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Beyond 9mm: Concealed Carry in .40 and .45
breitbart ^ | 1/9/13 | a hawkins

Posted on 01/09/2013 5:37:14 AM PST by bestintxas

The 9mm is a great round, and in my last concealed carry post I covered some great concealed carry guns built around that caliber. However, there are a lot of handguns in larger calibers that are perfect for concealed carry as well -- that are also designed for concealed carry -- and these guns carry the benefit of having more knock down power, or more one-shot stopping power.

Specifically, I'm thinking about handguns chambered in .40 and .45 caliber.

To cover these rounds, I'm going to examine the Glock 27 in .40, the Smith & Wesson M&P in .45, and the Springfield XDS in .45.

Let's begin with the Glock 27.

Just as I wrote concerning the Glock 26 in an earlier post, the Glock 27 is as close to handgun perfection as mankind can witness in this world. It is compact, unbelievably durable, and it shoots any kind of factory-loaded ammo you want to put through it.

Like the Glock 26 in 9mm, the Glock 27 in .40 provides great second shot accuracy for those who take the time to practice, practice, practice. Unlike the 26, the model 27 shoots the potent .40 cal round. This round is very popular with federal agencies and police departments and is a concealed carry staple because of its raw stopping power.

For anyone unfamiliar with the .40 cal round, it is slightly more expensive to buy than 9mm, but not significantly so. And plus-P hollow points in .40 cal are simply a force to be reckoned with.

The Glock 27 comes standard with two 9 round magazines, and it's so popular that accessories galore -- holsters, lights, lasers, etc. -- are readily available for it.

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I requested my wife to give me for Christmas a Glock 22 40 cal. Am rethinking that now as I think the shorter barrel may be better in event I wish to carry.
1 posted on 01/09/2013 5:37:19 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

My wife has the M&P .40 cal compact - great home defense weapon - plus the multiple magazines that I purchased to go along with it...

I carried a .40 cal S&W 4006 when I was in L.E...

After multiple tours in Iraq using both the 92F and Glock in 9mm....

I came home and purchased a .40 cal S&W 410 SS and a Springfield 1911 .45cal...I carry the 1911 all the time...great weapon...


2 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:33 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: bestintxas

One must take into consideration that there is several hundred million .40 rounds out there in somebody elses warehouses as well.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 5:45:27 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: bestintxas
Now here's some real knockdown power.

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4 posted on 01/09/2013 5:48:37 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: BCW
I'm really intrigued with the Springfield XDS my own self, based only on what I've read about it for now.

Maybe Santa Claus will bring me one later this year.

5 posted on 01/09/2013 5:48:50 AM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: bestintxas

Among these, how would the Kimber compare?


6 posted on 01/09/2013 5:50:29 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: bestintxas

was going to do a diatribe against glocks. I don’t like them, but if you are comfortable with one go for it.

as far as caliber...depends how much weight and bulk you can carry. When I was young, I use to tote a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag on my belt all day while hunting...did not even know it was there....

now when I conceal carry, I feel weighed down by my tiny (but steel)Colt Mustang .380. My son bought himself a Ruger lightweight LCP the same caliber and it is practically weightless. now they have a similar piece in 9mm...the LC9...more power...I have fired both, and if you like DAO guns, these are hard to beat.

good luck with whatever you do...and watch out for the Gun Grabbers! it is open season on The Constitution!

Lock and Load

MOLON LABE!


7 posted on 01/09/2013 5:50:57 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: bestintxas

There’s no such thing as “knock down power”.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 5:51:51 AM PST by yobid (Catastrophic failure is the only solution)
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To: bestintxas
In the coming insurrection the effectiveness of the round versus the expense of the round may matter less.
A rifle chambered for the 9mm may still fire a powerful enough projectile and is certainly a heck of a lot cheaper to keep loaded.

Most of us are not snipers and a 9mm chambered carbine (the extended barrel adds about 300fps) could be the most efficacious home defense system for Joe paycheck to paycheck Six-pac in the current race to prepare for the coming totalitarian tyranny of the Marxist Obama.

9 posted on 01/09/2013 5:52:46 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: bestintxas
My 2 centavos:

I'm not a fan of CC weapons with no external safety features, nor am I a great fan of the .40 cal round. I'd go with either a compact .45 (which is what I do, most of the time), or a 9mm - a smaller round, to be sure, but compensated for by higher muzzle velocity and extra magazine capacity (up to 16+1 in the Springfield XD). The 9mm gets a bad rap in my opinion. It's perfectly serviceable for self-defense, using good-quality JHP's. Shot placement is everything, of course; that's why we train and practice.

10 posted on 01/09/2013 5:54:20 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: bestintxas

Kahr .40.


11 posted on 01/09/2013 5:55:52 AM PST by QQQQ
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To: yobid
"There’s no such thing as “knock down power”.

Says who? I've seen several people shot with a .45 and all of them died. Seems to me it knocked 'em down just fine.

