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Public university to offer course on ‘sibling incest’
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Posted on 01/09/2013 1:39:16 PM PST by oliverdarcy

A public university plans to offer a course this spring on “sibling incest in theory and literature,” Campus Reform learned on Tuesday.

According to the University of Missouri’s official description, the class will “examine the deployment of erotic desire, love, and sympathy as political, economic, and textual strategies, and analyze the gender dynamics involved in such deployment.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: academicbias; belongsinbloggers; bloggerlovessister; blogpimp; cultureofcorruption; denialaintariver; ewwwww; gaybloggerwantshits; incest; notnews; pervertedblogger; public; sexpositiveagenda; university

1 posted on 01/09/2013 1:39:27 PM PST by oliverdarcy
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To: oliverdarcy

Now it’s normalizing incest? Anita Bryant wasn’t just right, she was a Prophet!


2 posted on 01/09/2013 1:45:40 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: oliverdarcy

Exactly what job does this course prepare someone for?


3 posted on 01/09/2013 1:47:13 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: oliverdarcy

There might be nothing wrong with this. Mythologies are chockablock full of incest, as is plenty of great literature. The problem is they’ll teach it just like everything else, which is to say idiotically and as a thin veneering for leftist politics.

They could teach about the “gender dynamics” of particle physics if they wanted to, and it’d be no different. “Incest” is merely something to catch the students’ interest as they scan what class to sign up for.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 1:48:41 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: MeganC

Not necessarily. It isn’t usually happily portrayed in the classics, and more often it’s between non-humans. My guess is they’ll focus on rape and general oppression of women. Maybe throw in a line or two about how gays are less likely to rape their sisters.

They’ll almost certainly present it as political protest against whatever’s in power, and so on. But as just another form of pleasuring yourself? Probably not. Rape will trump rebellion, bank on it.


5 posted on 01/09/2013 1:53:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“Exactly what job does this course prepare someone for?”

...Occupy Wall Streeter


6 posted on 01/09/2013 1:53:37 PM PST by albie
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To: oliverdarcy

Another newly discovered sexual orientation to be included in the new civil rights movement, soon to be followed by bestiality and necrophilia.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 1:54:14 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Government.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 1:54:19 PM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: oliverdarcy; wagglebee

The sex positive agenda munches on using public tax dollars as usual.


9 posted on 01/09/2013 1:54:19 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: oliverdarcy

And the classrooms will be filled with sleaze college guys in tan trenchcoats with pockets full of candy.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 1:55:41 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: oliverdarcy
Well that does it! I need to go to the eye doctor. I could have sworn I just read...sibling incest in theory and literature snip the class will “examine the deployment of erotic desire, love, and sympathy as political, economic, and textual strategies, and analyze the gender dynamics involved in such deployment.” not enough booze on the planet to digest this one.
11 posted on 01/09/2013 1:56:45 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: oliverdarcy

I really think it’s time for the science/engineering group to break from all universities and start their own colleges.

That way, titles such “PhD and Professor” and other terms normally associated with true intellect will not be wrongly appropriated by members of the university “we wouldn’t have any jobs at all were it not for tenure” group.

And Clown Group is truly what they have all become.


12 posted on 01/09/2013 1:57:26 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Liberal education is not job training. It is to teach you how to be a gentleman (or freeman; liber = free). Not that college education has always been compleyely divirced from training professionals, most obviously it is where doctors and lawyers go. But it is mot vocational school.

Not that this course won’t help you to be cultured or educated in any but the basest sense. It’s just that if what you’re interested in is banking on knowledge, don’t study the humanities. Get a job. Be an apprentice. Go to another sort of school.


13 posted on 01/09/2013 1:58:11 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: oliverdarcy; Morgana

not a surprise that incest and pedophilia have to be normalized so perverts can have sex with their own kids

this is another help for the homo recruitment movement

liberturdians will be on THEIR side


14 posted on 01/09/2013 2:00:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: oliverdarcy

University of West Virginia?...................


15 posted on 01/09/2013 2:01:46 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: oliverdarcy

Are they inviting victims of child abuse as guest speakers?


16 posted on 01/09/2013 2:06:49 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Red Badger

At WVU the course is titled ‘Animal Husbandry’.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 2:09:09 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: oliverdarcy

18 posted on 01/09/2013 2:10:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: oliverdarcy

With liberals, it will no doubt be a How-To course.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 2:11:35 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Exactly what job does this course prepare someone for?

Government work, most likely Department of Education.

