Skip to comments.How Romney Could Have Won. A changed system = changed results.
Posted on 01/08/2013 7:16:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
If votes in every state were awarded by congressional district, President-elect Romney would be planning his inauguration right now.
According to the Cook Political Report, Mitt Romney won roughly about 52 percent of the congressional districts.
Currently, all states except for Maine and Nebraska award electoral votes on a winner-takes-all basis. Long-term, that looks like a worrisome trend for the GOP. Several formerly red strongholds, including Georgia and Arizona, are becoming more Democratic. Still, demographics are not destiny and if Republicans succeed in winning over more Hispanics than they have in recent years, for instance, these states could well remain red.
If states stop awarding votes on a winner-take-all basis, Republicans could also win and without necessarily getting more votes. Determining Electoral College voting by congressional districts represents one obvious opportunity for Republicans: In that scenario, the effect of urban Democratic strongholds (such as those Philadelphia precincts where Obama was supported by 99 percent of voters) would be isolated. Instead of shifting the entire states electoral votes, those precincts would only influence their congressional districts.
Fair Vote, an organization that advocates switching the presidential-election process to a national popular vote, analyzed six possible new scenarios in six swing states that went blue this year despite having Republican state legislatures and governors. (They were Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Florida.) In two of the scenarios proportional and a slight variation on proportional Obama still would have won, despite the proportional awarding of votes in those six states.
But if votes had been awarded by congressional districts, Romney would have won in two of three scenarios. In the first situation, in which most of the electoral votes were awarded based on congressional-district outcomes but two of them were given to the candidate who had won the most votes overall in the state, Obama narrowly edged out Romney, with 270 votes to Romneys 268. But in the other two scenarios in which two electoral votes were awarded proportionally, or to whichever candidate had won the most congressional districts (not votes) Romney would have won. In the first case, the final national electoral count would have been 274 for Romney and 264 for Obama; in the second, 280 for Romney and 258 for Obama.
In other words, if 44 states and D.C. kept their policies exactly the same, Republican state legislators in these particular six states could still succeed in paving a much easier path for a GOP presidential candidate by changing the way electoral votes are awarded.
Whether there is genuine and sustainable interest in doing that is another matter. According to Michigan-based Gownger News Service, state representative Peter Lund, a Republican, will re-introduce this year in the state legislature his bill to award electoral votes by congressional district. In Pennsylvania in December, state senate majority leader Dominic Pileggi said he wants to start distributing the electoral votes proportionally. Senior Republicans say they will try to leverage their partys majorities in Democratic-leaning states in an effort to end the winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes, National Journals Reid Wilson reported last month. Instead, bills that will be introduced in several Democratic states would award electoral votes on a proportional basis.
Another way Republicans could overcome their disadvantage, as the number of red states shrinks, would be to embrace the national popular vote. Having a national popular vote would lead to entirely different campaigns think far fewer stops in Ohio, and far more in partisan strongholds like California and Texas which could potentially swing voters who are more inclined to thoughtlessly vote the party line when they perceive their vote as not counting. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan GOP chair and a consultant to the National Popular Vote organization, argues that switching the system to a popular vote would also make it significantly harder to commit fraud that would swing presidential elections. Instead of having to affect tens of thousands of votes in a swing state, he observes, the candidate would now have to fraudulently obtain millions of votes across the country.
Whether its politically prudent for Republicans to push any of these measures is unclear, much less whether its a good idea on principle. But for those frustrated over 2012s results, it might be worth thinking about whether its time to overhaul the system itself.
Katrina Trinko is an NRO reporter.
Article makes total sense.
Then again the GOP does not have the cojones to stand their ground in the fiscal cliff debate. Highly doubtful they have the stomach for a PR slugfest in 30+ states.
Translation: Stolen election.
Romney did win . . . the election was stolen . . . just like Nixon/Kennedy back in the 1960s . . . and, like then, the Stupid Party just pouted and let it go.
Works until some additional governors from the D side are elected and house districts get gerrymandered more to the D side than to the R side as they are now.
You got it.
Sadly, with this country being so badly is divided, it will not end well.
Gee, I wonder why the Democrats don’t want voters to present photo ID?
I’ve written to my reps about doing this. Its within the constitutional boundaries and it makes sense.
That way of Detroit wants to cheat they can and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference in the est of the state.
Damn right. I know it isn't popular to say around here, but the demographics ARE changing. We need to find a way to make our message more appealing to those changing demos. Not change our core, but change our messaging.
