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Glenn Beck’s Recommendation for Defeating Obama Gun Grab (We’ll show them. Fill up the Prisons??)
Vanity | January 10, 2013 | Perseverando

Posted on 01/10/2013 11:06:56 AM PST by Perseverando

Normally, I don’t to the vanity thing, but I think this “Glenn Beck Plan” needs to be Freeper analyzed and dissected.

First let me say, Glenn Beck has done a great service to America and I really appreciate his Tea Party, patriotic events and leadership. I thought his TV program was fantastic. I enjoy listening to his serious radio discussions, but he and the gang get a little too rambunctious and off the wall at times. That said:

Did anyone else hear Beck this morning talking options for dealing with an Obama gun control and possible gun confiscation effort? What am I missing with this plan?

Frankly, Beck makes me a little nervous sometime with some of his rants, and this was one.

I was multitasking, reading FR, checking the market and halfheartedly listening to Beck in the background. At around 11:00 AM EST, Beck and crew are talking about Obama and the gun control gang and he starts talking about what to do if they begin actively confiscating guns. His planned for resistance to tyranny is to overwhelm the legal/prison the system. ??????????

As I understood Beck: If they come for your guns we should let them arrest all of us, and overwhelm the system. I guess he thinks the legal and penal system can’t handle all of us if we do the MLK/Gandhi peaceful resistance technique. Kumbaya!!

Let me walk through what I think Beck was suggesting we do (as I understood him.)

BECK PLAN
The Feds come to the door and ask about your gun possession.
You admit you have them, but they can’t have them. You affirm your 2nd Amendment rights and tell them to arrest you.
We all do this and grind the legal system to a rapid halt. They can’t arrest everyone can they?
Beck says: To resist with force in numbers would guarantee that we lose. .
He also says: To peacefully resist in mass, we win by breaking the system. .

Will this plan somehow ensure that law and order, respect for private property and the Constitution are miraculously re-established?

Let me propose an alternative theory on how this might work out in Realville and why Beck’s scenario fails if firearms owners are foolish enough to try this.

The Feds realize quickly that they can’t fill up all the gulags with all the peaceful gun control resisters. So they change the collection technique.

Flexible Obama Confiscation Plan
Arrive at suspected noncompliant gun owner’s home.
Search warrant in hand, 3 -4 LEO’s question owner on possession.
Law respecting/abiding gun owner admits/denies he has undeclared/unregistered gun & asserts 2nd Amendment rights.
Arrest him, “search & destroy mission” in gun owner’s domicile. Terrorize family.
Collect firearms, ammo, etc. .
Gun owner goes to jail for day or 2 until substantial bail is met. .
Big legal bills for attorney and court date. .
Quick, simple trial for “open & shut” case on illegal possession. .
How about a fine of $5,000 per firearm, suspended sentence. .
Felony criminal conviction on his record. Loss of right to own/possess firearms in future. Loss of voting rights. Loss of certain employment opportunities, etc., etc. .

Finally, no guns, no freedom, no money, no job. Just Obama and his thuggorcracy making the criminals out of law abiding, patriotic American citizens..

Should I have been listening to Beck a little more closely? What am I missing? Do Obama and his thuggocracy all of a sudden begin to play by the rules and respect the rule of law?


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; beck; confiscation; cw2; guncontrol; nra; secondamendment; shtf; threatmatrix; thuggocracy; vanity
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1 posted on 01/10/2013 11:07:00 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Beck’s idea makes sense if you add one component; have a group like the NRA be ready to file a lawsuit against the government for each and every arrest. Use each arrest as a way to challenge the legality of the law. Overwhelm the government with lawsuits against it.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 11:13:06 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Perseverando

In my opinion, they’d make an example of a few ‘regular Joe’s’ as per your analysis (fines, felony conviction, etc.) and publicize with the Obamamedia/Dem spin machine, something they are very good at .... many folks would give up their guns after that. It won’t be a mass confiscation ... they’ll pick some good, decent, mainstream folks and as I said, make horrific examples of them ... “THIS could happen to YOU”.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 11:13:47 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Perseverando

Glenn is essentially saying that there are more gun owners than the justice system can process and imprison. He is saying to overwhlem the system and in a peaceful manner knowing that we have the law on our side.

