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Noting Army flap, Marine Corps orders its spouses clubs to allow same-sex members
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Posted on 01/10/2013 8:35:36 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Noting Army flap, Marine Corps orders its spouses clubs to allow same-sex members

By Bill Briggs, NBC News contributor

Marine Corps leaders have directed their legal teams to alert spouses clubs at all Marine bases to begin allowing same-sex spouses as members if those social groups want to continue operating on Marine installations, Marine officials confirmed to NBC News Wednesday evening.

In an all-hands memo to legal offices across the branch, the Marine commandant's Staff Judge Advocate warned against discrimination based on sexual orientation, and he specifically mentioned a controversial decision made last month by the officers' spouses club at the Army's Fort Bragg to deny access to the same-sex spouse of a female Army lieutenant.

NBC News reported Dec. 14 that Ashley Broadway, the newlywed wife of Lt. Col. Heather Mack, was blocked from joining the spouses club at Fort Bragg, N.C., sparking accusations from a national military spouses organization that Broadway was being blackballed only because she is a lesbian.

The Marine memo, issued Tuesday, described the Fort Bragg club’s stance as having “caused quite a stir” and added, “We do not want a story like this developing in our backyard,” confirmed Capt. Eric Flanagan, a Marine Corps spokesman.

“The order was pretty much using (the Fort Bragg events) as an example to clarify our policy,” Flanagan said. “We stated that the policy is to be non-discriminatory.

“We don’t control what (the spouses clubs) do. But they get support from the Marine Corps so that they can hold their meetings on base or at Department of Defense facilities. So, in order to do that, they do have to follow Marine Corp policies,” he added.

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1 posted on 01/10/2013 8:35:40 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

What a surprise.

/s


2 posted on 01/10/2013 8:36:38 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Sub-Driver

Freedom of association is gone too.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 8:38:52 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: Sub-Driver

and when one of them complains that they felt “unwelcome” at the Spouse’s Club, they will have to undergo “diversity” training which none will attend. End of club.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 8:39:08 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sub-Driver
Move to the closest off-base location/and have functions, etc. off base, problem solved. Pandora's jar is opened, time to just face that fact and strategically maneuver around rather than accommodate the sickness.
5 posted on 01/10/2013 8:45:23 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Sub-Driver

“caused quite a stir” aka threatened careers, BTW


6 posted on 01/10/2013 8:47:09 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Sub-Driver

"WHAT THE &*(% ARE YOU JACKWAGONS DOING TO MY BELOVED CORPS???"


7 posted on 01/10/2013 8:51:15 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is so sick beyond words.

Just to see the Marine Corps, one of the institutions I’ve valued so incredibly highly my entire life, succumb and buckling under to such degeneracy, is so beyond the pale. The uniform has been renedered worthless. Defiled.

As for the Marine Judge Advocate, may he and Obama and the vile scum in the military leadership that opened this door, may they all burn in hell.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 8:58:34 AM PST by greene66
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To: greene66

I agree. And I was in the Army.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 9:02:07 AM PST by onedoug
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To: rollo tomasi

yes, exactly. Private parties with invitation only.

Clubs already have seen diminished revenues since the late 80s when the use of alcohol was totally “frowned upon.” And, it is no longer mandatory to belong to a club nor can it be mentioned in one’s annual evaluation. Nor can membership and activity by one’s spouse be mentioned either.

So, since it’s not essential, I say screw ‘em, and let it be one more institution that falls to “modern military ways.”

There are plenty of ways for wives to get together without the club, but what will be greatly impacted is the charity and good will that these groups do for active duty, retirees, injured vets, children, etc. Maybe those same-sex couples can pick up the task and complete it on their own. I don’t think that’s really their goal tho’ so expect this to be another nail in the coffin of our military’s strength. No, not with weapons or intel, but with the emotional support of a strong group of spouses who carry on when they’re deployed, do a lot of charity work, and welcome them back when they return. Guess we’ll just see same-sex couples smooching and hugging since that’s the main focus of this administration. And you’ll see fewer and fewer hetero couples cuz they just won’t wanna deal with this s#!^.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 9:03:16 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Sub-Driver

Either off base, informal or end of club. Period.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 9:03:18 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Sub-Driver

Semper Watching!
*****


12 posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:30 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: greene66

Very easy fix. As soon as a deviant want to join let them. All other members just quit right after that.

