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Biden Drops Bombshell: Obama Will Use Executive Orders To Grab The Guns
PatDollard.com ^ | 01/09/2013 | Pat Dollard

Posted on 01/09/2013 12:25:17 PM PST by JihadiKiller

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To: carriage_hill

My hair was standing up on my neck too as I was composing it.......


51 posted on 01/09/2013 1:42:40 PM PST by OB1kNOb (On November 6th liberty was given the death penalty in America.)
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To: eartick
There is plenty of room for debate but I think it's arguable that
the rule of law is being destroyed from the top down.

Is it possible to be a criminal if there is no rule of law?

52 posted on 01/09/2013 1:43:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: drbuzzard

Putting them on record is never pointless.


53 posted on 01/09/2013 1:44:48 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: JihadiKiller

This is TREASON talk. Time to get a lot of rope.


54 posted on 01/09/2013 1:47:06 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: ez
The fact that he is governing in this fashion means one of two things...he will complete his “transformation” within the next 4 years, or, he does not intend to leave office.

It also means that he has Zer0 confidence that Congress, the courts or the people support what he is doing.

55 posted on 01/09/2013 1:47:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: eartick
On most days its not as excititing as you might think. Ive been an unlicenced chicken smuggler for years (WLIC). Ive been known to sell em all, white chickens, black chickens, magic chickens, self loading full auto assault chickens with a comb lug, and never once heard from the Beureau of Chicken Control.

Its probably only a matter of time now...

56 posted on 01/09/2013 1:49:54 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: Cyber Liberty

It may be time to start heating up a batch of tar and gather up some feather pillows.


Rails are good too.
Keep your ropes handy though.....God provides the trees.


57 posted on 01/09/2013 1:56:48 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (That Queer Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: JihadiKiller

Only if the citizens comply. The people, not the government lackeys, are sovereign.


58 posted on 01/09/2013 2:00:50 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: JihadiKiller

When Biden earlier said it would happen by the end of January, I knew it had to be by executive order.

Biden was smiling all over himself this morning - one big grin covering his whole body. He and Hussein against millions of gun owners. The odds of winning this gun grab war are in favor of whom?


59 posted on 01/09/2013 2:03:44 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: gnarledmaw
Which came first chicken smuggling or egg smuggling?
I have heard that eggs are a gateway contraband.
60 posted on 01/09/2013 2:04:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“Executive orders cannot violate the Constitution.”

That is like saying murderers will give up their guns when guns are outlawed. They won’t give them up and Hussein will violate the constitution whenever he feels like it, like he already has, and tough cookie to us.


61 posted on 01/09/2013 2:08:00 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I read your link and the associated links to two degrees. I think you are correct. The problem is that I think Obama has forgotten about the Brown Portal and Creeping KMA.


62 posted on 01/09/2013 2:08:58 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: napscoordinator

“In four years, those Executive Orders go away with the President.”

Once he has disarmed the people, why should he go away?


63 posted on 01/09/2013 2:12:47 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: napscoordinator
In four years, those Executive Orders go away with the President.

No. They don't. Daddy Bush and Clinton both still have EO's that are in effect. The Eastern Bloc weapons import ban was an EO as was DRMO ammo/parts not being sold to Civvies.

It requires another EO, action by Congress, or a Federal court ruling to reverse an EO.

64 posted on 01/09/2013 2:15:43 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
“Will congress will permit themselves to be neutered?”

Neutered? Irrelevant is more appropriate. Congress is a bunch of spineless, gutless, clueless RINOs and communist Donkeys. They and the Supremes are irrelevant to POTUS.

65 posted on 01/09/2013 2:17:14 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01

It was a bit of a rhetorical question.


66 posted on 01/09/2013 2:19:06 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: napscoordinator
“Obama signs Executive Orders banning certain weapons....In four years, those Executive Orders go away with the President. If Congress passes a bill banning certain weapons, we will have to wait much longer to change the laws back.”

The next president would have to throw that order out, but since the next president will be Hillary or another Democrat, we are still sunk. Reality says this country has seen it glory days and now it's over. That is not a pessimistic or depressing outlook - that is reality and I have dealt with the reality of it coming. I am not freaking out - I am preparing for it and feel just fine.

