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MILLER: White House goes after guns
The Washington Times ^ | 8 January, 2013 | Emily Miller

Posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:20 PM PST by marktwain

The White House just realized it had to at least pretend to listen to America’s 100 million gun owners. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. invited a representative from the National Rifle Association (NRA) to attend a White House meeting with anti-gun groups scheduled to take place Thursday.

Up to now, gun owners have been left out of President Obama's task force seeking “solutions” to gun violence by the end of the month. The simultaneous high-profile media blitz is meant to ready the public for radical limits on the Second Amendment.

New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg appears to be calling the shots. The billionaire is exploiting the second anniversary of the shooting of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords with a new TV advertisement running in 20 markets where there have been mass shootings, including Tucson, Ariz.; Roanoke, Va.; Denver; and Milwaukee, along with Washington, D.C.

It features the mother of a 9-year-old girl killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School saying, “I have one question for our political leaders. When will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby?” Hizzoner’s “Demand a Plan” initiative intends to impose government background checks on private sales, ban guns that have certain cosmetic features and outlaw “high-capacity” magazines.

Ms. Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, announced Tuesday they have started “Americans for Responsible Solutions” to raise money to fight gun-rights groups. “We saw from the NRA leadership’s defiant and unsympathetic response to the Newtown, Conn., massacre that winning even the most common-sense reforms will require a fight,” the couple wrote in a USA Today op-ed.

They were not specific regarding what laws they will be pushing, but they hinted at a shared agenda with Mr. Bloomberg by suggesting the need to do something about “weapons designed for the battlefield”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment
Where are all those people who told us that President Obama was not interested in taking guns from the people?

They should all be apologizing about now.

The number of guns that Americans own that were not "designed for the battlefield" is a minority.

Single shots: Designed for the battlefield

Bolt actions: Designed for the battlefield

Lever actions: Designed for the battlefield

Semi-autos: Designed for the battle field

There are a few that were not used in combat by the U.S. military... let me think... Oh, yeah, the Browning double auto! and... Holland and Holland double barreled elephant rifles... and there must be some more/S

1 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:26 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LshCv0SAXE


2 posted on 01/09/2013 5:30:06 PM PST by skeeter
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To: marktwain

Actually the elephant rifles were used in WW I.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 5:30:20 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: marktwain
The Second Amendment is NOT about Duck Hunting !

4 posted on 01/09/2013 5:31:41 PM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: marktwain

I think I remember someone saying “Out of my cold dead hands!” Sounds good to me.


5 posted on 01/09/2013 5:35:00 PM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: marktwain

***Lever actions: Designed for the battlefield ****

For those not aware of it, Lever actions were used by some troops of the Union in the Civil War, and by the Turks against the Russians in the seige of Plevna.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Plevna

“On 11 September the Russians and Romanians made a large-scale assault on Plevna. The Ottoman forces were dug in and equipped with Krupp-manufactured steel breech-loading artillery and American-manufactured Winchester repeaters[1] and Peabody-Martini rifles. For three hours they poured murderous fire into the waves of advancing Russians..”

So you can see why California originally wanted to ban lever actions in their “assault rifle” ban.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 5:35:13 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: marktwain

IMPEACH OBAMA NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!


7 posted on 01/09/2013 5:39:00 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: marktwain
I'm going to go against the tide and say that I actually think the new gun crusade is the best thing that has happened to conservatives in years. The democrats have totally misread public opinion (calls to congress are running 9 to 1 against) and seriously overreached on gun control and are going to pay for it politically. I know people that aren't interested in politics that are mad as hell over this, and ready to ride the democrats out on a rail. After getting destroying in 1994, the democrats put on a pro-gun (or at least gun neutral) mask for 18 years. They fooled a lot of gun owners into believing they really had seen the light and guns didn't even register in 2008 or 2012. Well in three weeks they have manged to destroy every bridge they party had made with gun owners and not only that, they went so far toward gun control so fast that it was obvious that they never had any regard for 2nd amendment to begin with and it was all a sham.

I may be wrong, but I think they have done fatal damage to any chance of ever taking back the house for the next fifty years. The simple fact of the matter is, they CAN NOT take back the house without rural red state districts and no gun owner is ever going to be fooled again by a democrat claiming to be pro-gun.

Thank you for taking off the mask democrats and showing your true gun grabbing selves, we won't be fooled again...

8 posted on 01/09/2013 5:39:28 PM PST by apillar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
***Lever actions: Designed for the battlefield ****

The Spencer Rifle or Obama's favorite president Abraham Lincoln's rifle.

9 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: marktwain

I have a rather interesting book I bought back in 1968.
HOW TO CONVERT MILITARY RIFLES published by Williams Gun sight company.

