals.


36 posted on 01/08/2013 12:28:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ozark Tom

That is a great idea. Does any one currently sell them??? Now there is a chance to make millions!


37 posted on 01/08/2013 12:36:36 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: marktwain
Feinstein's . . . bill would merely mean a requirement for registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE).

Ask her to explain how guns could be confiscated WITHOUT registration. You gotta know who has them and where they are.

38 posted on 01/08/2013 1:04:35 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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