67 posted on 01/09/2013 2:21:29 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

An unconstitutional EO. They can take my guns one bullet at a time from 500yds. My front door makes a good target. Halloween pumpkin targets all around the house, if I’m there.


68 posted on 01/09/2013 2:26:30 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: JihadiKiller
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69 posted on 01/09/2013 2:28:26 PM PST by Katechon
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To: OB1kNOb
45 With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller - ... Excellent modern day update.

I. Identify gun owners

1. Collate the Class 3 firearm permits established by 1934 National Firearm Act (NFA) to find those who legally own machine guns.

2. Use the U.S. Postal Service to identify NRA members by the mailing labels on their monthly magazines.

3. Utilize the Patriot Act and Executive Orders decreed by BHO to data mine the internet to identify firearm owners just like they hunt Islamic terrorists.

4. As part of ObamaCare medical records standardization, mandate physicians to include a question whether the patient has a firearm in his home.

5. Covertly and illegally retain the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) records to identify those who were approved to purchase a firearm.

6. Threaten state governors if they don’t co-operate with the federal government in identifying gun owners. The federal government will suspend federal subsidies to the states, e.g., Medicaid, highway grants, etc.

a. Mandate state agriculture departments to divulge registry of issued hunting licenses to identify gun owners.

b. Mandate sheriff departments to divulge their registry of concealed-carry weapon permits.

c. Implement a crime report program where-by citizens can report their gun-owner neighbors.

d. Mandate physicians to divulge the medical records of patients who voluntarily listed on their personal data forms that they have a firearm(s) in the house.

II. Digitally punish gun owners who do not register/ surrender their firearms.

1. Freeze bank accounts
2. Freeze employer health insurance benefits
3. Suspend ObamaCare access
4. Freeze 401-k/ IRA assets
5. Suspend Social Security benefits
6. Suspend federal pensions
7. Liens on your properties, e.g., home, automobile, etc.
8. Suspend credit cards
8. Suspend driver’s license
9. Suspend any work license, e.g., contractors, doctors, etc.
10. Cut-off utilities, i.e., electricity, natural gas, and water.

III. Target high profile private gun owners with LEO raids at their homes to intimidate the resistance.

1. 1st target may be the militias identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

70 posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:59 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: eartick
Folks better start gettin together!
71 posted on 01/09/2013 2:33:24 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: JihadiKiller
The rhetoric being communicated by this administration, combined now with such reckless statements coming from Biden and other politicians, is setting in motion a dangerous course of action that government was never intended or allowed to complicate under our Constitution. The semi-automatic rifle in any configuration is the same weapon protected by the 2nd amendment as was the musket carried by every citizen, the militia, and the Continental Army when it was ratified. Imagine if at the end of the Revolutionary war the Congress had not ratified the 2nd amendment in the Bill of Rights and attempted to have the Continental Army disarm the citizens. The nation would have ended quickly and or the Army would have disbanded and the States would still be a confederation and not a nation. For the entire history of our nation up through WWII the common American was better armed and more equipped than the standing military when it came to infantry rifles. There is no difference today when you talk about attempting to regulate or confiscate AR-15’s or any other type of semi-automatic rifle or ray gun of the future for that matter. So, what was the difference in 1776? It was the people and their faith, and their morals, and their quest for liberty and defense of freedom and defiance of tyranny. We now have a populace that does not understand those values nor share those qualities and wants to regulate every single aspect of our lives from conception to the grave to a large measure in large cities, but not the majority yet across the whole nation.

So now, the autocratic tyrants wish to disarm those of us who will not go quietly into the night as we still believe in and are willing to sacrifice and die to preserve the Constitution and rule of law founded upon in the beginning of America. Back in the beginning it was just a handful, maybe less than 10% that really risked anything to fight the British. What was the difference in 1770? The civilian population made a stand and organized starting from Concord and Lexington and gave the fledgling Congress time to organize an army. This stopped the British from disarming the people and gave time to organize a standing army. So if a tyrannical government in 2013 without first amending the Constitution to abolish the 2nd amendment, and doing so without States consent, attempts to defy our laws and confiscate weapons, what are the citizens to do?