20 posted on 01/09/2013 2:15:07 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Just another Joe; darrellmaurina; fruit loop; missouri4bush; kindredspirit; StarCMC; ...

Please ping your lists and call your state representatives. There is no reason for the taxpayer to support an endorsement of perverted behaviors that are (still) against (what passes for) “the law.”


21 posted on 01/09/2013 2:15:34 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: Albion Wilde

Those are some really sick bast#$ds at that university. Cut all funding to ANY college who teaches such crap. Time to take a hold of this country!


22 posted on 01/09/2013 2:26:03 PM PST by DaveA37
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To: Tublecane

You are making a good point. The mythological and literary impact of this theme is evident - it is even found in the story of Abraham and Sarah. In 17th and 18th century French novels, they were very fond of the story of a young lady and gentleman who meet, fall in love, then find out they are a long lost brother and sister. They then flee away and live in some remote place.

When I first saw this thread, I was going to put in a post saying:

“And what’s wrong with that? Signed, Lord Byron.”


23 posted on 01/09/2013 2:28:50 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: oliverdarcy

As much as we blame the colleges for these courses, they are not the REAL problem. The real problem is the parents that PAY to send their kids to those colleges, co-sign for loans, and then look the other way when their kids tell them to “Back Off!!”.

I suspect half of the FReeper parents out there are like that. Why? Simple - they want their kids to get that college degree and NOTHING is more important. So if the kid wants to take Art History, then fine, the kid takes Art History. Is the degree productive? Of course not, but it is still better than nothing (in an academic sense), in that the kid likely can now read, which is more than can be said for today’s high school graduates.

But the bottom-line is that the ONLY reason that colleges get away with this crap (and their high tuition) is because of parents that enable it.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 2:31:56 PM PST by BobL
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To: Joe 6-pack

“At WVU the course is titled ‘Animal Husbandry’.”

My God, that’s even worse - promoting bestiality. How far must this go. The next thing you know there will be a play about a woman falling in love with her horse!


25 posted on 01/09/2013 2:34:34 PM PST by BobL
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Exactly what job does this course prepare someone for?

i think this class is crap... however, i don't think higher education should solely be about preparing one for a specific job... at least that is not the kind of education i want for my boys... okay--my two cents...

26 posted on 01/09/2013 2:36:33 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Tublecane
Liberal education is not job training.

hear, hear! you and i believe the same...

27 posted on 01/09/2013 2:41:36 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
It will doubtless be a useless course full of literary critical jargon like "the gendered body", one more example of the decline of the academy. Your question, however, betrays the misconception that universities are trade schools or polytechnics, the point of which is to prepare people for jobs rather than to provide them with an education.

Long, long before the left began its long march through the institutions, ruining most of the American university outside of science and engineering department, John Alexander Smith, the Professor of Moral Philosophy at Oxford prefaced a two year lecture course with a remark the core of which is often misattributed to Churchill or Macmillan (both of whom may well have quoted it):

Gentlemen, you are now about to embark on a course of studies that (will) form a noble adventure…Let me make this clear to you. ..nothing that you will learn in the course of your studies will be of the slightest possible use to you in after life – save only this – that if you work hard and intelligently, you should be able to detect when a man is talking rot, and that, in my view, is the main, if not the sole purpose of education.
The problem with courses of the sort described (leaving aside the possibility that this one will seek to normalize incest) is not that they do not prepare students for jobs, but that they are antithetical to the purpose of education Smith suggested: rather than teaching students how to detect rot, they teach them to talk rot.
28 posted on 01/09/2013 2:48:02 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: latina4dubya

How you going to ask mom and dad for money for that class?


29 posted on 01/09/2013 3:04:05 PM PST by reefdiver
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To: oliverdarcy

Now I see why they joined the SEC.


30 posted on 01/09/2013 3:06:14 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: reefdiver

Easy. Their intent is for a student to ask their dad and dad or mom and mom for it.


31 posted on 01/09/2013 3:09:07 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: oliverdarcy

Mr. Darcy, is that really you!

Pass the smelling salts.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 3:12:23 PM PST by miserare
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“Exactly what job does this course prepare someone for?”

1. University Professor.
2. Activist.
3. Community Organizer.
4. Community Leader.
5. Council Member.
6. Professional Student.


33 posted on 01/09/2013 3:18:27 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: oliverdarcy

In case anybody is wondering, the photo in post 18 is of that freak, Angelina Jolie, and her brother.

