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America's Coming Gun War
Townhall.com ^ | January 8, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 01/08/2013 7:59:42 AM PST by Kaslin

Eight days after the massacre of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary, where each child was shot with a Bushmaster .223, The Nation's Gun Show, the biggest east of the Mississippi, opened.

"A line already snaked around the building shortly after the three-day event began at 3 p.m., and the parking lot was jammed" at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly, Va., wrote Justin Jouvenal of The Washington Post:

"With an AK-47 slung over one shoulder, Marco Hernandez offered one word when asked why he was in the overflow crowd at the gun show."

"Obama," he said. "I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the possible gun ban."

And this is the story across America since Sandy Hook.

The weapon most in demand at Chantilly?

The AR-15 black rifle, a version of which was used to slaughter the innocents in Newtown. At Chantilly, their price doubled in hours to $1,800. Gun stores have sold out their inventory.

Yet for weeks after Sandy Hook, journalists and politicians from the president to Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who were making the case for a new assault weapons ban, dominated the airwaves. Those calling for reinstatement of the ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 had the national audience almost entirely to themselves.

The National Rifle Association was largely silent. Not until nine days after Newtown did the NRA's Wayne LaPierre appear on "Meet the Press" to be subjected to hostile interrogation.

Yet, from the record gun sales in December, and 2012 -- there were 16.8 million calls to the FBI for background checks for gun purchases last year -- the elites have lost the argument with the audience that counts. They have failed to convince those who buy guns.

Just as East Berliners, before the Wall was built, voted with their feet, fleeing west, Americans are voting with their checkbooks, paying hundreds and thousands of dollars to buy the guns liberals loathe.

The reflexive response of the gun controllers is to blame this on that malevolent force, the gun lobby, at whose apex is the NRA.

But those crowds coming to gun shows in droves and buying semi-automatics are not there because the NRA issued some order.

Today, we Americans are a far more heavily armed people than half a century ago. Forty-seven percent of adult males own a firearm. There are 270 million rifles, shotguns and pistols in private hands.

Are they for hunting? Not according to the Financial Times.

"The number of hunters fell from 16.6 million in 1975 to 12.5 million in 2006, according to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service." That number will continue to shrink as America's suburbs further encroach on rural areas, limiting hunting grounds and reducing game.

The FT notes that Freedom Group, owner of Bushmaster, has estimated that while "total sales of long guns to U.S. consumers rose at an annual rate of just 3 percent during 2007-2011, modern sporting rifles grew at an annual rate of 27 percent." Last year, sporting rifle sales doubled.

The number of rifles like the AR-15 in private hands has probably tripled since the assault weapons ban expired. The NRA's David Keene estimates the number now at above 3 million.

Who owns these weapons?

Half are owned by veterans and cops. Writes Keene: "Nearly 90 percent of those who own an AR-15 use it for recreational target shooting; 51 percent of AR owners are members of shooting clubs and visit the range regularly; the typical AR owner is not a crazed teenage psychopath, but a 35-plus-year-old, married and has some college education."

These figures suggest that a successful effort to restrict the sale and transfer of "assault rifles" will, as did the Volstead Act and Prohibition, drive the market underground, create lawbreakers out of folks who are law-abiding and send the AR-15 price further skyward.

Many gun controllers not only do not understand what motivates those who disagree with them, they do not like them, reflexively calling them gun nuts, a reaction as foolish as it is arrogant and bigoted.

For given the loosening of gun laws at the state level in recent years, the gun controllers no longer have the numbers to impose their will on the folks who have a love for, or feel a need for, guns.

To most Americans, an armed guard in a school is a good idea in our too-violent nation. Most Americans realize that when shooting breaks out in a gun-free zone -- a school, movie theater, mall -- the first call goes to 911 to get cops with Glocks and a SWAT team with black rifles there as soon as possible.

Most folks understand why air marshals on planes might have to be armed. Most folks know that the people running up the death toll in murder capitals like Chicago are not using AR-15s. And many Americans yet accept that in the last analysis it is a man's duty to be the defender and protector of his wife and children.

Human nature will ultimately triumph over ideology.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: ar15; awb; banglist; guncontrol; guns; nocompromise; obama; secondamendment; tyranny

1 posted on 01/08/2013 7:59:49 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

2 posted on 01/08/2013 8:02:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin
Yet, from the record gun sales in December, and 2012 -- there were 16.8 million calls to the FBI for background checks for gun purchases last year -- the elites have lost the argument with the audience that counts. They have failed to convince those who buy guns

Actually, there are probably a lot more that 16.8 gun sales during the year. Off hand, I'd say I bought at least 8 weapons during the year , and two just recently and didn't need a NICS check for any of them here in Georgia with my CCW license.