I have heard of a diaper club for members with children or expecting mothers. Mostly officers wives belong to these spouses clubs. No big loss if they go away.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:54 AM PST by USAF80
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To: rollo tomasi

Move to the closest off-base location/and have functions, etc. off base, problem solved. Pandora’s jar is opened, time to just face that fact and strategically maneuver around rather than accommodate the sickness.

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I disagree. Problem is NOT solved. The Pentagon will just enact new and stricter measures that will force the Marine Corp to enbrace sodomy.

With all due respect to current and former Marines (and other military personnel) it is nearly time to abandon the military.

Either that or take a stand against the faggotry which - of course - will end your carreer.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 9:13:36 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

You may be FORCED to let them in but don’t have to talk to them.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 9:14:48 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Sub-Driver

This will be interesting. I don’t think DOMA would ‘allow’ the recognition of a same sex ‘spouse’ on a military base. Shrug.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 9:17:05 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Sub-Driver
What is the end game of all this gays in military BS?

IMHO:

1. It was for rapidly expanding and nationalizing gay marriage.
2. Once gay marriage is established as "normal" & co-equal with heterosexual marriage, then ...
3. All public schools will be required to indoctrinate children from K thru 12 (through, for example, something like Virginia's Family Life Education program) that "gay is OK, it's normal, it's natural, they're born that way, try it you'll like it, etc., etc., etc.

4. Utter break down of morality and civilization in America further destroying any hope of maintaining a republic.

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN ALL ALONG!

Doubt me? Have you been listening to Rush yesterday and the day before talking about the effort to mainstream pedophilia? He discusses how homosexuality has been mainstreamed over the past 10 or 20 years and expects the same to be done with pedophilia.


18 posted on 01/10/2013 9:18:13 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Sub-Driver

what red-blooded homosexual man or dyke woman wouldn’t want to spend the afternoon at the O’Club, eating salad and listening to the Colonel’s wives compare dates of rank, gossip, and bully JR Officers’ wives into planning dances and doing volunteer work for the Post aid societies?

Don we now our gay apparel...

indeed


19 posted on 01/10/2013 9:25:48 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Sub-Driver

Big asteroid, up.


20 posted on 01/10/2013 9:31:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Has the new moto become Semper Fag?

My dad must be doing grave spins.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 9:34:03 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I don't care how many situations/places the homos are allowed to be in...they're still not normal and they're still perverts doing perversions.
22 posted on 01/10/2013 9:36:20 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Dad and grandpop are rolling over in their graves.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 9:38:19 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sub-Driver

Maybe the military should just close the clubs and save money. I hear that the officers club don’t offer the same kind of fun that was available before the fake Tailhook “scandal.”


24 posted on 01/10/2013 9:53:25 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"The Pentagon will just enact new and stricter measures that will force the Marine Corp to enbrace sodomy."

That has already been established. The military spouses still have the right to freely associate and form a "Unofficial" Club off-base.
25 posted on 01/10/2013 9:54:06 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Sub-Driver

So........ since 99% of the married couples in the military are hetero, does that mean the lesbians are in a 99% male spouse’s club and the homosexuals are in a 99% female club?


26 posted on 01/10/2013 9:59:28 AM PST by PA BOOKENDS
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To: forgotten man

All clubs are supposed to be self sufficient. This means that they don’t get any defense money but have to generate their own income. They are not supposed to make a profit.

Unless you are overseas the clubs are pretty much dead. Official functions keep them afloat.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 10:05:45 AM PST by USAF80
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To: PA BOOKENDS
That's a good question. I have been to two Spouses Call (working) and there was only one guy there. A Spouses Call is like a Commanders Call where all the unit have to attend to get info, awards, butt chewings, etc.

