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Missteps and setbacks impacting gun ban momentum as gun owners start to advance
Examiner ^ | David Codrea

Posted on 01/09/2013 3:49:21 PM PST by philetus

n spite of Vice President Joe Biden’s threat in this morning’s gun grab task force meeting that “executive actions” are on the way, the legitimacy and survivability of such a move is by no means assured, as the gun ban juggernaut, reanimated following Sandy Hook, has encountered some unforeseen bumps in the road that have the potential of halting it in its tracks with no place to go that isn’t blocked.

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1 posted on 01/09/2013 3:49:24 PM PST by philetus
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To: philetus

If this has already been posted sorry. It didn’t come up in search.


2 posted on 01/09/2013 3:50:53 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: philetus

A sign of gun owners responding in backlash.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 3:51:38 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: carlo3b

Ping- read piece at link..


4 posted on 01/09/2013 3:52:49 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Biggirl

This is how it goes when you try to pass laws in the heat of the moment. When large blocs of opposition crop up instantly, it scares them. It should.


5 posted on 01/09/2013 3:56:19 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: philetus

Start by repealing the idiotic portions of the NFA ‘34 and GCA ‘68.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 3:56:58 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Starting with the “sporting” clause.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 3:58:09 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Paladin2

I’d repeal them both, in entirety. “Shall not be infringed.”


8 posted on 01/09/2013 4:04:10 PM PST by dinodino
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To: philetus
Stockman’s legislation, currently referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, is now posted on the Library of Congress THOMAS legislative database, and has one co-sponsor at its introduction, Rep. Paul C. Broun of Georgia. (Go to the THOMAS link and select Stockman from the drop-down “Browse Bills by Sponsor” menu and select the “H.R. 35” link for all information, including the text of the bill.)

Good article.
He has the right idea - gun owners must stop cringing in the corner and go on offense, and insist that people be allowed to defend themselves, regardless where they happen to be.
Gun free zones" are just stupid - and any thinking person will agree.

I saw that bill in my search of gun-related registration and I'll be urging my Congress-crittter to support it.

9 posted on 01/09/2013 4:04:43 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: philetus

I am not advocating action of any sort but as a practical person I have to wonder if the statists have thought this all through. The answer’s ‘No’ of course but it does reveal their pattern of thought as exemplified by withholding of tax, freezing of assets, no-fly lists and so forth. Bureaucratic tyranny comes (too) easy to them.

But this is a horse of an entirely different color and they seem determined to pick a fight with the wrong people at the wrong time and with too many of them.

Is this REALLY the issue they want to keep at the fore? Victory and defeat would not be marked by a gloating press conference or a smug editorial in a newspaper, and it would not involve enforcement by usury. This involves the pursuit and seizure of real, tangible things of value, the ownership of which just happen to be protected by a specific section of the Bill of Rights. And, oh by the way, they aren’t candlesticks or toothbrushes. They are firearms. It doesn’t take an Alex Jones or G. Gordon Liddy to have an entirely necessary conversation about posse comitatus in the context of whatever outrage Joe Biden et al attempt to foist on their fellow citizens.


10 posted on 01/09/2013 4:04:56 PM PST by relictele
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To: philetus
2014 and 2016, Dems lose all gains. All 3 branches of govt, fed and state level turn red.

Even if all gun legislation fails, it is too late.

11 posted on 01/09/2013 4:07:11 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: philetus

http://www.examiner.com/article/missteps-and-setbacks-impacting-gun-ban-momentum-as-gun-owners-start-to-advance


12 posted on 01/09/2013 4:07:22 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Biggirl
“A sign of gun owners responding in backlash.”

Too bad more people didn't respond before this a-hole was elected and reelected!

13 posted on 01/09/2013 4:08:04 PM PST by kcvl
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To: relictele

See the thread about larry klayman sueing them under the
laws about commitiee advice to the president.

They formed this group with Biden and met the next day
when they should have provided notice and made notes
of the meeting open to the public.

Obama plays fast and loose with the rules, he must be
stopped.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 4:10:43 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kcvl

Well, Principle didn’t matter for a lot of people. In fact, We were told that it was the problem. That and ‘purity’.

