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You can forgive NHL for lockout, but never forget what happened here (What We Learned)
Yahoo/PuckDaddy ^ | 7 Jan 2013 | Ryan Lambert

Posted on 01/08/2013 1:16:44 PM PST by shove_it

Hello, this is a feature that will run through the entire season and aims to recap the weekend’s events and boils those events down to one admittedly superficial fact or stupid opinion about each team. Feel free to complain about it. You know when a player who really loves his team and city gets traded, and he gives an emotional speech about how sometimes you forget hockey is a business, and that sometimes makes it unpleasant? Let this lockout be a lesson that the same goes for fans. During that 113-day ordeal, you were repeatedly condescended to, taken advantage of, and lied to, by both sides of the argument. But never forget that the contents of your wallet, like one of the podded-up humans in The Matrix, are nothing but fuel for a machine that cruelly exploits you....

(Excerpt) Read more at ca.sports.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hockey
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1 posted on 01/08/2013 1:16:48 PM PST by shove_it
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To: shove_it; airborne

Puck


2 posted on 01/08/2013 1:17:43 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: shove_it

Hockey? What’s that?


3 posted on 01/08/2013 1:30:15 PM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: shove_it

Hockey’s the best sport in North America.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 1:45:34 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: shove_it

The League is living on borrowed time as long as the Loonie is near par with the US$.

Recall only a few years ago, Canadian teams were not financially competitive with US team’s salaries etc.


5 posted on 01/08/2013 1:47:09 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire)
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6 posted on 01/08/2013 1:54:47 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: shove_it

RODNEY DANGERFIELD: “I went to the fights the other night and a hockey game broke out!”


7 posted on 01/08/2013 1:58:11 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: shove_it

Horse Hockey!
8 posted on 01/08/2013 2:07:08 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Diehards will always be diehards.

I suggested a 120 game season to run through next year, taking two months off in the summer.


9 posted on 01/08/2013 2:12:10 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Want freedom? Think WWRRD? Then do it.)
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To: shove_it

Lots of money lost by Concessionaires, people who work the ice, set up the stadium, sell tickets,even people who clean the stadium, people who don’t get big salaries and got hurt by the strike. How do they make up for their loss?


10 posted on 01/08/2013 2:43:10 PM PST by Venturer
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To: shove_it

In order to survive the NHL is going to have to admit that it is a regional niche sport. They need to to go to a 12 team league: EAST- Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa, WEST - Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. Divvy up the best players amongst 12 teams and you have a hell of a quality league.


11 posted on 01/08/2013 3:20:35 PM PST by wrcase
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To: wrcase
They need to to go to a 12 team league:

Need to include Pittsburgh and Denver in your roster.

12 posted on 01/08/2013 3:35:08 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: wrcase

San Jose also fills their venue. Why not let the owners decide?


13 posted on 01/08/2013 3:50:32 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: llevrok

Gary bettman is the largest threat to hockey. He is killing the sport. Having playoff games played during spring afternoons instead of the evenings when more people will watch is idiotic just like him.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 4:09:05 PM PST by jack1165
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To: llevrok

Gary bettman is the largest threat to hockey. He is killing the sport. Having playoff games played during spring afternoons instead of the evenings when more people will watch is idiotic just like him.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 4:09:05 PM PST by jack1165
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To: llevrok

Gary bettman is the largest threat to hockey. He is killing the sport. Having playoff games played during spring afternoons instead of the evenings when more people will watch is idiotic just like him.


16 posted on 01/08/2013 4:09:05 PM PST by jack1165
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To: jack1165

Rabid hockey fan here. Tons of autographed memorabilia.

This lockout gave me time to re-think my time spent watching games.

I had plenty of time to realize I can’t afford all those hours.


17 posted on 01/08/2013 4:48:02 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: RitchieAprile

How does San Jose do when the team isn’t doing well? The Sun Belt teams have difficulties when their teams struggle. I only mention those cities because they have a long standing passionate fan base. The NHL isn’t going to contract anyway so this is all conjecture.