The answer is to organize as we did in in 1770. To band together with a pledge to stand together or hang alone. In 2013 this would require gun friendly states to pass legislation preventing the federal government from taking civilian semi-auto rifles. In these states you could set up organizations for civilians to join as likeminded individuals with pledges to come to the aid of anyone the federal government attempted to disarm. Some states have anti militia laws attempting to prevent free men from banding together. You could form groups that share contact information that link up communication with other groups that pledge to up hold and defend the Constitution and to come to the aid of anyone threatened by confiscation. There are peaceful ways to set up and organize without breaking existing state laws banning militias in order to defend the ownership of arms protected by the 2nd amendment. It is time for our own rhetoric to be heard.

72 posted on 01/09/2013 2:33:51 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Actually, it was quite on target. Both the legislative and judicial branches have been totally worthless. My question is: If they have demonstrated their worthlessness, why pay them?


73 posted on 01/09/2013 2:34:41 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: ez

If he goes so far as to take our guns, what makes you imagine that there will be a future President?


74 posted on 01/09/2013 2:35:23 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: TigersEye
"I have heard that eggs are a gateway contraband."

OK, yes. I guess I cant blame you, I outed myself...

Ive been an egg abuser for years. The doctor said my cholesterol was so high that my blood was more like jelly.

(He he ha! Theyve fallen for it. Now, after a brief term in jail and some bs rehab then Ill be ready to run for office as a Democrat and then....THE WORLD!)

75 posted on 01/09/2013 2:37:39 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: eyedigress
“An unconstitutional EO.”

Yes, it would be. However, when he wrote the executive order to instruct ICE not to deport illegals that were born here and going to college, was not that unconstitutional, too? He alone decided who was illegal and not illegal and that order is now the law of the land as congress did nothing.

Congress would have to do something about an executive order grabbing guns, and they won't. It's a good cover for them not have to come down on the side of gun people or non-gun people - they are left out of it and that would be just peachy for them. One has to look at both sides and see who would benefit from plan A or plan B or plan C or....

76 posted on 01/09/2013 2:37:39 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: JihadiKiller
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77 posted on 01/09/2013 2:41:09 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: napscoordinator
The EO is just the beginning. Obozo will also use regulatory powers found in the executive branch.

At the same time, he will push for the passing of legislation to bolster a long term solution.

Even longer term, attempting to use the supreme court to solidify the law of the land and the U.N. to destroy arms dealing on an international scale.

If you ain't got one, better go buy one....and lotsa ammo to boot. If there is gun confiscation orders involved retroactively, this things gonna get uuuuugly.

78 posted on 01/09/2013 2:43:27 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: MacNaughton
>>Implement a crime report program where-by citizens can report their gun-owner neighbors.<<

Glad I live in Texas! Just about everyone owns a gun.

>>Target high profile private gun owners with LEO raids at their homes to intimidate the resistance.<<

and then they may find themselves with a lil more than a just resistance.

79 posted on 01/09/2013 2:51:52 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: JihadiKiller
'L'état, c'est moi'.
80 posted on 01/09/2013 2:51:52 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: baddog 219

Source: Daletoons

81 posted on 01/09/2013 2:53:49 PM PST by Katechon
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To: servantboy777

Yessir, been spending some quality time with some of my closer associates.

My wife is getting kinda jealous and starting to worry about me......????


82 posted on 01/09/2013 2:55:02 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: JihadiKiller

Americans can and will ignore any illegal dictate from the Dear Reader. He can not dictate the constitution away unless he has enough treasonous pigs to force it.

The “ruler” fascist/communist wannabes are desparate. They are asking to be picked off. Treason is no joke and it must become a deadly political fad for the elite in America.

They are into killin’ thought enemies. They’ll understand.


83 posted on 01/09/2013 2:57:04 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: JihadiKiller

An EO taking guns is simultaneously his own death warrant

Won’t be tolerated


84 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:50 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: JihadiKiller

It’s all theater to continue to keep the female vote a lock.


85 posted on 01/09/2013 3:01:49 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Not voting against multiple ObamaPhoneWoman votes anymore.)
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To: bert

“An EO taking guns is simultaneously his own death warrant”

Or perhaps the appearance of it, say, with a double.

Or as a mujahid.

“Jihad: from Jakarta to the White House”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/jihad-from-jakarta-to-the-whitehouse-ramadan-kareem.html


86 posted on 01/09/2013 3:11:08 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: JihadiKiller

Newsmax
Obama May Use Executive Order to Grab Guns, Warns Biden
Wednesday, January 9, 2013 01:22 PM

President Barack Obama will consider using executive orders among the steps to curb gun violence following last month’s mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school, Vice President Joe Biden said.