He is desperately afraid of any sort of violent conflict, because he believes such a conflict favors the side of tyranny.

He may be right on that, but I am not going to go to prison because I obeyed the constitution.

I’m not going to put my fate in the hands of John Roberts.

I’m not going to pay lawyers.

I am simply not going to give in to tyranny. Come Hell or high water, or death.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 11:15:24 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Perseverando

It’s dangerous to only half-listen some times.

Was he doing one of his very sarcastic pieces?

Several times, I’ve thought, “I hope there aren’t any 1st-time listeners out there!” because, as a watcher/listener, I KNOW he’s taking a 180 position to show some absudity.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 11:15:53 AM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: Perseverando

I’m growing weary of Beck’s sanity. The man has gathered millions of dollars and followers, and he’s advocating what might be best for his family given the situation. I’d like to see the ATF agents make it up his driveway past the gate after ringing at the video console. If it were me, I’d never let them past that point. End of story.

Watch the news carefully. The government thugs aren’t stupid and they know that another Waco or Ruby Ridge under this administration’s watch will set off a firestorm of backlash. The Internet media, blogs, etc. were non-existent back in the 1990s. Nowadays EVERYONE has cameras and microphones, and they can be used to defend a person and upload government thuggery to the Internet quicker than those agents can rifle through your belongings.

Also, Beck has plenty of money to afford exorbitant bail. And make no mistake that the government will make bail unaffordable for a majority of Americans.

I’m sorry and sad to say that the only defense against this type of tyranny is an offense against the thugs who try to enforce it. At some point the enforcer numbers will dwindle and no one is going to volunteer to become target practice for a militia of volunteer riflemen.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 11:17:12 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Perseverando

I heard it ....he takes the peaceful resistance thing to an extreme nonsensical level ..it’s almost comical its so absurd ....


7 posted on 01/10/2013 11:18:41 AM PST by thestob
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To: Perseverando

I guess Beck doesn’t go for the Alex Jones/Jesse Ventura bit about the build-up of citizen confinement centers throughout the US. If those guys are right in their view, filling up facilities would be the feds’ last worry.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 11:18:41 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: mnehring

Guess we’d need more than a few folks with a martyr complex with extra time on their hands who have great faith in their ability to reason with their cell mate, Bubba, and convince him of the importance of respecting one’s personal space.</sarc>


9 posted on 01/10/2013 11:20:47 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: FrogMom

Beck was likely being serious. He’s using the Alinsky tactics against them, but sadly he doesn’t realize that overwhelming the system won’t stop them from going through with this. It’s not a scare tactic to which they’d respond.

Interesting to me, because Beck’s always said that the only language these people understand is offense. We’ll need to overwhelm them in numbers to make our final stand. Yes, many of us will die in the process, but so many others will live free for our efforts.

To me, that is the greatest gift I could give my wife and children.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 11:20:59 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Perseverando

I didn’t listen to Beck today. From what you describe it sounds like he is advocating some type of Cloward-Piven type strategy where the system is overwhelmed and implodes.

I see how C-P could work with our economic system, we’re experiencing Obama’s attempt of it now.

But applying it to our justice system seems like a very dangerous proposition. If that’s what Beck is preaching, he needs to back off and think about what he’s saying.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 11:23:15 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: thestob
he takes the peaceful resistance thing to an extreme nonsensical level

What kumbaya crap. I have a better idea.
1. Identify target.
2. Aim
3. Fire
4. Repeat as necessary.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 11:24:18 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: thestob
I heard it ....he takes the peaceful resistance thing to an extreme nonsensical level ..it’s almost comical its so absurd.