18 posted on 01/08/2013 6:49:54 PM PST by wrcase
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To: BluH2o

That’s fine with me, in fact I thought about those clubs after posting. Wasn’t Pittsburgh in some financial difficulty at one time? Add Pittsburgh to the East and Denver in the West. I think the league could go to 16 teams, but in NHL’s current state there are just too many teams.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 6:54:59 PM PST by wrcase
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To: wrcase

SJ is usually in the playoffs, plus the fan base includes a lot of youth league and adult rec players. Hockey is huge in SJ.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 9:40:14 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: shove_it

Crosby spoke at length about his sympathy for what fans have gone through during the lockout, which lasted nearly four months. NHL fans missed the 2004-05 season, which was lost because of a lockout.

He hopes they will remain loyal to the Penguins and the league.

“Hopefully everyone comes back,” Crosby said. “I understand people are frustrated. It‘s more than understandable for people to be frustrated. I don‘t blame them at all. I just hope everyone is excited by the news and by the idea of hockey being back. I‘m sure there are a lot of happy people out there, but I understand there are those who are frustrated and discouraged. I understand it. I get that. I just hope they can find it in themselves to come back and support us. Their support means an awful lot to us.”


21 posted on 01/09/2013 3:44:02 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: airborne; Hat-Trick; SZonian; retrokitten; hollywood; Alberta's Child; Betis70; ColoCdn; k2afe; ...
Hockey Ping!

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(let me know if you want on or off the ping list)

22 posted on 01/09/2013 3:46:22 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: airborne; Hat-Trick; SZonian; retrokitten; hollywood; Alberta's Child; Betis70; ColoCdn; k2afe; ...
Hockey Ping!

Photobucket

(let me know if you want on or off the ping list)

23 posted on 01/09/2013 3:47:08 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: airborne; Hat-Trick; SZonian; retrokitten; hollywood; Alberta's Child; Betis70; ColoCdn; k2afe; ...
Hockey Ping!

Photobucket

(let me know if you want on or off the ping list)

24 posted on 01/09/2013 3:48:09 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: airborne
WHOA! WTF???

Sorry, I don't know how I sent a "hat trick" post.

(a natural HT at that!)

;^)


25 posted on 01/09/2013 3:53:57 AM PST by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: Venturer

Lots of money lost by Concessionaires, people who work the ice, set up the stadium, sell tickets,even people who clean the stadium, people who don’t get big salaries and got hurt by the strike. How do they make up for their loss?


All the people involved in the radio and TV broadcasts, including the working class techs, take a beating too. My son is a TV sports tech guy (camera and graphics) and works for the Canadian companies when their teams play at Verizon in DC. He loses some gigs but many of his colleagues, who work the Caps fulltime, pretty much lose their winter income. Not good.


26 posted on 01/09/2013 4:49:25 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Diehards will always be diehards.

I suggested a 120 game season to run through next year, taking two months off in the summer.


Ha! I like it. I used to think there ought to be a “law of maximum hockey.” That Nature should steer playoffs into 7th games and then steer 7th games into OT, etc.

But I’m not he fan I once was and tend to fall asleep these days as the 3rd OT drifts mindlessly into the 4th OT. Oh, well. Who knew.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 4:56:48 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: shove_it

What a ridiculous article written by a little liberal pleeb who knows nothing about business. Blames it all on the owners, even in a sport where many franchises struggle financially, going into more bad ecnomic years. What a maroon.

And FTR, his gratuitous shot at the Carolina Hurricanes shows ignorance too. For a small market franchise, 1 Cup and 3 conference finals in 10 year time frame ain’t too shabby.


28 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:18 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: PaleoBob

Absolutely right! Billionaires and millionaires taking advantage of thousandaires. It just is not right. I’ll never watch a Flyers game again.


29 posted on 01/09/2013 5:45:27 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: BluH2o
Need to include Pittsburgh

The Penguins desecrated the cup by leaving it in Mario's pool overnight. Pittsburgh will continue to suffer and probably should lose their team.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 6:33:01 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: RitchieAprile

Nashville too. We’ve made the play-offs 6/8 last seasons.