She and her ex-husband, Billy Bob Thrornton, use to wear vials of each others blood on a chain around their necks, by the way.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 3:34:06 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: oliverdarcy; Diamond; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Just another Joe
I knew I recognized Dr. Engelstein’s name from somewhere! She weighed in on the Todd Akin “legitimate rape” issue in an article last year in the Columbia Tribune. I'm pinging this to a member of Todd Akin’s church with the request that it be forwarded to him for his information. I'm also pinging Wagglebee and Little Jeremiah for the Moral Absolutes ping list and justanotherjoe for the Missouri ping list.

I do think we need to know more before jumping to conclusions. This might be a legitimate course, but questions do need to be asked.

Prof. Engelstein’s focus appears to be German history and sociology prior to World War II. I could easily imagine an entirely appropriate course on the Bohemian collapse of basic morality that happened in that era and helped create the moral revulsion that caused support for the rise of authoritarianism. I could also imagine a course on incest from a law enforcement perspective, or a course on how, with the breakdown of the extended family unit due to urbanization, the term “incest” came to be limited to parental or sibling relationships, not cousin relationships.

We need to make sure we've got the right target before firing, but this does not look good. Let's make sure the right questions get asked.
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Here are links to some academic websites on Dr. Engelstein:

http://lssp.missouri.edu/leadership
http://grs.missouri.edu/people/engelstein.html
http://darwindays.missouri.edu/committee.php?id=stefani_engelstein

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The article is off the Tribune website, but since nothing is ever **COMPLETELY** off the internet, here's the cache:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RbaP5Cby048J:www.columbiatribune.com/comments/cr/73/121801/+&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Idea behind Akin’s rape comment has ancient roots
By RUDI KELLER
Wednesday, August 22, 2012

U.S. Rep. Todd Akin’s explanation of how a woman's body prevents pregnancy during rape has been roundly condemned as false, but as the controversy has unfolded, he has revealed that his source for the idea is a doctor who also has advised Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

The idea might have its roots in ideas that were widely held from about 300 B.C. until the Age of Enlightenment, which is dated to have begun about 1785, said Stefani Engelstein, director of the Life Sciences & Society Program at the University of Missouri.

“From at least 200 or 300 B.C. through the Enlightenment, people thought both partners needed to come to orgasm and release something that would form the offspring,” Engelstein said.

A woman would not orgasm during a rape, and that made pregnancy impossible under that set of ideas, she said. If a woman became pregnant, it was interpreted as she was probably lying, she said.

“Blaming the victim was always a component of the theory that women needed to experience pleasure to conceive,” Engelstein said. “It allowed people to claim that women were deceptive because their bodies told one story and they themselves another and that women in general were also more lascivious than they might claim to be.”

35 posted on 01/09/2013 4:03:18 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: GeronL
not a surprise that incest and pedophilia have to be normalized so perverts can have sex with their own kids
After four more years of this chit I cannot imagine what people will be doing with their animals on a public street.

But I congratulate you on noting how freedom of pedophiliacs and from the taboo of sex with your own children combines to fit someone's twisted agenda. Rush noted today how he'd been questioned for simply mentioning an article on pedophiles as a "legitmate" interest group. Sigh.

36 posted on 01/09/2013 5:11:42 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54

Dr Judith Reisman has been warning of this for years. MANY YEARS . Read her books. She exposed Masters and Johnson research as perverse. She is a dynamic, fearless speaker. A priceless resource.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 5:22:25 PM PST by codder too
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To: darrellmaurina; Second Amendment First; 1stMarylandRegiment; 47carollann; A Citizen Reporter; ...
Missouri ping

Low volume ping list

FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.

I believe I agree with Darrell here.
This could be a legitimate course - BUT - It needs to be looked at very closely.

38 posted on 01/09/2013 5:23:28 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: darrellmaurina; Second Amendment First; 1stMarylandRegiment; 47carollann; A Citizen Reporter; ...
Missouri ping

Low volume ping list

FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.

I believe I agree with Darrell here.
This could be a legitimate course - BUT - It needs to be looked at very closely.

39 posted on 01/09/2013 5:24:38 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: darrellmaurina; Second Amendment First; 1stMarylandRegiment; 47carollann; A Citizen Reporter; ...
Missouri ping

Low volume ping list

FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.

I believe I agree with Darrell here.
This could be a legitimate course - BUT - It needs to be looked at very closely.

40 posted on 01/09/2013 5:25:33 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

Dadgumit, I don’t know why these Missouri FReeper pings are double posting.


41 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:53 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Progov

Some silly overreaction on this thread. If this was a course about ‘Murder in Literature’ would people claim it was normalizing murder? Sibling incest is a recurring literary theme in Western Culture and can certainly be studied.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 5:50:33 PM PST by Borges
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To: codder too

Thanks for the info - sometimes I need book learning and sometimes just walking downtown looking around is an education in itself.