So you understood Beck to intentionally being absurd? He wasn't actually advocating peaceful resistance?

That's not the way I took it.

13 posted on 01/10/2013 11:25:47 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: All

and I forgot the best part of his Beck’s peaceful resistance at all costs idea this morning ....

he started into it not 2 minutes after telling a story about a kid having to put his own father on a train to Auschwitz ....


14 posted on 01/10/2013 11:26:52 AM PST by thestob
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To: Perseverando

Lead by example.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 11:27:53 AM PST by RetSignman ("A Republic if you can keep it"....)
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To: Perseverando
Will Beck and Tanya being heading to jail also? Somehow, I am thinking not.

He'll be on air with those two assclown sidekicks of his, making fun of Alex Jones and other people he deems as "whackos".

16 posted on 01/10/2013 11:29:11 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Perseverando

If Beck is serious then his insanity is worse than I had imagined.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 11:29:35 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Perseverando

oh BS ..he was 100% serious ...I listen to him every day and I know when he is doing the absurd thing ....he goes on these MLK, Gandhi rants where peaceful resistance at all costs is the only way to win ....and this is his philosophy and has stated it 100s of times


18 posted on 01/10/2013 11:30:54 AM PST by thestob
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To: svcw

Don’t want to over do it on the Beck bashing today, but maybe he was off his meds?


19 posted on 01/10/2013 11:32:12 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: mnehring

How about demand a trial by jury and make damned sure the jury is aware of nullification?


20 posted on 01/10/2013 11:33:25 AM PST by xvq2er
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To: Perseverando

I agree with your analysis of Beck’s idea. The gummint doesn’t have to imprison you to ruin your life, and that’s really what it’s all about: Ruining people who resist. High fines, lawyer costs, and paying through the nose for probation, in the end you are a felon so no good jobs for the rest of your life.

Beck can sometimes be a major league blowhard, and if he’s suggesting people actually do this, he’s being a dangerous-to-our-health blowhard as well. This is why I quit watching his TV show: I got tired of his constant drumbeat for a stampede of the population.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 11:36:16 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: thestob
Well I just happen to have a somewhat appropriate pic to go along with Glenn's pacifist views.....


22 posted on 01/10/2013 11:36:27 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando
Beck, like his fellow CULT MEMBER Harry Reid CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

Even well known "patriot" freeper mormons have openly admitted here on FR that when Salt Lake orders them to disarm, they will do it.

The new NSA data collection center's location in Tooele Utah should be telling.

Salt Lake will play ball, mormons will disarm when their "prophet" tells them to, and then they will turn on those of us who don't.

23 posted on 01/10/2013 11:36:49 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Perseverando

I don’t think Obama or any of his followers would say, “oh dear! We’re ruining people’s lives and bankrupting the country on this tyrannical path. Maybe we should follow the Constitution.” My guess is that they would celebrate every ruined life, every union prison guard position created, and and every innocent patriot behind bars who got raped by Bubba.


24 posted on 01/10/2013 11:38:27 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rarestia

“...the only defense against this type of tyranny is an offensive against the thugs who try to enforce it.”

LEOs aren’t so stupid as to be unaware of their existing rep as armed revenue collectors and their growing rep as killers of family pets & harassers of those who merely record their actions.

Are they ready to add “jackbooted door smashers” to their public image? Do they wish for the citizenry to regard all LEOs as hostile invaders, wherever they happen to appear?


25 posted on 01/10/2013 11:39:39 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: All

i’m going to post and tell this to everyone I know or bump into.

If you are a well equipped and trained Patriot, Don’t go down with the first wave. Survive to fight another day. Hide, go underground and run.

Take your family, and run to a place that know one knows where you are. You can return to your home and property later.

Nothing is more important than keeping you alive. When they come for you, make sure they get an empty house.