3 posted on 01/08/2013 8:04:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

The concept that a National Agency to oversee ALL firearm transactions, and approve or deny each transaction is just short sighted and wrong.

I was a teen when my Uncle GAVE me my first firearm [ a 410 shotgun ]. In my 20’s, and upon my return from VietNam I recieved a 22 rifle as a welcome home gift.

When one of my best friends move to the country, I gave him a 22 hornet varmint rifle.

When a neighbor was transferred oversees , by the USAF, I purchased his pellet gun, his spray paints & his solvents

When I pass, I intend to WILL my firearms to specific individuals.

I don’t see any need or Reason for a Federal Bureaucracy to be involved with stuff like that.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 8:06:39 AM PST by PizzaDriver ( on)
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To: PizzaDriver

Don’t will them; if you do, there’ll be a public record of who got what - and thus, an easily traceable path to the new owners.


5 posted on 01/08/2013 8:11:49 AM PST by Basil Duke
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To: Kaslin; All

How many are first time buyers?

THAT is the key.

It is not enough for the same people to buy more, we need more new citizen owners exercising their right.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 8:15:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

The reality is there are two ways to deal with a human being, reason or force. The liberal mind cannot function within the rules of reality.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 8:15:57 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Kaslin

This is not about hunting, never was, never will be.

It is about personal protection from ALL enemies.

Anytime a polician says, ‘we respect the rights of hunters’, either doesn’t understand the issue or is lying.


8 posted on 01/08/2013 8:17:17 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: longtermmemmory

I know two people who recently purchased hand guns. One of which was recently converted gun control advocate. Both also were certified CCW.


9 posted on 01/08/2013 8:18:40 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Kaslin

The AR-15 black rifle, a version of which was used to slaughter the innocents in Newtown....

Would someone clarify this for me? Based on what I read, I thought the AR-15 was locked in the trunk of the perps car and he used semiauto pistols to kill everyone.


10 posted on 01/08/2013 8:21:02 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: PJammers

“How many are first time buyers?

THAT is the key....”

Bingo! One of the reasons ammo prices stayed high (pre-Newtown) was the number of new folks coming to shooting.

On recent trips to public ranges, the number of young and women shooter (apparently new as they were being lovingly instructed by husbands, fathers, brothers, boyfriends, etc.) has grown markedly over the last several years.

Bodes well for weight of arms.

KYPD


11 posted on 01/08/2013 8:22:30 AM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: Hang'emAll
Would someone clarify this for me? Based on what I read, I thought the AR-15 was locked in the trunk of the perps car and he used semiauto pistols to kill everyone.

Yeah, I got thrown off by some of the early reports also. Apparently he had a shotgun in his trunk. He used the 'AR-15' for his murders, and then he used a pistol to commit suicide. At least that is the last version I heard.

12 posted on 01/08/2013 8:28:44 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: PizzaDriver
The concept that a National Agency to oversee ALL firearm transactions, and approve or deny each transaction is just short sighted and wrong.

And unenforceable...

Case in point,


Today: My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell "X", he says he will give me $500 for "X", he hands me the cash, I give him the gun case closed.

How "universal registration" is suppose to work : My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell "X", he says he will give me $500 for "X". We drive to the local firearm dealer and both fill out a lot of forms, have a background check run on Joe (paying whatever that costs, I'm guessing the firearms dealers aren't going to do all this for free). Then we wait weeks or months for the transfer to be granted...

What will really happen under "universal registration" - My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell "X", he says he will give me $500 for "X". But he wants the gun now and I want the money now and neither of us wants to fool with all the paperwork. So he pays in cash and I backdate a receipt before "universal registration" just in case we ever get any heat for it.

13 posted on 01/08/2013 8:29:10 AM PST by apillar
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To: El Cid

Thanks for the clarification.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 8:32:54 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: apillar

That’s assuming you are in compliance with unconstitutional gun laws to begin with. Most won’t comply on currently owned weapons.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 8:35:13 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: All

Test...


16 posted on 01/08/2013 8:36:07 AM PST by TNanchor
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To: Kaslin
"...and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - DOI, 1776

The founding fathers told us many years ago what to do in times such as now.

17 posted on 01/08/2013 8:37:37 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: petro45acp

I’m buying a 20 gauge for my wife at the end of this month and taking her out to shoot.

I know she’ll love it, because it’ll be her first.


18 posted on 01/08/2013 8:38:47 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Kaslin
"Many gun controllers not only do not understand what motivates those who disagree with them, they do not like them, reflexively calling them gun nuts, a reaction as foolish as it is arrogant and bigoted."

LOL....you go, Pat! Don't hold back....tell'em what you really think!