31 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:02 AM PST by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: jack1165

I remember in ‘95 Bettman was a shill for every team with a big star - he was looking for Michael Jordan on skates. During his 2nd period interview just before the Devils (the very picture of what a hockey TEAM is) won the cup, I watched the fans whip french fries at him. You could see them flying by on camera as he spoke.

One of the finest moments in Hockey.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 6:44:20 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: airborne

I’ll second that emotion. NHL fans will bitch about this fiasco for a while but we are fiercely loyal to our teams and will come back like we always do.


33 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:18 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: frithguild
The Penguins desecrated the cup by leaving it in Mario's pool overnight.

Didn't know that ... desecrating the Stanley Cup in this manner is unconscionable. This cup is the 'Holy Grail' of the NHL ... I've seen it hoisted in jubilation many times by victorious teams over the several decades I've been around ... grew up in Canada. The Penguins should be banished from the NHL. Screw Mario Lemieux.

34 posted on 01/09/2013 8:03:24 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

Lots of crazy stuff happened to the Cup in the old days before the HOF started sending a handler around the world with it. Crazy stuff still happens to it, but it no longer gets left in streams and pools, now the craziness is generally limited to being used to dispense alcohol and food.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 8:17:06 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I suggested a 120 game season to run through next year, taking two months off in the summer.

No offense, but yuck. Actually, the last time they went with a 48-game schedule, I thought the energy level it created was great -- every game meant so much more because there were relatively few chances to make up for any lost ground. Gave the regular season a more playoff-like atmosphere.

One thing I would like to see the league change (other than tarring and feathering Bettman) is how points are awarded. Right now, you have some games that award a total of 3 points (OT/shootout games) and others that award 2 points (regulation wins). Every game should be worth the same number of points, and if not, a regulation win should be worth more than an OT/shootout win. Simple solution: award 3 points for a regulation win, and keep the 2/1 split for OT/shootout. Simple solution #2: get rid of shootouts, make all wins worth 2 points, and ties 1 point each... like it used to be.

36 posted on 01/09/2013 8:20:25 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: frithguild
The Penguins desecrated the cup by leaving it in Mario's pool overnight. Pittsburgh will continue to suffer and probably should lose their team.

I have talked to some former NHL players who have had the privilege of having The Cup for a day. Believe me, having it in a swimming pool is nothing compared to what that cup has been through.

37 posted on 01/09/2013 9:17:58 AM PST by Ditto
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To: frithguild
Here are some PG-13 stories of what The Cup has been through. There are also some X rated stories I have been told by former players.

Some swimming pool chlorine is probably a good thing.

BTW. Mario's pool isn't the only time The Cup went swimming.

38 posted on 01/09/2013 9:43:07 AM PST by Ditto
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To: secret garden

Barry Trotz is a great coach. I mark Preds for a cup
probably before the Sharks get one.


39 posted on 01/09/2013 12:19:53 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: secret garden

Barry Trotz is a great coach. I mark Preds for a cup
probably before the Sharks get one.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 12:19:58 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: wrcase
I remember when the NHL was 12 teams. Hockey wasn't better. I'd guess the players and owners don't want to go back to then because it was very regional and low profit. The lack of money would drive the best players to Europe.
41 posted on 01/09/2013 12:41:59 PM PST by Varda
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To: RitchieAprile

We love Trotzy as a coach and he’s an even better man.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 12:57:46 PM PST by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: shove_it

The league gets my money. Last year it was Penguins, Blue Jackets and Coyotes. This year year I’ll try to visit another arena.

Looking forward to seeing -
*Sidney Crosby be his usual great self even with less than optimal wings.
*Hope to see Brandon Saad make the Chicago BlackHawks team.
*Want to see the LA Kings which is my Stanley Cup favorite. Let the games begin!


43 posted on 01/09/2013 1:30:01 PM PST by Varda (Let's Go Pens!!!)
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To: Ditto

And how have the Habs done since ‘93? The chlorine in a pool harms that cup - that is desecration. Like when the Rangers won the cup in 1940 and burned the lease in it - look at what happened to them.