“The president and I are determined to take action,” Biden said at the start of a meeting with gun-control advocates and groups representing victims.

“We haven’t decided what that is yet,” Biden told the Weekly Standard. “But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”

Biden called it a moral issue, adding that “it’s critically important that we act.”


87 posted on 01/09/2013 3:12:37 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: carriage_hill

If he tries to ban guns without constitutional authority (treason), the best he can hope for is get Americans to honker down until he’s out.

In the meantime, the NRA and Tea Party will ream out his commie party. Iowa, among other States, has a treasonous bastard who has totally dropped his cover. I guess the GOP could be stupid enough to wreck that power.


88 posted on 01/09/2013 3:22:35 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

We’re also going to be facing Wal-Mart, Dick’s, Cabelas etc as they’re seeming to line-up on the gov’t side, probably due to threats. There’s a distinct line being drawn in the wet concrete, and it’s hardening quickly.


89 posted on 01/09/2013 4:20:30 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: JihadiKiller; All
Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my!

I think that the only reason that pro-gun rights patriots get upset when they hear about Obama and executive orders, executive order being a PC term not found in the Constitution, is the following. Not only do Sections 1-3 of Article I of the Constitution clearly indicate that ALL legislative powers of the federal government are vested in the ELECTED members of Congress, not the Oval Office or the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court has already appropriately clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders don't intrinsically have the force of law.

Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer

The only time that executive orders have the force of law is when the order is based on a law made by Congress. In other words, when an official action of the president has the legislative support of Congress. Otherwise, since Obama has a divided Congress, he can make paper airplanes out of his executive orders.

The 2nd Amendment is not going to help patriots if they don't bother to learn the rest of the Constitution and its history. But I'll also admit that it's a big problem when law enforcement people who don't know the Constitution and its history blindly obey any of Obama's constitutionally indefensible executive orders.

90 posted on 01/09/2013 4:28:29 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: carriage_hill

Dear Reader will be gone in four years. Then other dealers will replace the fascist corporations who sunk themselves for the glory of fascism.

We have been through this drill but only that time, Clinton had a real law on his side...which the Left quickly lost once BJ was out of the way and the NRA took them all out of office.

The NRA is forever. The commies get jacked up and come and go.


91 posted on 01/09/2013 5:03:37 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Will congress will permit themselves to be neutered?

do you mean again?

92 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:03 PM PST by terycarl
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To: SaraJohnson

BJ Klintoon did a huge amount of moral damage to America in his 8 awful years; 0bummer will do massive financial, societal and Constitutional damage, in his 8 horrendous years.

From my FR-HP:

Our Constitutional Republic was a grand idea;
a noble and fragile experiment
in Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness.
We are now too far down
Marxism-socialism’s “free stuff” slope,
to stop the descent into madness and collapse.
It’s not the fall that will kill us;
it’s the sudden stop at the bottom.

America - a great idea while it lasted.

Dear Lord, I hope I’m wrong.


93 posted on 01/09/2013 5:58:07 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Marcella

Yes, but we aren’t under any moral obligation to obey.


94 posted on 01/10/2013 2:27:00 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: combat_boots

That is a very interesting bit of writing

The Indonesian translation is telling


95 posted on 01/10/2013 4:59:46 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: JihadiKiller

It’s so simple. Obama was guaranteed to push as far as he can after the last election. What will be the result? We just don’t know. It seems certain that some federal courts will rule an EO grabbing guns is unconstitutional. Similarly, some will rule it just fine and dandy. This sets-up a SCOTUS case for 2014 or 2015 — after Blue states have begun gun confiscations. Obama hopes that by then he has packed the court with 80-IQ Sotomayors. There will be no sudden knocks at the door by police confiscating your guns. That never works in the U.S. Instead, the Left will operate as always: a relentless, soul-less chip, chip, chip, until all of your money, strength, and hope is gone. Mass resistance to gun-grabbing? No. Most conservatives are not willing to risk jail/death for their firearms. The next four years will see more attacks upon the Constitution by Obama and much legal and PR push-back from Americans. It won’t be a quick, defining battle.


96 posted on 01/10/2013 7:30:38 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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