19 posted on 01/08/2013 8:39:37 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: petro45acp

add to this homes where wives who USED to be “uncomfortable” with their husband’s hobby suddenly stated learning to shoot (and safely) it finally dawned on them SHE has to know how to protect her children from some drug crazed/obamazombie/nutjob.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 8:39:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: apillar

How about this scenario, you want an extra Magazine or Clip for practice time, you turn on your 3d printer and print an extra two (or the parts which just snap together) with no paperwork at all.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 8:45:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin
The number of rifles like the AR-15 in private hands has probably tripled since the assault weapons ban expired. The NRA's David Keene estimates the number now at above 3 million.

Heh, "above" 3 Million is a very rough estimate. Even the lefties over at www.liberalgunclub.com like to do group purchases of stripped lower receivers, which don't get counted as completed rifles. The number of completed ARs sold is the tip of the iceberg.

22 posted on 01/08/2013 8:47:40 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

ok forgive this basic question, but what is the deal with “assembling” a do it yourself ar?

and what exactly is a stripped receiver?


23 posted on 01/08/2013 8:58:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

Went to the Ranch/hardware store yesterday. The man at the guns & ammo counter said that the manufacturers of the popular calibers of ammo have wholesale orders scheduled for 5 years into the future.

If you’re into the market, this might be a place to put some investment money.


24 posted on 01/08/2013 9:07:10 AM PST by lurk
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To: PJammers

“That’s assuming you are in compliance with unconstitutional gun laws to begin with. Most won’t comply on currently owned weapons.”

Gee, I’d like to, but I got rid of them all at my garage sale.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 9:08:16 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: PJammers

“That’s assuming you are in compliance with unconstitutional gun laws to begin with. Most won’t comply on currently owned weapons.”

Gee, I’d like to, but I got rid of them all at my garage sale.


26 posted on 01/08/2013 9:09:41 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: apillar
“How “universal registration” is suppose to work : My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell “X”, he says he will give me $500 for “X”. We drive to the local firearm dealer and both fill out a lot of forms, have a background check run on Joe (paying whatever that costs, I'm guessing the firearms dealers aren't going to do all this for free). Then we wait weeks or months for the transfer to be granted...”

Bronco Bamma will find out real quick that any Federal law that requires that will cost the government $$$ Billions every year.

The Fed is restricted by ‘Takings’ law that requires them to pay for whatever they take from someone at fair market value. If they want to require a dealer do the transfer, they will have to pay for it.

27 posted on 01/08/2013 9:19:13 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Gaffer
"...and didn't need a NICS check for any of them here in Georgia with my CCW license."

Still gotta fill out the Form 4470, though, don't you??

28 posted on 01/08/2013 9:20:56 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Yes, you have to fill out the Form 4473. However, this form is KEPT buy the gunstore, to be stored up to 10 years in a fireproof container. ATF, at least now, cannot on a wholesale basis ask for them unless there is a crime that has been committed with a weapon that has been traced from the manufacturer back to that store. They then only have the right to get the Forms 4473 for the purchaser of that firearm.

The ATF has been known to have their agents go to a gunstore and ask for copies of them, but the smart gunstore owners tell them to go get effed, unless they have a warrant for a specific firearm.


29 posted on 01/08/2013 9:37:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: longtermmemmory

it is usually a cast forging for an AR. It is the bare serialized main component of the lower receiver (the part that is tracked). You have to install all the myriad parts on it to mate with an upper which isn’t tracked.


30 posted on 01/08/2013 9:39:41 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: longtermmemmory
The lower receiver is the serial-numbered part... the "firearm", according to BATFE. In this design, though, it only serves to hold the trigger, hammer, safety, magazine and recoil buffer in the correct places, when latched together with the upper receiver and barrel. You can buy the lower as a "stripped" but completed part - you'd have to buy the small parts (trigger, hammer, springs, pins, etc.) and assemble it. This requires a bit of attention and a set of pin punches, but it's quite easy.

The tough part of assembling any rifle is attaching the barrel and setting the chamber headspace. This is already done for you on the "completed upper assemblies"; you just have to mate the upper and lower halves. So the portion of the AR-15 that contains the explosive force of the cartridge is technically just a part or collection of parts; it does not have to be shipped to a FFL holder. Lower receivers (built or stripped) and completed rifles do have to be shipped to FFLs.

YouTube probably has lots of AR build videos. Here's another site that illustrates what I'm describing:

www.ar15builder.com

31 posted on 01/08/2013 9:40:46 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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Of course, if you buy the forging before it’s serialized, all the better.


32 posted on 01/08/2013 9:42:02 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: dsc
Gee, I’d like to, but I got rid of them all at my garage sale.

I sent all mine to Mexico. Seemed like the patriotic thing to do.