The majority of military men have a civilian spouses and the majority of military females have military spouses.

The civilians spouses will have a greater need to get together since the military spouses already have a support system in place.

28 posted on 01/10/2013 10:14:28 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Sub-Driver

When I was an Air Force translator, I worked with the other services all the time. We used to tease each other about the superiority of our own branch.

Sorry Marines. You don’t deserve your leadership embarrassing you like this.


29 posted on 01/10/2013 11:08:55 AM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: greene66

No one in the Marine Corps likes this. Everyone from the Comandant down to the the most junior Pvt hates this. But this is now the law of the land and they have to abide by it like it or not. The Marine Judge Advocate had no choice in the matter. That is the price we pay for civillian control of the military. The Marine Corps will continue to uphold it’s standards and remain the most combat effective force at the President’s disposal. I retired as a GySgt in 2007, and my son is a Sgt stationed at Camp Pendleton so I still have a good grasp on what is going on inside my beloved Corps. The Marine Corps will stay the Marine Corps. You can bet your ass 235 years of tradition will not be allowed to go to hell.


30 posted on 01/10/2013 11:15:35 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Exactly right, Gunny Sean. Marines are many things. Obedient to lawful orders is one of them. Don’t like that? Complain to your Congressman, not a Marine.

TC


31 posted on 01/10/2013 1:00:01 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: sean327

Perhaps. And believe me, I appreciate your response. But I’d be lying if I said this hasn’t changed my outlook towards our military. Accepting open faggotry (and embracing the evil), even under orders, I can never give it the high respect I once did. It’s the not the same institution I gave honor to all those years. The uniform is now debased.

As far as the military leadership that sided with that degenerate bastard in the Oval Office in pushing this depravity, I’m just sorry that each and every one of them weren’t felled by an enemy bullet long before rising in the ranks and inflicting this defilement of the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 1:50:34 PM PST by greene66
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To: greene66

Once again, this was shoved down our throats by the CIVILLIAN LEADERSHIP. The Commandant of the Marine Corps came out guns blazing against this. This has nothing to do with Marine Corps leadership. They had to follow the order as it is a LEGAL ORDER. End of story. Harp on the idiots in Congress and the Administration who made this happen, not the Marines who had no choice but to follow the order.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 2:58:02 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

When you change one aspect so basic to human idenity, you change everything. Forcing out of the closet homos into herto social military groups will change the normal Marine human bonding and ethical process. Homos will expect and demand sexual perversion dominance. Sad. Already men are being homosexually raped in the military. With homo sex social dominance, it will get much worse.

Watch and see.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 3:08:28 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Sub-Driver
"...if those social groups want to continue operating on Marine installations..."

Move the meetings off base. End of story.

Even the USMC is now a huge f'n joke.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 4:14:52 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: SaraJohnson

Have you spent any time in the Marine Corps? If you have then you know our culture. If not then I will try to explain it to you.
The Marine Corps is what it is because unlike our sister services we revere our history and traditions. We have a culture that won’t allow us to let those that came before us down. A Marine’s greatest fear is that he may do something to dishonor the Corps. We are a warrior culture on steroids. Marines revel in the fact that we don’t have the biggest budget, or the latest equipment that the Army does. We love living in the field, deploying aboard ship, and deploying to the Worlds biggest shiiteholes. Marines will not allow the homo culture to destroy what the Marines that have come before us have built. The Marine Corps is very good at weeding out those that can’t hack it, and those who fail to uphold our high standards. The Marine Corps will come through this as we always do.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 5:06:10 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Sub-Driver

This doesn’t clarify anything!

I was an FRG leader with the Army. We had a mandate, from the commander, that all of our members had to be card-carrying military DEPENDENTS.

There is a reason for this. Classified information was sometimes shared with our members. Things such as flight times, were not shared with FAMILY members, but only with FRG members.

The FRG also directs it’s members to resources that are only available to servicemembers and their dependents. We cannot help a girlfriend/mother/same-sex partner the way we can help a wife. JAG, ACS, TriCare, etc are not available to non-military dependents. We’re actually hindered by the RULES.