I guess principles do matter afterall now that so many people in DC lack any.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 4:13:58 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Exactly!

I didn’t care for Romney but he was much better than this little wannabe dictator!


16 posted on 01/09/2013 4:17:13 PM PST by kcvl
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Hey slow Joe, come and try to get my ammo. I’ll send it your way - one at a time. 300 meters is nothing for me to hit a human sized target center of mass.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 4:17:13 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: philetus

A massive Pro-Gun rally in DC would be a giant step.


18 posted on 01/09/2013 4:21:22 PM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: Arrowhead1952; All

This is an excellent article, and well worth reading in full.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 4:23:31 PM PST by marktwain
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To: philetus

Trust me on this:

The White House is getting ABSOLUTELY FLOODED by phone calls from Democrats in the House and Senate. The DO NOT WANT anything that looks like gun control. They know they are DEAD MEAT (politically, FBI) if anything gets instituted. They are back to being hated lobbyists, with their career in Congress OVER in 2014.

The bottom line is that any Dem that didn’t win by a 30+ point margin will be scared stool-less if they get on the wrong end of gun control. They know this, and they know this very well. They are NOT idiots.

What will happen is that the White House will have to back down from its talk, for the 2014 election will be the biggest WIPE-OUT of Democrats in history, if they get on the wrong side of gun control. The White House wants the House of Reps back - and they know FULL WELL that goal is HISTORY if they push gun control. For that reason they WILL back down - they have much bigger plans for this country than getting background checks at gun shows.

Gun control is a SETTLED ISSUE in this country as there are simply too many gun owners at this point for almost any politician to go against them.


20 posted on 01/09/2013 4:32:56 PM PST by BobL
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To: philetus
Gun control is not as popular as 0bamugabe and his commie buddys think.

Dems/libs have been making a steady push to limit our right to own guns and reduce the number of guns in private hands for decades now. How has that been working out for them in the last two decades?

If the lefties keep pushing gun control this way in another two decades one out of two Americans may be gun owners instead of one out of three.

MOLON LAVE!


21 posted on 01/09/2013 4:35:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: philetus

Great article. I love the agression. Why should we cower in the corner when we have the advantage? Will be sending these recommendations and a few other tidbits to my rep, Aaron Schock, who, I am proud to say, is not only 100% NRA-rated, but was out just a few days after Sandy Hook with the same kind of in-your-face push-back this author demonstrates. And if the conduct of the task force is illegal, I wonder what the remedy is? Something to ask Rep. Schock about. Don’t know if he’s aware of the issue.


22 posted on 01/09/2013 4:40:42 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Paladin2

“Start by repealing the idiotic portions of the NFA ‘34 and GCA ‘68.”

Absolutely, FRiend.


23 posted on 01/09/2013 4:41:28 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Paladin2

The entirety of both bills is idiotic. Both should be repealed in full.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 4:51:01 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: philetus

Where is ANYONE asking about the thousands of ASSAULT weapons deliberately supplied by this very administration to Mexican drug cartels not to mention military weapons running through Benghazi (probably without Biden style background checks)....God help us.


25 posted on 01/09/2013 4:55:53 PM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: wastedyears; Paladin2

I demand that the unConstitional Gun Control Acts of 1934, 1968 and 1986 be fully repealed. “Shall not be infringed” is a Constitutional mandate. Does this nation have a rule of law or not?


26 posted on 01/09/2013 4:59:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Yes... the few liberals that I know and do NOT associate with are all pissed at obama... about their smaller paychecks and two are gun owners... and both wish that they had not voted for him... I laughed in their faces and said, “I tried to tell you”... both said , “I know”.

LLS

27 posted on 01/09/2013 5:01:23 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: BobL

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ar-talk/221809-any-word-hill-new-bill.html

First, welcome to the forum.

Second, let me say what I’ve been saying to many people who are going all “chicken little” about an AWB—CHILL OUT!

I work in DC for a lobby firm and before that I spent 2 years working as a staffer on Capitol Hill for now retired Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and still have many contacts on the Hill. I’m also very close friends with several NRA-ILA lobbyists, including the head of their federal affairs division, who is a friend of mine so I have first hand knowledge of what I speak.

