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Registration Will Lead to Confiscation
The Blaze ^ | January 9, 2013 | Brian Lilley

Posted on 01/10/2013 10:37:19 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

According to The Washington Post, the Obama administration is considering a “national database” of all firearms in the United States to “track the movement and sale of weapons.” If such a database comes to fruition the database will lead to confiscation.

Last year Canada ended its national long gun registry, a national database of every rifle and shotgun in the country that was supposed to help police track the movement of and sale of weapons. When it was introduced twenty years ago critics said the registration of firearms would eventually lead to confiscation, a criticism dismissed as ridiculous, yet that’s what happened and more right up until its dismantling.

As recently as last winter law abiding gun owners who had complied with the registry were having their rifles confiscated. In late 2011 hundreds if not thousands of people who had legally purchased the Armi Jager AP80, a .22 calibre variant of the AK47, were informed that their rifles had been deemed illegal and must be surrendered .

“You are required by law to return your firearm registration certificates, without delay, either by mail to the address shown in the top left corner of this page or in person to a peace officer or firearms officers. You have 30 days to deliver your firearms to a peace officer, firearms officer of Chief Firearms Officer or to otherwise lawfully dispose of them,” read the letter sent by the Canadian Firearms Centre.

The reason for the need to surrender what had been legal firearms was simply cosmetic, the AP 80 looked too similar to the AK47. There were no interchangeable parts between the two rifles, the rifles used vastly different ammunition, had vastly different uses but they looked the same.

What was more worrisome was that the decision to reclassify what for years had been a legal rifle was made by a bureaucrat not by elected officials. There was no debate, no vote just a decision by a bureaucrat who felt the AP80, legally owned for decades, was too dangerous to be privately owned by Canadians.

Of course confiscation of firearms could just be the start, confiscation of homes and cars could also come to the USA.

Former Marine Joshua Boston recently wrote a scathing response to Senator Diane Feinstein’s gun control proposals saying that he would not register his guns. That could cost him everything.

Bruce Montague, a gunsmith from Dryden, Ontario faces the possibility of having his home seized for failure to register his firearms. Montague’s decision not to register was purely political, he wanted to challenge the constitutionality of the gun registry. When his constitutional challenge failed and Montague was convicted the government of Ontario moved to seize his home under its proceeds of crime legislation. They were treating a paperwork criminal as if he were a drug lord, the kind of person the law was intended to prosecute.

If the United States follows Canada’s lead in registering all guns into a national database then the confiscation of rifles and shotguns won’t be far behind.

Brian Lilley is the host of Byline on Sun News Network


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bigbrother; confiscation; database; guncontrol; gunregistry; obama; registration; rkba

1 posted on 01/10/2013 10:37:30 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: bang_list

BANG!


2 posted on 01/10/2013 10:40:17 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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3 posted on 01/10/2013 10:41:29 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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4 posted on 01/10/2013 10:42:04 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m not going to “Register” shit with the Federal Government, period. They are going to have to confiscate all the seller-held Forms 4473 first and then sift through to see what I have. And, by that time, they will have been sold. Sold to a private citizen whose Identification I inspected but did not record. All I’ll have is a signed bill of sale with a date. All legal.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 10:43:53 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Please let all of your ,or any active military friends and family know that can have a FREE one-year membership to NRA.

NRA offers troops free one-year membership

By Karen Jowers - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Aug 14, 2007 17:07:55 EDT

Active-duty military personnel are eligible for a free one-year membership in the National Rifle Association.

A one-year membership typically costs $35. This offer will run indefinitely, said Zach Price, workplace giving coordinator for the NRA Office of Advancement. It is also open to Guard and Reserve members who have been called to active duty.

Service members can sign up for the free year’s membership online.

Benefits of membership include a subscription to an NRA magazine, $5,000 worth of accidental death and dismemberment coverage, and $1,000 of ArmsCare coverage for firearms, air guns, bows and arrows against theft, accidental loss and damage, as well as other benefits.

“NRA wants to emphasize the partnership between itself and the military,” Price said. “There’s a lot of overlap with the military in shooting sports, training classes, and a lot of present NRA members are current or former military.” The NRA’s ties with the military reach back to 1871 when the association was founded by two Union army veterans.

“We want to give a big thank-you to our active-duty troops,” Price said.

As with all similar association memberships, he said, members are asked if they want to renew at the end of their membership, as paid members.

http://nralifeofduty.tv/#/home

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/08/military_nra_070814w/


6 posted on 01/10/2013 10:44:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Any such law would be illegal under one of the provisions signed into law under “Obamacare”.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 10:45:51 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thirty years ago the AP 80 was selling in Shotgun News for peanuts. Looked kinda AK fakey.

In Canuckistan owning one now makes you a dangerous psycho.