12 posted on 01/09/2013 5:57:44 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: OKSooner

I think you’ll still within the Christmas period — I would get it NOW! I’ve shot Glock alot - had to per regulation to carry that weapon hot in Iraq...but nothing compares to the old standard - tested in combat - served this nation well - than an 1911!

I’ve seen and held the XDS - but I’m kinda off of the composite lower style of weapons — but if that’s the weapon that suits you - then get it - train with it - and carry it!

It really depends on the user - scary things are happening - I went on line yesterday trying to find anyone that has 30rd magazines for AR15/M4 rifles in .223/5.56 - and all I got was, “Out of Stock” -— if some of the people were armed before Sandy Hook and Fienstein’s meddling - now ALL the people are armed with something...

Get it now before we are all buying percussion cap .44cal pistol and walking around like Blondie(Clint Eastwood)...


13 posted on 01/09/2013 5:58:21 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: SERKIT

Good but expensive.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 5:58:57 AM PST by QQQQ
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To: SERKIT

“Among these, how would the Kimber compare?”

Kimber may be going out of business today at 1:30 p.m. when Cuomo announces his “extreme new gun laws” for NY State.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:43 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: bestintxas
. . .and these guns carry the benefit of having more knock down power, or more one-shot stopping power.

Someone has been suckered into spouting off something for which there is no objective truth. All handguns are bad "man stoppers," but all are more convenient than long arms. There is nothing but supposition to support the notion that there is any meaningful difference between the "duty calibers" of 9mm, .40 S&W. and the .45ACP when each caliber is deployed with modern jacketed hollowpoint bullets fired against a human target.



No handgun round fires a projectile with enough velocity to produce "hydrostatic shock" or "knock down power." Finally, the infamous "one stop shot" that is popular in certain circles is "junk science," if such "studies" even rise to that low bar of credibility.
16 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:57 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: Happy Rain
"Most of us are not snipers..."

Then you need more practice. There is no excuse for poor marksmanship skills.

17 posted on 01/09/2013 6:00:05 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SERKIT

Kimbers are beautifully-made weapons, especially their 1911 .45’s. Great materials, fit, and finish, But they come with a hefty price tag.


18 posted on 01/09/2013 6:00:32 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: bestintxas

I don’t get...”and it shoots any kind of factory-loaded ammo you want to put through it”. I can literally put any kind of bullet into this gun?

I’m new to all of this and have been looking for a handgun that can stop an intruder and be fired by my 15 year old daughter without loss of control. Any suggestions?


19 posted on 01/09/2013 6:02:47 AM PST by albie
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To: OKSooner

CZ RAMI

20 posted on 01/09/2013 6:02:53 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bestintxas

A full size 1911 in .45 is not at all hard to carry all day for the average size person in the right holster.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 6:03:22 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: bestintxas

As in Goldilocks and the Three Bears: The 22 is a bit large; the 27 is a bit small; the 23 is just right!


22 posted on 01/09/2013 6:06:33 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Chainmail
There are no poor shooting Marines—why is that?

Because a poor shot never gets to join the Corps.

Is not being good enough to be a Marine just an excuse or can just anybody be a Marine?

23 posted on 01/09/2013 6:08:39 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Goldsborough

I agree with your post. There is no one shot sure stop with a hand gun (short of getting to the CNS.) I recall an incident reported in NYC in the 70s when the police and feds fired and hit a subject over 40 times in an elevator with rounds from 380 to 45 cal and the guy still managed to get his hands around the neck of a Narc and almost choked him to death. He bled out eventually.

That said, I personally prefer the sandw 40 and use a Bersa ultra compact as I like the external safety feature. When I was on the job, carried a Glock 19 then a Glock 22 over my last 10 years there. Having used a wheel gun (sandw 19)before that, never became comfortable with the trigger safety...a personal preference matter for sure.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 6:18:40 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Happy Rain
Because a poor shot never gets to join the Corps.

What a load of crap!

Marines are TAUGHT marksmanship!

Semper Fi!

25 posted on 01/09/2013 6:19:17 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Chainmail
.22 and .380 kill more people in the US than any other caliber. May not stop a crazed crackhead/starving OBot with a center mass hit but controllable enough for head shots. Small enough to be wear anywhere.
26 posted on 01/09/2013 6:20:36 AM PST by USAF80
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To: bestintxas

Here’s a no BS article from a no BS sort of guy who has actually used a gun to defend his life and end others:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob93.html

Oh, and putting my money and my life where my mouth is I daily carry a .40 caliber Glock G23 with Gold Dot 165 JHPs in it.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 6:22:45 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: albie

I would suggest a 20 gauge shotgun for you and your daughter for home defense.

Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 would work fine. Under $400


28 posted on 01/09/2013 6:23:19 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: grobdriver

A full size 1911 in .45 is not at all hard to carry all day..

I love .45 but I live in South Texas where it is hot and humid. Uniform of the day is shorts, T-shirts and flip flops 9 mos out of the year.

I do admit to wearing jeans, socks and shoes several days out of the year, however.

I feel most comfortable with front pocket, cargo pocket or rear pocket carry.