Small government, individual liberty, greater economic freedom CAN be "sold" if we target it correctly....and yes, sometimes that means GOING NEGATIVE on our competition.
The didn’t even pout they stuck their heads up their A$$e$ and folded like a cheap card table.
This election was stolen with a such an in your face arrogance.
Good grief, Obama beat Romney by almost 5 million votes. 2012 is NOTHING like 1960 when Kennedy won by only 112K votes. We did not lose because of vote fraud. Obama actually beat Mitt by 2 million more votes than Bush beat Kerry by. This 2012 election was simply not that close, Hussein won fairly decisively.
This does not even have to happen in 30 states, just start with California. The amount of $$ and time that Democratic candidates would have to spend here to keep their margin would totally change the contours of the race.
Someone tried to start an initiative drive here, and I wrote about it to the GOP national HQ, but they did not even answer my email. Without any funding, the drive went nowhere.
Truly stupid and dangerous column. We won’t keep winning by gerrymandering. The Republican legislatures have done a good job packing D votes into D districts. One outcome is an R house. But another outcome is a RINO house because the R’s want more districts than they can keep conservative. If the D’s take back a few states through illegal immigration and amnesty then the gerrymandering will switch the other way.
Nonsense! The evidence is overwhelming . . . 140% of registered voters voted, 108% of registered voters voted, 100% of all votes in numerous counties nationwide voted for Obambi, etc. Machines all over the country changing votes to Obambi when the vote was cast for Romney.
It was stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen, stolen.
And the Republican Party stood by and collapsed. If this had happened to the dummycrats, we'd still be counting chads.
debunked. The R voters didn't turn out for Romney. A lot of them don't even bother registering. In VIrginia the motivated R counties (war on coal counties) only managed 50% of adults. The black D areas got 60% of their adults to vote.
Romney would be going after guns right now, exactly liek he did in Massachussetts..
Was there fraud ?...Yes. Would it matter right now ?...No.
Romney lost because his liberal base was not as large as Obama’s liberal base. If the GOP nominates another liberal in 2016 and again tries to outliberal te left, the GOP will lose again.
Completely wrong. 70% with two page ballot.
100% of all votes in numerous counties nationwide voted for Obambi
Wrong again. Those were black precincts with 100% Obama votes. There were 59 (about 10% of black precincts or divisions) in Philly that made 100% although more than that tried to. It is true that Romney should have gotten 5 or 10 votes in each of those but did not. But it would have made no difference.
If you are on welfare (IE: A Ward of the state or country), your right to vote is rescinded until such time as you are a producer, not a taker.
In this way, those who are on the government dole do not have a say in maintaining and increasing their own largess, and politicians will stop playing to them as they would no longer be a voter-block that they can buy with OPM (ours, the producers).
Romney could NOT have won. He was, after all, Romney. In fact, what is being said here is that someone else could have won. With that I agree. However, NOT Romney. I said that back in the early Primaries that Romney would lose in a landslide and take the Senate & House down with him. While I was a bit off on the House, anyone with a lick of sense could see that Romney was going to get slaughtered.
Some good points here but it could turn around and bite you just as well.
I am sure it has been mentioned here before but I got to thinking this AM how many ‘fence straddlers’ didn’t vote because ‘WE’ were duped into thinking Romney had a huge lead and BO was faltering?
When you think about it, the Dems didn’t panic as BO’s #’s were supposedly going down and with the ‘conspiratorial’ theory - MAYBE they knew something and figured no sense showing concern??
It (supposedly) happened in FL when the state was called and people just didn’t leave the house to vote for Bush - in the part of the state he was strongest overall.
Works until some additional governors from the D side are elected and house districts get gerrymandered more to the D side than to the R side as they are now.
Those who think the problem is only a process problem are deluding themselves.
Democrats have eliminated the problem of Republicans attracting more Hispanics by opening the border and assuring more Hispanics will come. Republicans are beaten by simple math and the grind of being on the low side of a percentage. The Republican Party needs to concentrate its efforts on winning state and local elections to buttress itself against the single party control of the Democrats nationally.
Yet another story about “How To Fix The Republican Party’s Issues” that doesn’t use a key word.
It is the message:
Free stuff (until it runs out)
Stuff you have to work for (but there is plenty)
Which line will be longer?
With everyone fleeing California at some point Congressional seats will be lost as will its electoral affected.
I know! I Know!
Actually be a conservative.
Amen laweeks. You could say it a few more times apparently as well, since nobody seems to notice.
Really, the only things that could help going forward need to address two issues.
The first is to cut down voter fraud.
The second is to reduce media bias.
