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The Gun Debate: Gun owners warn new laws would hurt ability to fight crime
Fox News ^ | January 09, 2013 | William La Jeunesse

Posted on 01/10/2013 6:36:37 AM PST by Olog-hai

As Congress prepares to debate new bills aimed at curbing gun violence, many gun owners fear Washington regulations will actually limit their ability to stop crime.

“The best empirical research on the matter finds that, where gun ownership levels are highest, in fact, homicide rates are far lower,” said University of Texas at Dallas criminologist Tomislav Kovandzic. …

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., proposes banning military-style assault weapons, though more than 5 million AK-47s and AR-15s are already in circulation, and the low-caliber rounds they fire are less deadly than those in many handguns.

Among state and federal prison inmates convicted of using a firearm, less than 2 percent used a military-style semiautomatic. The most popular crime guns, .38 revolvers and 9-mm. handguns, are not expected to be on lawmakers’ list of banned weapons.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newtown; nra; sandyhook; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/10/2013 6:36:45 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Powerful article from a Russian

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/


2 posted on 01/10/2013 6:43:43 AM PST by rocketmag
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To: Olog-hai

Recall the booking photo email from the Chicago PD that went around a couple of years ago? (The cop that sent it was fired.) All the dozens of scumbags were wearing Obama t-shirts. Criminals are reliable Democrat votes. The Democrat section of our government does not want any of those voters inconvenienced or killed.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 6:43:47 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Olog-hai
The more terror in the streets the more dependent upon them we are for protection.

All heil Dear LEader!!!

4 posted on 01/10/2013 6:43:54 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Olog-hai
Anyone question now why the idiot in our White House has recently armed all federal agents with an enormous amounts of weapons and ammo? Has anyone now any questions as to why they needed all those weapons and ammunition?

They know there'll be some big problems pretty soon with the citizens of this country.

This is far beyond a conspiracy.

5 posted on 01/10/2013 6:45:15 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Olog-hai

Gun control ia like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 6:53:07 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Olog-hai

***though more than 5 million AK-47s and AR-15s are already in circulation,****

More AKs and ARs in public hands in thirty years than 30-30- Winchester lever actions in 110 years.

***and the low-caliber rounds they fire are less deadly than those in many handguns. ***

After the shootings at Stockton School yard, the news media tried to show how evil and deadly the AK was, so they shot a watermelon. It did not explode. They tried and tried, and the melons would not explode.

They then used a different firearm with a special bullet designed to blow apart and made the melon explode.

So, on the nightly news we saw an AK fired at a melon, then a cut to the exploding melon hit with a different round, and cries to ban them.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 6:54:26 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Olog-hai

***The most popular crime guns, .38 revolvers and 9-mm. handguns, are not expected to be on lawmakers’ list of banned weapons. …***

Didn’t stop them from demanding bans on these weapons!

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Medgar Evers, shot with a 5 shot 1917 bolt action Enfield rifle.

Martin Luther King, shot with a 4 shot Remington 760 pump action Gamemaster rifle.

Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.

Howard Johnsons shooter killed nine, wounded thirteen with a 4 shot RUGER .44 mag Deerslayer rifle.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban them.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 6:57:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: rocketmag
More powerful poster from 1919 Russia. "CITIZENS! Turn in your weapons!"


9 posted on 01/10/2013 7:06:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Olog-hai
It's not about Gun Control, it's about Control.
It's not about Health Care, it's about Control.
It's not about Food Safety, it's about Control.

See the pattern?


10 posted on 01/10/2013 7:15:13 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The whole idea in the minds of Leftwingtards is that "bullets spray out of guns".

We all know better, but there is a basis for that belief in exactly one historic firearm.

The earliest UZI submachineguns were quite inaccurate ~ Wiki says 50 meters was about it ~ and I've been told by folks who needed them and who fired those earliest weapons that it was more like 5 feet.

A gentlemen or lady in a tank or other track vehicle, or another gentlemen "clearing a trench" (as Wiki's counsel put it) probably preferred a higher rate of fire of moderately erratic bullets than ten thousand yard precision!

Odds are good that just about the only real on the ground warrior types many top end Democrat leaders have ever met were previously in the IDF. This would be particularly true of the New York contingent.

So, yeah, the one weapon with any familiarity at all to our enemy, kinda' sprays.

Just keep that in mind, and correct their misperception about every other firearm on the planet and that should disarm their arguments in their own minds.

11 posted on 01/10/2013 8:04:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The whole idea in the minds of Leftwingtards is that "bullets spray out of guns".

Yes, they have this notion from watching old western movies that if everyone have guns, there will be shootouts with "bullets flying everywhere".
The reality of a regular old guy with a handgun for defense is that he is very aware of consequences, probably has only one magazine with him, and will therefore take very careful aim and only fire once or twice until the perp is down.
He has no firepower to waste, so he won't.

Basically, the left don't have a good case so they have to use hyperbole to make one.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 8:45:48 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
So, on the nightly news we saw an AK fired at a melon, then a cut to the exploding melon hit with a different round, and cries to ban them.

Great shades of exploding gas tanks! You'd think they would learn about manufacturing "proof", but I guess you'd be wrong.

13 posted on 01/10/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: BitWielder1
That's not quite right ~ the top leadership has no idea what guns really do, or why they do it ~ and they don't want to know. They use the information grandpa's buddy from Israel passed on to them around the table after dinner ~ that's all it is.

Fur shur the colleges they attended didn't have folks like Dr. Sutton, who'd been an OSS guy in WWII and who could invite Leon Uris to speak and he'd do that, and Cornelius Ryan, and others ~ this UZI thing was always a question because in those days it'd earned a good reputation as a close quarters firearm, and history had never before seen Jews with Machineguns so what's that all about.

One of the speakers said it was designed to be as easy as possible for untrained men, women and children to fire ~ and that's just an endorsement never to be forgotten.

For the children!

14 posted on 01/10/2013 10:56:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai
It's interesting how mass shootings have served to further the government agenda of gun control. Well this is against the second Amendment! Read Bradlee Dean's article: Mass Shootings: Who Started the "Fires"?
15 posted on 01/12/2013 2:42:12 PM PST by Ezbieta12
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