As I see it, the strikes of recent years are because the cup has been mistreated. The League has goons walking around with it now. Keep the cup from the players, the game will leave them too. Without the cup, there is no game.

The cup belongs to each player who won it until another team wins it. You can do whatever you want with the cup - but if you harm it, you and your team will suffer the consequences.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 1:39:59 PM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Ditto
nothing compared to what that cup has been through

It's yours if you win it - do anything you want with it. Harm the cup, what I am calling desecration, and you and you team may never see it again. That's how it works.

45 posted on 01/09/2013 1:43:11 PM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: frithguild
It's yours if you win it - do anything you want with it. Harm the cup, what I am calling desecration, and you and you team may never see it again. That's how it works.

Is it 'how it works?" The Cup is not like the piece of the Holy Cross. It was a cheep trophy that some guy named Stanley picked up in a shop on one of his trips to London. It is a piece of metal.... (and BTW, the one being given out now is just a replica of the original, which was damaged beyond repair by 'desecration' in your words, forty years ago.

IMHO, the players who win that cup should be allowed to have some fun with it, and that is the very reason the Stanley Cup is so unique from other sports.

It is not the object itself. It is the spirit of the game and the spirit of the young men who give all for the opportunity to have a day with that cup signifying that they were on a team that reached the top of their profession.

Quit being so damn sanctimonious and enjoy the tradition.

It's not the flag. It's not a religious relic. It's a nice looking hunk of metal that is more valuable because of the stories generations of players can tell about how they "desecrated" it on their day as opposed to having it locked up in some unapproachable 'white glove only' vault.

Have you ever known any NHL players? I have. Regardless of background they are Blue Collar guys with Blue Collar ethics. Every one that I have known would tell you to lighten up. They are great guys who love to party and unlike other pro jocks I have met, they don't take themselves or the game as seriously as you seem to. That is why I have especially liked those hockey players.

They would tell you, IT'S JUST A GAME! Enjoy it.

46 posted on 01/09/2013 7:02:13 PM PST by Ditto
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To: wrcase
You've got a good point there. I'm as strong a hockey fan as you'll find anywhere, and I've said for years that an 18-team league is probably about the biggest that can be supported.

One problem is that there are only nine teams with really strong fan bases ... and by this I mean teams that will draw 15,000+ fans to a late-season game even if the team is out of playoff contention. These teams are the "Original Six" (New York Rangers, Montreal, Boston, Toronto, Detroit and Chicago), plus Philadelphia, Buffalo and Edmonton.

Buffalo is borderline because it's a city in decline, but it's got a great core of fans and some great regional rivalries. Edmonton may be the most hockey-crazed city in North America, but it's a small city by major-league standards and had a winning tradition in the 1980s that it will never match again.

Take these nine teams and add another nine that cover large metro areas in the U.S., teams with strong winning traditions, and a couple of mid-sized markets in Canada ... and you've got a good core for the NHL. I would consider these nine possibilities:

10. St. Louis
11. Los Angeles
12. Ottawa
13. Vancouver
14. New Jersey
15. Pittsburgh
16. Minneapolis
17. Denver
18. Washington

47 posted on 01/09/2013 7:34:36 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: frithguild
I'll never forget that interview. The best part about it was that while he was being interviewed, there was just no way for the Fox Sports crew to screen out the unmistakeable chant of the fans in the background at the arena:

"Bettman sucks! ... Bettman sucks! ... Bettman sucks!"

LOL.

48 posted on 01/09/2013 7:38:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: wastedyears

"Everybody is just on their feet screaming "Kill! Kill! Kill!" THIS IS HOCKEY!"

49 posted on 01/09/2013 7:38:55 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Diehards will always be diehards.

Diehard? Reread the title of this thread. I really don't give a damn about hockey. Whatever was done or will be done will be totally forgotten in 5 to 10 years. As far as I'm concerned hockey should be played on natural ice using natural light.

50 posted on 01/09/2013 7:58:20 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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