While we should all be politically active and aware, the realistic odds of a new ban passing this Congress is unlikely IMPO. Obama couldn’t get one passed in ‘09 when the Dems controlled both houses of congress with super-majorities. I can’t conceive of a scenario where the GOP House majority —especially the Tea Party elements of it— would go along and pass this nonsense. My contacts are all telling me that there is ZERO appetite in the House to take up any AWB.

Remember, just because a bill is introduced doesn’t mean it goes anywhere. There are anywhere between 8-10K bills that get introduced every Congress (which is 2 yrs long) and the vast majority of them die in the bowls of a committee somewhere and that is where I predict the AWB bills will end up. Even in the Senate, there are enough GOP senators still there to filibuster and block any bill that gets brought up there.

So again, we should all be active, writing our reps and paying attention, but let’s not get overcome by fear, remain rational and grounded in reality.


28 posted on 01/09/2013 5:04:41 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: philetus
..."there have been concerns expressed that a compromise of some sort might be in the works, particularly if only NRA and industry representatives attend the “stakeholder” meeting, and especially if no record of the proceedings, negotiations and potential concessions is kept. That Congress, and not just ostensibly “pro-gun” representatives, but the soft, squishy middle, will be too spooked to just oppose all “gun control” proposals and feel compelled to offer up something, lest they suffer the wrath of manipulated constituencies, has been a subject of concern among some gun rights leaders, resulting in speculation that either an expansion of mental health disabilities or caving on private sales might be offered up to take the heat off the hardware.

That, of course, would be foolish and divisive, and any “leader” proposing such an intolerable compromise would correctly be perceived as a sell-out by a growing army of gun owner activists who are quickly replacing their natural initial fears with a readiness to fight. They have shown little tolerance thus far for industry members who have abandoned them in this time of need and withdrawn from the field due to posturing before the real battle has even started, and words like “Quisling” are freely and contemptuously thrown about in gun activist forums, along with commitments to boycott those perceived as turncoats, or simply as save-their-own-skin cowards."

Like Hitler, Dear Leader seeks first a "Munich Agreement" before beginning an all out war effort to impose tyranny.

Munich Agreement

The Munich Agreement was a settlement permitting Nazi Germany's annexation of Czechoslovakia's areas along the country's borders mainly inhabited by ethnic Germans for which a new territorial designation "Sudetenland" was coined. The agreement was negotiated at a conference held in Munich, Germany, among the major powers of Europe without the presence of Czechoslovakia. Today, it is widely regarded as a failed act of appeasement toward Germany.

Dear Leader invites participants that will give his actions to follow the appearance of credibility and legitimacy. Nothing could be further from the truth as Czechoslovakia would attest then and ALL with the inalienable right to life and the defense thereof will attest now. A committee can not take away that which is endowed all by the Creator!

29 posted on 01/09/2013 5:16:33 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: grobdriver
"gun owners must stop cringing in the corner and go on offense"

My pledge is to contact my antigun Congresswoman daily. I will throw everything I have at her until she gets the message. Today's rant was a push for her to support H.R.35 the Safe Schools Act of 2013. We all need to hit our Reps daily and overwhelm their inboxes. The theme must be on target...NO TO GUN CONTROL!!

30 posted on 01/09/2013 5:17:23 PM PST by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: TornadoAlley3
2014 and 2016, Dems lose all gains. All 3 branches of govt, fed and state level turn red.

Interestingly, state levels are as bright red as they have ever been in history. Republicans even made gains this past November in state legislatures, I believe.

31 posted on 01/09/2013 5:19:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: BobL

“What will happen is that the White House will have to back down from its talk, for the 2014 election will be the biggest WIPE-OUT of Democrats in history,...”

That is why Hussein will do it by executive order - can’t blame Democrats since they will have no hand in it and Hussein doesn’t care anyway since he’s on his way out. He WILL do it by executive order.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 5:20:02 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
2014 and 2016, Dems lose all gains.