Went to Ottawa last year. It’s a foreign country, everything is in French, & their money looks like Slobbovian pezoozas. No need to travel, Americans, you’re already here.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 10:49:10 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Police raid home of mourning husband to confiscate his deceased wife’s pain killers.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865569894/Drug-search-shattered-tender-moment-with-deceased-wife-Vernal-man-says.html?pg=all

Make me wonder if they’ll do this with guns also...


9 posted on 01/10/2013 10:51:29 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Obama cannot do this by executive order. This would require legislation through Congress.

While I do not doubt the radical left and the tyrant Obama want this, I don’t see this happening.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 10:53:02 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: TheRhinelander

As I understand it, that provision forbids the government from using doctors to find out about gun ownership. I don’t think it forbids a database.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 10:57:14 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

then I will become a criminal.... heh it wont be the first time I have walked the fine edge of the law.


12 posted on 01/10/2013 10:59:11 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Obadiah

That assumes that we have a congress that would stop him.

We don’t.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 11:02:45 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You bet’chya!


14 posted on 01/10/2013 11:05:23 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

15 posted on 01/10/2013 11:06:38 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Actually you’re right. My answer for such a thing will be:

“Sorry sir, I lost that rifle in a boating accident a couple of months ago. You’re more than welcome to search the house for it as long as you have a warrant but I can assure you it’s not here. Not happy about it, that rifle cost me a lot of money, sir.”

In the meantime I’m going to be stocking up on Marlin model 60s. They fly under the ban radar and you’ld be amazed at what one can do with ..2 LR hollow points.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 11:09:07 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Obadiah; All

“Obama cannot do this by executive order. This would require legislation through Congress.”

You mean he cannot *legally* do this.

That has not stopped him before. Attorney General Eric Holder refuses to prosecute Black people for voter intimidation. President Obama declares amnesty of illegal residents by executive order. He declares the Senate in recess when it isn’t, so he can appoint who he wants.

The MSM applaud him as a great leader. They want ACTION! on gun control.

Gun Registration is Gun Confiscation:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/gun-registration-is-gun-confiscation.html


17 posted on 01/10/2013 11:09:07 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The thugs in control of the American Sate will not stop because they have acted so far with impunity. There have been no negative consequences to their dismantling of this Constitutional Republic. They act with neither conscience nor fear.

It is up to us to deliver those consequences. No one else will.


18 posted on 01/10/2013 11:10:11 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


19 posted on 01/10/2013 11:12:19 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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20 posted on 01/10/2013 11:14:23 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: LegendHasIt; marktwain
That assumes that we have a congress that would stop him.

Yes, there is that. And, marktwain, your characterization of bloodlust of the corrupt MSM is spot on.

21 posted on 01/10/2013 11:16:24 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Whew!

Nothing Registered, Nothing Confiscated....


22 posted on 01/10/2013 11:16:24 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: dragonblustar
“Police raid home of mourning husband to confiscate his deceased wife’s pain killers.”

I'm in Texas and this is covered by law. My husband died of cancer while at home. The funeral home director was a friend of mine and knew my husband was dying. He kept me informed of his whereabouts so I could call him to come when it happened. When I called him to come, he said he had to inform the police someone had died at home.

The policeman came and immediately said he was sorry he had to intrude. He did have to take the husband's medicines but there was no search - it was all in one place where the registered nurse kept it. I did have registered nurses there 24-7 due to a tube into the husband's stomach. The nurse dealt with the policeman so I wouldn't be bothered at that time. If the nurse had not been there, it would have been okay since the policeman was reverent and kind.

Anyway, any time a person dies at home for any reason, the police have to come if it is Texas. I don't know about other states.

23 posted on 01/10/2013 11:18:24 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dragonblustar

I forgot to cover taking weapons if a person dies at home. If Feinstein’s bill passes, those people who already have assault “looking” weapons that become outlawed, will be registered and on the death of the owner, the gun has to be given to law enforcement, so yes, I think police would take the gun when they came to the house due to the death of the owner.


24 posted on 01/10/2013 11:22:21 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Obadiah; JRandomFreeper
“Obama cannot do this by executive order. This would require legislation through Congress.”

Yes, he can. Executive orders are for the executive branch of the government which Hussein controls. He can write rules and regulations for any of his departments. Any of his agencies dealing with firearms can be issued new orders to have them write regulations that ban certain firearms, certain ammo, certain magazines, and register certain weapons - all in the name of public safety. He IS going to do it within a week if not sooner.

Biden’s committee report comes out next Tuesday and he has already said Eric Holder is working with him and the president to write executive orders. It will be done, no doubt about it.

25 posted on 01/10/2013 11:31:25 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


26 posted on 01/10/2013 11:41:49 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Marcella
I don't care if he holds his breath. I'm not going to comply with any registration or confiscation.

/johnny

27 posted on 01/10/2013 11:54:31 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Obadiah; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Do you mean that you can't see Øbozo trying to implement registration via an executive order directing the ATF to implement registration via (unelected) bureaucratic "regulations"?

I guarantee he will make the attempt...