It shows the “evil” military rifle and below it shows how the “evil” rifle is converted into a “good” rifle.

How do you do it? Remove the stock, grind off the bayonet lug, bend the bolt, blue, put nice pretty stock on rifle, drill for scope and Voala! A rifle that won’t crawl off the gun rack and go about looking for people to kill!


10 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:43 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Uri’el-2012

the 2nd ammendment is about INDIVIDUAL Liberty.

It’s about putting a 100 lb., 70 year old woman on equal footing as the 300 lb. rapist.

Why do all the gun grabbers side with murderers and rapists and not little old ladies? (Feel free to use that line dumb-ass Boehner)


11 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:55 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

yeah libs have seen reruns of “the rifleman” and crapped their pants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc


12 posted on 01/09/2013 5:41:55 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: skeeter
Someone should ask Obama and Biden (Larry and Moe) if they have ever read the Second Amendment and ask them WHY the Second Amendment was added to the Constitution at the INSISTENCE of the framers....

Have a shovel handy for more BS than you can shovel.

Remember, Obama has already told Putin that our Constitution is DEAD !!!! (explicatives removed)

13 posted on 01/09/2013 5:42:15 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: apillar

Only if we escape from this without losing freedom. I am not going to sacrifice individual freedom for political power.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 5:42:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: marktwain

Yea, right about now, those who refused to vote for Romney have to bear some responsibility for this crisis. Let this be a lesson to all: If we ever get a chance to have a free election, we MUST hang together. We must stop voter fraud and we must vote for the Republican nominee.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 5:42:42 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: mosaicwolf

>>I think I remember someone saying “Out of my cold dead hands!” Sounds good to me.<<

The concept goes back thousands of years (see my tag)...


16 posted on 01/09/2013 5:43:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: marktwain

I have a rather interesting book I bought back in 1968.
HOW TO CONVERT MILITARY RIFLES published by Williams Gun sight company.

It shows the “evil” military rifle and below it shows how the “evil” rifle is converted into a “good” rifle.

How do you do it? Remove the stock, grind off the bayonet lug, bend the bolt, blue, put nice pretty stock on rifle, drill for scope and Voala! A rifle that won’t crawl off the gun rack and go about looking for people to kill!

Wonder how soon Obama will be coming for my 1897 7MM Remington Rolling Block!


17 posted on 01/09/2013 5:43:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: marktwain

We don’t have a gun problem, we have a society problem


18 posted on 01/09/2013 5:48:40 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The Russians also had a Winchester for a while... the Model 1895 in military “musket” configuration, chambering the 7.62x54R.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 5:49:03 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain

Gabby Gifford holding an AR in the middle east.

http://www.gilacourier.com/?p=6181


20 posted on 01/09/2013 5:49:17 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: marktwain
They can take away the guns, but they sure as hell won’t want to go up against what will replace them. Necessity is the mother of invention, and the most monstrous of weapons are hatched in times of strife. Take away the means of defending one’s self against treachery and tyranny, and you too can lay among the graves of the germans, soviets, chinese, and all of those who capitulated to despots and dictators throughout history. If these two-bit dictators want a piece of the US, they will pay for it dearly, and fail.
21 posted on 01/09/2013 5:57:02 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: marktwain
They can take away the guns, but they sure as hell won’t want to go up against what will replace them. Necessity is the mother of invention, and the most monstrous of weapons are hatched in times of strife. Take away the means of defending one’s self against treachery and tyranny, and you too can lay among the graves of the germans, soviets, chinese, and all of those who capitulated to despots and dictators throughout history. If these two-bit dictators want a piece of the US, they will pay for it dearly, and fail.
22 posted on 01/09/2013 5:57:59 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: JouleZ

That looks an awful lot like an AK variant to me. Did you perhaps go to the Columbia School of Journalism? :-)


23 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:00 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“We must stop voter fraud and we must vote for the Republican nominee.”

Which pubbies are going to stop this? Looking for a stand-out here.


24 posted on 01/09/2013 5:59:53 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: marktwain

“shall not be infringed”. Period.

Chicago, the home town of Obamugabe and Rahm, LOST IN THE SUPREME COURT, IIRC.

I think the assclown has picked a losing fight here.


25 posted on 01/09/2013 6:00:09 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: apillar
The democrats have totally misread public opinion (calls to congress are running 9 to 1 against) and seriously overreached on gun control and are going to pay for it politically.

The democrats totally misread public opinion and seriously overreached on ObamaCare and paid for it politically. As a result, they lost the House and lost seats in the Senate. Still, ObamaCare is now the law of the land, and our freedom is restricted by one more large step. Until such time as decent Americans push back and actually repeal unconstitutional laws whenever we can, the far left will continue to push, regardless of the political cost to them or the human cost to individual Americans who are harmed by their policies.