The only other thing is to hope that things get really bad, I think that is a given however.
Everything else is just bluster.
Unfortunately, not everyone is fleeing. We have a huge population of illegals, and so we’ll probably see a somewhat stable population. Also, stories today are talking about how California is getting older.
It will be interesting to see what happens, but electoral votes by Congressional District is a good idea.
The population is so low in those counties they don't matter all that much.
Romney losing women in the DC suburbs was of far greater importance.
There were precincts in Utah with 100% Romney votes, as well.
The problem was the GOP nominating a Socialist-statist fraud like Willard in the first place.
If chess was a contact sport, I'd win more often.
Was Mitt more of a socialist-statist than the one we have now?
How about the conservatives who were NOT elected this time around?
Count them — Allen West, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin ... and oh yeah, let’s not forget conservative, Paul Ryan LOSING his own home state as well as losing his own home town, Janesville.
Ifs were fifths we’d all be drunk.
Take the exact same scenario (don’t forget, BO won the popular vote) and add the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact(132 EVs)( forget for now, whether it’s constitutional or not)...who wins ?
The fact that Willard is a Socialist and a statist is what made him 100% unacceptable.
As for “Conservatives” who did not win, let’s review:
Allen West - victim of voter fraud and so-called “fair district” initiative to bolster Democrat seats in FL.
Todd Akin - leading handily in the polls until he violated the Clayton Williams rule of discussing the issue of rape.
Richard Mourdock - Pulled a Todd Akin.
So let’s see, 1 candidate who had a race stolen from him and 2 candidates whose own mouths destroyed their candidacies.
As for Paul Ryan, he wasn’t the Presidential nominee. Had he been, he probably would’ve carried Wisconsin. People still vote for the Presidential candidate more than the VP. As for not carrying Janesville/Rock County, I might remind you that no GOP Presidential candidate has carried that county since 1984.
The 140% BS started because some precincts used a ballot so long that it took two pages. The software reported that as two separate ballots, but it was two ballots per voter, producing a turnout of 70%, not 140%. BO was shown as getting 100% of the vote in some precincts but no, much less "numerous", counties.
In case you want to temper your paranoid ravings with any facts.
I have long noticed that idea - most electoral votes awarded by election district, and the two extra votes awarded by the candidate who won a majority of the state’s districts - is not only sensible but is not contrary to the intent of the electoral college system itself
in fact, the idea represents the best idea of the electoral college idea - the president is the candidate that wins MOST OF THE COUNTRY, not necessarily most of the popular vote - and winning more election districts reflects more of the country than does any popular vote, and reflects more of the country than does rewarding all a state’s electoral college votes based on popular vote rather than district by district
Republican presidential candidates, regardless of the popular vote, and regardless of the final electoral college vote outcomes in the current system, AND reflecting GOP advancement in state legislatures and state governorships, have been winning more election districts (more of the country) while Liberal President district wins have increasingly been concentrated in the largest cities and the academic-centered cities (as if we had to wonder why).
The ones who ultimately have to pay should be the ones who ultimately have the say...
Planned Parenthood carpeted the DC music stations (particularly country) with anti-Romney ads (your tax money at work). Every 10 minutes we would hear a woman telling women that Romney can't be trusted on the economy and of course he will take away the right to control your own body.
Of course it was voter fraud.
Surely no one believes America voted to reelect the Marxist/Muslim usurper- the worst president in American history?
Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?
Next time? What makes them think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime
Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012
What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the criminal Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.
>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.
>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.
>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.
That and no other reason
Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...
We cannot wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people dont trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on We the People.
Silence is consent
The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
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Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here
Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here
THE JEWISH TASK FORCE makes a excellent case that Mitt defeated Obama in 2012, if not for fraud. Here
CANADA FREE PRESS: Here
Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud on 'Hannity' after the election Nov 12- Here
Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spineless Republicans who remain silent!
Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'
'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '
Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':
'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.
If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!
The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.
If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.
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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here
Sign the We The People petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here
Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here
VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here
Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here
The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here
Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here
American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here
WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here
Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here
Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here
Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here
WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here
The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here
WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here
Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here
Newt Gingrich 360: Here
Appalachian Forums: Here
Before It's News: Here
Political Outcast: Here
True The Vote: Here
Fox News Insider: Here
Human Events; Here
The Will County News: Here
Fox News: Here
Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here
Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here
Human Events: Here
Front Page Magazine: Here
The Blaze Here
The Daily Caller: Here
Front Page Magazine Here
Military Voter Protection Project: Here
Fox News Here
The Blaze Here
The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here
The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here
Not surprised at all.
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