33 posted on 01/08/2013 10:11:01 AM PST by Starstruck (Obama is now proposing a bottomless pit off the fiscal cliff. Enjoy the ride.)
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To: El Cid; Hang'emAll
He used the 'AR-15' for his murders, and then he used a pistol to commit suicide.

I'll believe it when I see photos of the empty .223 cartridges on the crime scene, and .223 bullets from the autopsies.

We're talking about "reports" from the same media that gave us "Ryan Lanza" and George Zimmerman brutally beating Trayvon Martin's fists with his face.

The media will lie for the Obama administration all day long.

As far as I'm concerned, he used the pistols.

34 posted on 01/08/2013 10:21:30 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: El Cid; Hang'emAll

I still want to know...who is the second person arrested behind the school in black and camo? No further info has been released on this person. I find that odd.


35 posted on 01/08/2013 10:46:27 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: apillar
Today: My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell "X", he says he will give me $500 for "X", he hands me the cash, I give him the gun case closed.

In Massachusetts, that item X would have been registered in your name. If your friend is caught with it...as an unregistered firearm...he gets a year in jail. Mandatory.

You could sell him X for whatever reason you like but the actual transfer and paperwork required by MA would need to be done by an FFL. No one would risk conviction by having an unregistered firearm in this state. I can't wait to leave. Unless this type of thing becomes the norm all over the country.

36 posted on 01/08/2013 10:50:47 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Starstruck
I sent all mine to Mexico. Seemed like the patriotic thing to do.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! - Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! I am so stealing this.

37 posted on 01/08/2013 10:51:54 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: apillar
Correction:

Transfer and paperwork required by MA would NOT need to be done by an FFL. There is a form FA-10 that is required for such a sale that effectively transfers the registration and is recorded by the Firearms Records Bureau .

38 posted on 01/08/2013 11:11:11 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"No one would risk conviction by having an unregistered firearm in this state."

I assume you mean no otherwise law abiding gun owners would risk having an unregistered firearm in this state, because I'm guessing there are a whole lot of drug dealers, gang bangers and other criminals with them...

39 posted on 01/08/2013 11:36:15 AM PST by apillar
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To: Starstruck

A tragic canoeing accident has mine at the bottom of a lake. :-(


40 posted on 01/08/2013 11:58:55 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The shooter in CT was a Satanist. Curtail Satanists' First Amendment Rights for the Children!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“who is the second person arrested behind the school in black and camo?”

One of those “men who stare at goats?”


41 posted on 01/08/2013 12:26:10 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: struggle

20 gauge is a great call! Consider a Ruger 10/22 also.

Insert comment about fun with clothes on...

Cheers


42 posted on 01/08/2013 12:49:27 PM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: longtermmemmory

“...the female of the species is deadlier than the male.”

Kipling

ARM THE WOMENFOLK!


43 posted on 01/08/2013 12:50:55 PM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: Charles Martel
Charles Martel said: "... group purchases of stripped lower receivers, which don't get counted as completed rifles. "

If you buy a stripped receiver in Kalifornia it most certainly is a "rifle". It is the part which has the serial number and that serial number is traceable through the FFL system.

44 posted on 01/08/2013 2:12:56 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
You misunderstand my use of the word "counted". Yes, the serial numbered part is the BATF-trackable "firearm". The question is, are those receivers listed/tallyed/counted as rifles? No, they're not. For some time now, Form 4473 has had a separate category for stripped receivers because they can be built into either rifles or pistols. The same applies to certain H&K style receivers.

To get closer to an accurate number of ARs, you'd have to find out how many completed rifles AND how many stripped receivers were sold.

45 posted on 01/08/2013 2:37:06 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: apillar
What will really happen under "universal registration" - My buddy Joe comes over, we start talking guns, I mention that I've been wanting to thin out my collection and plan to sell "X", he says he will give me $500 for "X". But he wants the gun now and I want the money now and neither of us wants to fool with all the paperwork. So he pays in cash and I backdate a receipt before "universal registration" just in case we ever get any heat for it.

In other words, the same process as during the previous ban.

46 posted on 01/08/2013 4:46:20 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Kaslin
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Many gun controllers not only do not understand what motivates those who disagree with them, they do not like them, reflexively calling them gun nuts, a reaction as foolish as it is arrogant and bigoted.

I think Pat makes a mistake in trying to characterize or understand these people and their statements in this way.

They are working from a script on a called play. Barky called the play the same day as Newtown, making it hard to believe anything except that he was waiting for the chance to drop the handkerchief.

The called play has nothing to do with reason or even politics, but will be a pure-dimensional Stalinist campaign of demonization, as described by Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago, followed by what the other side hopes will be a crippling blow, followed by mopping-up and defeat in detail of the Liberty interest in this country. Show trials and pogroms later.

47 posted on 01/08/2013 9:55:46 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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