And I knew it was coming.

The day DADT was redacted, I told everyone here on FR that benefits would be demanded within a year.

On the record, I’m predicting that same-sex mates of servicemembers will have ID cards before this administration leaves office.


37 posted on 01/10/2013 5:22:52 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: sean327

You missed the pic of the two fag marines sharing a kiss after deployment. Two males. The one in uniform had his legs wrapped around the other one. Photo op.


38 posted on 01/10/2013 6:19:55 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Marie

I’m plugged in. I’ll keep everyone posted if I see any thing. So far no prancing around where I am.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 6:24:17 PM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

And I know for a fact that that little disgusting display was dealt with swiftly. That Marine will never pull a bullshiite stunt like that again. Not only did that idiot have to answer to his chain of command, but the Marines in his platoon made it known that they were not happy.


40 posted on 01/10/2013 7:05:43 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: greene66

It’s the Brass and the legal departments (definately NOT the Grunts). They’re selling the USMC’s soul to feed the beast. Shameful! To the Brass: Does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell with you boys?!


41 posted on 01/10/2013 10:01:20 PM PST by 444Flyer (Genesis 12:3)
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To: 444Flyer

Any one over light bird is a politiciian anyway. They have to toe the party line or get sent to Alaska to count snowflakes.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 4:47:07 AM PST by USAF80
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A Marine’s greatest fear is that he may do something to dishonor the Corps.

Can you explain to me what is honorable about the UCMJ now permitting homosexual sex and a Marine choosing to engage in such an activity?

43 posted on 01/11/2013 3:12:49 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

What is it about civillian control of the military that you clowns don’t understand? The Marine Corps has no choice but to follow the law. Again, blame this mess on the politicians, not the Marine Corps. When this came down the Commandant came out guns blazing against this. He made his case, the politicians refused to listen. He has no choice but to say aye aye sir and carry out the policy.

I already know what you will reply with next. Your going to say, Then they should resign. That would have been stupid and it would have destroyed the Marine Corps over night.


44 posted on 01/11/2013 5:28:29 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327
I already know what you will reply with next.

You did not answer the questions.

The answers?

Let me give you a clue -do leftist politicians decide what is honorable and as such define an honorable Marine?

God, Country, then maybe leftist politicians as long as the first two are observed primarily.

45 posted on 01/11/2013 6:58:33 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Again, it’s the law and until that law is determined to be unconstitutional the Marine Corps has no choice but to comply. Saying the Mrine Corps has gone to hell is completely ignorant. You have no clue. The Marine Corps will survive because it will continue to hold every Marine to the high standards it has held for the last 235 years.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 7:23:54 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: DBeers

Again, it’s the law and until that law is determined to be unconstitutional the Marine Corps has no choice but to comply. Saying the Mrine Corps has gone to hell is completely ignorant. You have no clue. The Marine Corps will survive because it will continue to hold every Marine to the high standards it has held for the last 235 years.


47 posted on 01/11/2013 7:24:18 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: DBeers

Again, it’s the law and until that law is determined to be unconstitutional the Marine Corps has no choice but to comply. Saying the Mrine Corps has gone to hell is completely ignorant. You have no clue. The Marine Corps will survive because it will continue to hold every Marine to the high standards it has held for the last 235 years.


48 posted on 01/11/2013 7:24:34 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327
I see much tap dancing coming from you in regards to simple questions that remain unanswered by you.

Is your omission by design?

I have yet to question the honor of the Marine Corps YET you keep defending it?

Red Herring...

Just answer the questions Marine.

49 posted on 01/11/2013 7:45:04 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: USAF80
Any one over light bird is a politiciian anyway. They have to toe the party line or get sent to Alaska to count snowflakes.

And cowards all for lying down and taking this from Obama and his merry band of America hating Sodomites without so much as a whimper.

50 posted on 01/12/2013 10:49:07 PM PST by 444Flyer
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