Nothing over 16 oz. or it really feels like my shorts are about to hit the floor before I give the command.


29 posted on 01/09/2013 6:23:54 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: albie
"a handgun that can stop an intruder and be fired by my 15 year old daughter without loss of control"

You'll need to test various handguns, but it's hard to beat a good 38sp/357mag revolver.

Also check out the FN Five Seven if you don't mind dropping a grand or so. It's used by the secret service.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 6:25:46 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: bestintxas
Encyclopedia Paulitannica on wound ballistics
31 posted on 01/09/2013 6:25:57 AM PST by real saxophonist (I show my friends my 1911. I show my enemies my Glock.)
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To: albie

stop an intruder and be fired by my 15 year old daughter without loss of control. Any suggestions?

regarding your point, the only thing that helps with that is grip and practice. When adrenaline is pumping, rote response rules the day. As to what gun, that is personal to the person who will be using it. I’ve seen men and women who can fire high caliber firearms well, and some poorly. My wife falls in the latter category so we have a 20 gauge double for her in case an intruder gets inside...she is confident with that, more so than with any hand gun.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 6:28:42 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: bestintxas

I have the mod 22 .40 Glock and like it a lot.


33 posted on 01/09/2013 6:29:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Hang'emAll
Austin is similar (but granted not as bad...)
Being prone to melanoma I've gotten used to light, high-SPF, high-tech (moisture-wicking) pants, a tee with an open long sleeve shirt made of the same stuff as the pants - which conveniently serves as a cover garment.

(shrug) Works for me.

34 posted on 01/09/2013 6:31:01 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: facedown

I have a 23, and a 27. The 23 stays home, the 27 travels a lot.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 6:31:48 AM PST by ASA Vet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: USAF80
".22 and .380 kill more people in the US than any other caliber"

Reagan was very nearly killed by a ricochet from a cheap .22 cal snub nosed revolver.

36 posted on 01/09/2013 6:35:01 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: umgud
That's my ankle gun.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 6:36:29 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: bestintxas

I’ll pass on this glass of Glock cool-aid, thank you very much.


38 posted on 01/09/2013 6:37:43 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: bestintxas
The 9mm is a great round

I used to believe that was true.

However, several reports over several years of suspects carted off to the hospital after 3,5,7, or 9 hits from a 9mm changed my opinion. If someone is threatening me I don't want a round that sends them to the hospital, I want a round that sends them to the morgue.

39 posted on 01/09/2013 6:39:29 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: albie
Different bullet style in that caliber. Round nose, hollow point, soft point, semi wad cutter etc.

Some will only feed reliably with round nose, not the best choice for defense.

As for home defense, look at an all stainless steel .357mag double action revolver with 4” barrel.

You can shoot .38 special or .357mag. any style bullet will work. Mix or match makes no difference. Still works.

If one round fails to fire for some reason just pull the trigger again for the next round. No having to learn how to clear a jam. Load, aim, shoot, eject. Repeat.

40 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:17 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: bestintxas
I'm another Glock Ho. 10mm baby!!


41 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:17 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: bestintxas

I’ll keep my G19. Critical Duty +p is just as effective as a .40 using anything else.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 6:45:09 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: umgud

Good thing the barrel is ported. Otherwise it would kick like a mule.


43 posted on 01/09/2013 6:47:14 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Happy Rain

The Marines teach marksmanship. I can tell you from personal experience, many of the Marine Recruits come from the cities and have never fired a long arm before joining. Many of them have never used a shovel or swung a sledge either.


44 posted on 01/09/2013 6:48:28 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: bestintxas

I’ve CC a Sig p220, a full sized DA 45acp weapon. You do need to choose your wardrobe carefully though.


45 posted on 01/09/2013 6:52:22 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: yobid

I would have to agree with that except for the .45 for obvious reasons. The problem is you really only get one good shot. A 9mm holding 15 Critical Duty is heady stuff. Who cares if it can penetrate a car doors and windows. That’s cop stuff.


46 posted on 01/09/2013 6:52:55 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: OKSooner

I own and XD in .45 ACP. I love it.


47 posted on 01/09/2013 6:53:18 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: MosesKnows
In a SHTF scenario any round you have will suffice. It’s not like there will be 911 services. A BB gun will keep most a-—holes off you.

The 9 mike mike is the most common round, it’s used by most miltary forces so running out will not be an issue. Same same for .223/5.56 and 7.62. I can carry more rounds of 9mm than .40. Heck, I can carry a brick of .22s in the space of 5 9mm/.40 mags. Weight matters when hoofing.

.22 may be small but most will break off an attack when hit a few times from max range. We are talking about people not Grizzlies.

48 posted on 01/09/2013 6:53:54 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Glock 32 and an M4. My back up is a .22 mag bolt action that is accurate out to 150yards+. I have 3000 rounds for it.


49 posted on 01/09/2013 6:56:43 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: sonofagun; Happy Rain

As I recall, recruits are taught marksmanship and don’t become Marines unless they meet the Corps’ minimum standards.


50 posted on 01/09/2013 6:57:28 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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