Let me tell you brother, we are on the road to hell - that from a lapsed Catholic. ;-(


43 posted on 01/09/2013 6:27:59 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Da Coyote
I really think it’s time for the science/engineering group to break from all universities and start their own colleges.

"Back in the day", I went to UMR. It could go back to being the School of Mines and Metallurgy.

44 posted on 01/09/2013 6:42:42 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Da Coyote

“I really think it’s time for the science/engineering group to break from all universities and start their own colleges.”

Olin College in Needham,MA (a fairly new school) is a great one.

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45 posted on 01/09/2013 6:47:36 PM PST by Mears
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To: tacticalogic; Mears; Da Coyote; Tublecane; latina4dubya
44 posted on Wed Jan 09 2013 20:42:42 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by tacticalogic: “’Back in the day’, I went to UMR. It could go back to being the School of Mines and Metallurgy.”

I'm guessing you already know that what was once the University of Missouri at Rolla is now known as “Missouri University of Science and Technology.” I live a half-hour away from Rolla.

12 posted on Wed Jan 09 2013 15:57:26 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Da Coyote: “I really think it’s time for the science/engineering group to break from all universities and start their own colleges. That way, titles such ‘PhD and Professor’ and other terms normally associated with true intellect will not be wrongly appropriated by members of the university ‘we wouldn’t have any jobs at all were it not for tenure’ group. And Clown Group is truly what they have all become.”

On the broader issue being raised of technical versus liberal arts training, let's not forget that many of the Founding Fathers were highly educated men and many of them had an education in what we would today call “liberal arts.”

I personally think conservative professors at conservative colleges need to give up on trying to redeem the term “liberal arts” — I understand its etymology, but it's gone, just like “gay” or “comrade” — and come up with a new term such as “Foundational Principles of Classical Western Civilization” which avoids unnecessary misunderstandings within conservative circles while making clear to liberals what is being taught, and why.

There is no way we would have our Constitution today without having highly educated men in the Continental Congress, the Constitutional Convention, and many of the state legislatures who understood the history of Greece, Rome, British common law, and (at that time) nearly a millennium and a half of Christian civilization in Europe.

I totally agree that our professors of history, government, English, sociology, and other non-technological fields have gotten seriously off-track, but teaching people the history of Western Civilization is not a two-day process.

I also totally agree we need good engineering schools. But the last thing we want is a government filled with highly skilled engineers who think every problem in the world can be solved with a calculator or a laptop computer. That's great for building bridges, but not for building a government. Do we really want lots of engineers who know how to build things but don't ask the “why” questions of whether the thing being built should be built? I suspect there are a lot of victims of eminent domain who lost their private property to have something built on it because some city council somewhere didn't understand the important principle that private property is only to be taken for public purposes, and those public purposes are historically **VERY** limited, regardless of what the abuses our Supreme Court now allows.

The proper solution is to get a lot more private conservative colleges on a model of Hillsdale, and their equivalents in the evangelical Protestant and traditional Roman Catholic college world.

46 posted on 01/10/2013 11:07:00 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
a liberal arts education is my goal for my sons... it's been our goal since day one--all along preparing them for a liberal arts college education... it will benefit them for a lifetime of thinking and learning... they will truly be free men because they will be free thinkers... the educations of Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Thomas Aquinas and Bonaventure are my motivators...

whether they become engineers, sailors, ranchers or professors--a liberal arts education will help them in their quests to become fully human... most of our Founding Fathers were educated in the classics, and yet were also ranchers, surveyors, scientists, mathematicians, military men, inventors... i think they are examples of what it is to be human to the fullest... i want that for my boys...

47 posted on 01/10/2013 1:13:11 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: oliverdarcy

The people from Missouri need to be made aware of this. The department promoting this is half filled with homos, the genitally mutilated, and assorted sickos. It makes them all feel good to think in their mind that there are worse degenerates than themselves. The course is also designed to introduce students to the ideas. Collectively, this is a department filled with nothing more then sex offenders. Let them all be registered.


48 posted on 01/11/2013 6:04:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: oliverdarcy

Hey now, just because you’re divorced doesn’t mean you’re not still cousins...


49 posted on 01/11/2013 6:12:49 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: Just another Joe

The dept is filled with homos, lesbians, and at least one genitally mutilated, aka transgender. Several are probably closet same sex pedophiles.


50 posted on 01/11/2013 6:14:06 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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