28 posted on 01/10/2013 12:20:27 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

Then I, and many others, will become criminals in the eyes of a tyrannical government, in which case I am not morally bound to comply.


29 posted on 01/10/2013 12:45:34 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: TXnMA

Then I, and many others, will become criminals in the eyes of a tyrannical government, in which case I am not morally bound to comply.


30 posted on 01/10/2013 12:46:22 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In a way, I hope that they continue with their insanity and try their gun grab, so the ballot box can then decide who gets retired and put out to pasture.

What a great way to take out the trash, flush those rotten, old stinky floaters and pour some chlorine into the tainted DC Koolaide they guzzle by the gallon!!!

If that fact doesn't stop them, then their anti-gun karma will come back around in a different way.

GovCo actions like these will simply teach formerly law abiding, upstanding citizens to learn the revolutionary's David v. Goliath mindset and motivate many to act on it.

I'm sure many have learned a great deal from GovCo's sending them to fight and counter the islamocrazies and "won't be kind" to domestic enemies acting against us and our Constitutionally guaranteed rights

31 posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:28 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Marcella

Obama could write an EO stating that the planet Venus is now the Sun. He can write an EO to state anything, however, it doesn’t mean it will be legal or effective, and ultimately, it will utterly fail.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 12:56:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

“Obama could write an EO stating that the planet Venus is now the Sun. He can write an EO to state anything,”

An EO is not a “statement”. It is directives/orders to his departments to do “x”, to take action to do “x” and they do it.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 1:34:35 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

I know exactly what it is.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 1:47:12 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Marcella

BTW, government officials who have take the oath to defend the Constitution are not suppose to obey unConstitutional orders.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 1:50:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

take = taken


36 posted on 01/10/2013 1:58:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Squawk 8888

Bump!


37 posted on 01/10/2013 6:06:24 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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Thanks fanfan.

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

38 posted on 01/11/2013 1:46:33 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All of my guns have been sold. I dont own a single one, nor do I have any ammo at all.

Its ALL gone.

Canada does not have a 2nd amendment.

Our country does. We have a right to bear arms which shall NOT be infringed.

I see an awful lot of infringement talk. Americans do not need a court , a politician or a policeman to tell them what the 2nd amendment means, and ordinary citizens can enforce the 2nd amendment, because thats their duty.


39 posted on 01/11/2013 5:31:15 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Marcella
An EO is not a “statement”. It is directives/orders to his departments to do “x”, to take action to do “x” and they do it.

Many statutes are written with language which delegates certain authority to particular executive officials, for example the NFA'34 regards as destructive devices various things including firearms with a bore diameter over 0.5" which the Secretary of the Treasury does not deem suitable for hunting or sporting purposes. The President's authority over executive officials gives pretty strong power to direct what "findings" they should make. The reclassification of the Street Sweeper as a destructive device was a consequence of such authority; his Secretary of the Treasury found that such weapons weren't suitable for hunting or sporting purposes (not an unreasonable finding actually, such weapons are far more suitable for groups of attackers that they have urgent business elsewhere), and the pre-existing statute language meant that such weapons were thus "destructive devices". While it's impossible to tell what would happen Obama gave an executive order that directed officials to do things that were patently outside their authority, I doubt many officials would be eager to risk their lives in an effort to uphold such an order. At minimum, I'd expect them to come up with some pretext about bureaucratic requirements.

40 posted on 01/12/2013 10:49:10 AM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

“While it’s impossible to tell what would happen Obama gave an executive order that directed officials to do things that were patently outside their authority, I doubt many officials would be eager to risk their lives in an effort to uphold such an order. At minimum, I’d expect them to come up with some pretext about bureaucratic requirements.”

Hmm, I think they would do whatever he directed them to do because not to would “risk their lives”. I think they would fear him more than fear someone/thing else. He won’t stand for someone to object.


41 posted on 01/12/2013 11:56:59 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Hmm, I think they would do whatever he directed them to do because not to would “risk their lives”.

The BATF agents who attacked Mount Carmel Center weren't attacking David Koresh et al. because they thought he was dangerous, but because they believed he wasn't (I'm unaware of any evidence that any of the dead agents weren't killed by other BATF agents--the BATF certainly fired enough bullets blindly through the thin plywood walls to account for all the casualties). I really don't think agents are going to be very keen to try that type of raid on large numbers of people who might actually resist them. I suspect they'd rather resign first--on the basis of self preservation if not principle.

42 posted on 01/13/2013 8:18:54 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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43 posted on 01/13/2013 8:25:58 PM PST by narses
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44 posted on 01/13/2013 8:26:21 PM PST by narses
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I’m mentally ill and can’t get a gun. How do the mentally ill protect themselves in an economic crash if violence occurs in the streets?


45 posted on 01/13/2013 8:27:20 PM PST by Jmathes
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I’m mentally ill and can’t get a gun. How do the mentally ill protect themselves in an economic crash if violence occurs in the streets?


47 posted on 01/13/2013 8:27:33 PM PST by Jmathes
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