26 posted on 01/09/2013 6:02:23 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: freedumb2003

Over my dead body comes from John 10:1-21. In short: The good shepherd guards the sheep and will lay down his life for them.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 6:03:37 PM PST by encm(ss)
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To: APatientMan
It may be up to the gun owners themselves to stop this. If Obama issues an EO, is there anything that can be done politically? I don't know but I know that if we had a President Romney we would not be in this fix.

I am afraid for my country and all of us.

28 posted on 01/09/2013 6:05:22 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Why can’t we count on Romney to lead the way right now?


29 posted on 01/09/2013 6:09:56 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: marktwain

Who is Chris Rodia and how does/do he/his compatriots figure in this?


30 posted on 01/09/2013 6:16:54 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: APatientMan
Romney is nothing but a common ordinary citizen. How could he do anything about this?

Republicans cannot pass any legislation, they can prevent some but with this tyrant of a president, don't worry, he'll use every method available to do whatever he wants.

31 posted on 01/09/2013 6:17:04 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: marktwain

Bloomberg is an anal wart.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 6:18:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I didn’t write the article. I just linked the article. As you can tell, I don’t know an AK from an AR so maybe I should have been a reporter instead of a nurse. haha


33 posted on 01/09/2013 6:20:35 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Romney is nothing but a common ordinary citizen. How could he do anything about this? “

Romney was Presidential Timber two months ago. I’m not trying to be disagreeable. I just think this situation points out how screwed we really are. We’re on our own. Mitt was vying to be our Leader in November. Now we’re facing a real battle and he’s silent. That’s no Leader - at least to me. I’m not happy about it or trying to win the internets with my comment. Just taking it all in and thinking - “Yup”.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 6:24:19 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: APatientMan

What do you expect Romney to do? He has no authority to do anything. He has no more authority than you or I.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 6:35:34 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: marktwain

36 posted on 01/09/2013 6:38:27 PM PST by Prospero
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Romney has no better access to media than you or I? He has no better chance of stepping into the spotlight than you or I?

C’mon. I’m not happy about it either but let’s be honest about it. He could make waves that you and I cannot make. Is he a Conservative Leader two months out from competing for “The Man”, or not? Did he mean it or not?


37 posted on 01/09/2013 6:41:24 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: encm(ss)

>>Over my dead body comes from John 10:1-21. In short: The good shepherd guards the sheep and will lay down his life for them.
<<

Wow, great info. I think your reference predates “The 300” by 700 years or so.

Anyone who has read John knows he (Apostle John) was no shrinking violet.

Thank God for his example.


38 posted on 01/09/2013 6:41:54 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Russia contracted with Winchester for their 1895 model in 7.62x54R for WWI.


39 posted on 01/09/2013 6:45:54 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“I don’t know but I know that if we had a President Romney we would not be in this fix.”

Actually, Romney signed an assault weapons ban...so, yes, we probably would.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 6:50:29 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: APatientMan; Conservativegreatgrandma
Romney has no better access to media than you or I? He has no better chance of stepping into the spotlight than you or I? C’mon. I’m not happy about it either but let’s be honest about it. He could make waves that you and I cannot make. Is he a Conservative Leader two months out from competing for “The Man”, or not? Did he mean it or not?

Yeah let's be honest.

Yes Romney won't now speak out against this.

Now back to Granny's original point. Romney would not have started this.

41 posted on 01/09/2013 7:11:06 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

And that’s a great point if you want to keep reliving yesterday’s fight. How about today?


42 posted on 01/09/2013 7:18:37 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: marktwain
I lost any respect for Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly after I saw an interview in which Kelly said that they were still waiting for an apology from Sarah Palin for the shooting and Giffords agreed.

The nut job that did the shooting was a LEFT WINGER whose favorite books were Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto.

43 posted on 01/09/2013 7:21:53 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: FreeReign

And Granny’s original point was multifaceted. A main part being that we must vote for the pubbie nominee. I asked which pubbies were going to stop this. Can you name one?


44 posted on 01/09/2013 7:29:01 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: rolling_stone
THE RIFLEMAN - Rifleman's Rifle Video Demonstration
45 posted on 01/09/2013 7:47:18 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: apillar

We all were certain that people were fed up before the election. Look how that turned out. A lot of idiots, including a few million “true conservatives” in one way or another elected this traitor. I believe that was our last hope to turn the tide, which will now sweep us all away.


46 posted on 01/09/2013 8:34:57 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: marktwain

Yep - my 1911 .45 was designed for the battlefield yet it only has room for 7 rounds in the mag...


47 posted on 01/10/2013 3:22:39 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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