The primary reasons the rats lost the House for the first time in 40 years back in 1994 was because of their "gun control" legislation, as well as their massive 1993 tax hike, and the House banking scandal. So far, we have rat wanting more taxes and rats wanting "gun control" AGAIN. I am liking where this is going. The biggest difference between then and now is that the rats have successfuly grown their voting base of moochers bigger than ever.

33 posted on 01/09/2013 5:25:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LibLieSlayer

when someone says they plan on taking my guns and are exploring using an executive order to do it I take them at their word, as only an insame person or tyrant would contemplate such a thing much less talk about it.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 5:25:10 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Lancey Howard

In solid blue states too? I did not know that. Good for Chicago.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 5:25:21 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXkl9YVoHo

DiFi would ban all guns if she had the votes.

36 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:07 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Yep, Chicago is so red you can see the red in the streets and on the sidewalks.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 5:28:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LibLieSlayer

You know that many people that voted for obama? I know two people (an ex-daughter-in-law and one of my idiot son’s present girlfriend) who are very liberal and like obama but they never got around to registering vote. Of course we don’t have Voter ID in Mississippi so if they know someone’s address and have an expectation that they will not vote ( such as they are dead ) they can just show up give them a name and vote for them (the ZOMBIE vote) I don’t know if they did that but there would be nothing to stop them.


38 posted on 01/09/2013 5:29:10 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: Lancey Howard
“The biggest difference between then and now is that the rats have successfuly grown their voting base of moochers bigger than ever.”

And those moochers want to keep their guns. Dems are toast.

39 posted on 01/09/2013 5:29:42 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Marcella

“That is why Hussein will do it by executive order - can’t blame Democrats since they will have no hand in it and Hussein doesn’t care anyway since he’s on his way out. He WILL do it by executive order.”

Not really. First, there will be attempts to override the EOs, and in the House that will FORCE the Dems to vote on this stuff. In the Senate it will be ugly too...with Reid trying to prevent a vote, but people screaming. It will not be pretty, for them.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 5:38:53 PM PST by BobL
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To: philetus

I’ve heard rumors that the response to gun grabbers will be targeted and surgical. Has anyone else heard this?


41 posted on 01/09/2013 6:04:03 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Lancey Howard

We didn’t have the internet to work with back in 1993-94 either. Talk radio and that was essentially it.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 6:09:25 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: philetus

Libs pass laws creating gun free zones, then blame lawful gun owners & NRA when it doesn’t work. Turn it around & put the blame on them.


43 posted on 01/09/2013 6:17:59 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: philetus
It's hard to believe anyone who owns a gun would vote for Obama, but since he won the election and since we are told he won it decisively, there must be a bunch of such folks. So we have the following conundrum, 88% of the households in the USA own guns and 51% of the people voted for Obama. I just can't make this work in my mind.
44 posted on 01/09/2013 7:00:42 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: kcvl
"Too bad more people didn't respond before this a-hole was elected and reelected!"

The roll call votes of each and every single politician, name by name, Republican and Democrat, Senate and House, Assembly of every state with gun control bills, will be adequately revealed and repeated. There will be no successful distraction, bait and switch with empty repeal promises.


45 posted on 01/09/2013 7:03:39 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Paladin2
Start by repealing the idiotic portions of the NFA ‘34 and GCA ‘68.

I am at a loss as to know what parts of either of those two misbegotten unconstitutional congressional brain-farts aren't idiotic.

46 posted on 01/09/2013 7:06:05 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“... the realistic odds of a new ban passing this Congress is unlikely IMPO....”

Who said anything about Congress? This EMERGENCY is too DIRE, too CRITICAL to wait for congress. The ENTIRE country is in an uproar over all of these school shootings - I saw it on ABCNBCCBSALJEZERA. Dear Leader must stop the guns NOW! I mean - they already held a panel discussion on it - that should be enough. (Heck - Congress never reads any of the bills they vote on anyway!)


47 posted on 01/09/2013 7:10:45 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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48 posted on 01/09/2013 7:14:04 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: rolling_stone

With obama... we are dealing directly with the powers of satan.

LLS


49 posted on 01/10/2013 3:15:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Yeah... I know that bitch well... sister of satan.

LLS


50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:16:57 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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