The first wave of grabs will have an acceptable loss of 10 to 1 Enforcement. The plan is a large loss of life to get to you, the Patriot. The second wave has you taken from the equation, and are looking at far better results for their enforcement.

The idea is that they want the first wave of Enforcement to be killed . the vacuum created will filled by TSA and other “Civilian Army, just as powerful and equipped as the regular army”. These people will NOT be the LEO that we currently know. They will be jackbooted thugs.

It is so important for the equipped and trained Patriot to stay alive, to lead the country back to the Constitution, back to proper american government, and to a re-established currency that keeps global currency out of the American picture.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 11:40:16 AM PST by Celerity
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To: SENTINEL

Thanks for the info. I had not picked up on the Mormon sheep being led to the slaughter theme. But I can see how that might be how that could happen.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 11:41:44 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: chris37
Well said. We have a duty as free people, created in the image of God, to resist tyranny by all means.

Furthermore, Beck's plan won't even work. Why would the tyrant's minions even bother to "process" us through today's criminal system?

I came across this quotation from The Gulag Archipelago yesterday.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

28 posted on 01/10/2013 11:43:30 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: MissMagnolia

They won’t stop until there are consequences.


29 posted on 01/10/2013 11:43:44 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: elcid1970

Just listened to the mp3 from his morning show. He was serious about his remarks, basically do what MLK did because the constitution is on your side and it would overwhelm the system.


30 posted on 01/10/2013 11:44:25 AM PST by bigtoona
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To: riri

Are you kidding? He wouldn’t even stand up to defend his wife at a movie viewing in Bryant Park when leftwingers were dumping wine on her. Sorry, but if that’s happening to me, I don’t want a man who will “peacefully resist”. I want one with the guts to stand up for me (and mine would).


31 posted on 01/10/2013 11:44:57 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: bigtoona; All

MLK had the MSM on his side.

We do not. We only have some of the New Media.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 11:46:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: All

here is a page directly from Glenn’s own website asking you to sign a pledge of non-violence ....

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39452/


33 posted on 01/10/2013 11:48:05 AM PST by thestob
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To: chris37

Between Freerepublic and Drudge, I feel we are under seige. Obama and his minions insult and disparage hard working, law abiding citizens every day. They refuse to give on spending, but take more and more. Now all this talk on gun control, gun confiscation, etc. Almost seems that O and his minions are pushing conservative Americans, perhaps hoping to provoke a disaster so they can take the guns and declare martial law. Perhaps this is what Glenn Beck fears. I hope no one falls for this. Although such a situation can be manufactured with a willing media.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 11:50:01 AM PST by samsmom
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To: CatherineofAragon

His turn the other cheek crap leaves me cold. I rarely watch him anymore even though I have GBTV, but when I do and he starts in his that crap, I turn it off.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Martin Tell
I came across this quotation from The Gulag Archipelago yesterday.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Thank you!! That is intense and telling! I think we all need to memorize that and share it with friends and family. I'm saving the quote for future reference.

36 posted on 01/10/2013 11:50:35 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: rarestia; Travis McGee; Chode; Jack Black
#6 Yet again, well said! The Govt doesn't even have to haul anyone off to jail, just simply cuff them and remove all firearms for "investigation." It then becomes YOUR task retain counsel and attempt to go get them back, if they haven't been destroyed already and you get a subjective "fair market value" reimbursement for guns you can no longer legally replace.

Result: you've wasted time, you've expended money, and you have no guns.

37 posted on 01/10/2013 11:55:40 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Martin Tell

No doubt our enemy is provoked by our weakness.

The wolf does not believe that the sheep will fight back.

It is up to the sheep to prove the wolf wrong, or the wolf will be right.

We now live in very dangerous times


38 posted on 01/10/2013 11:58:06 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Beck is an IDIOT!
The Jews didn’t fight back and went to the prisons....Then to the ovens....If the prisons get overcrowded, don’t think for a minute that the NWO wouldn’t do the same.
Go to prison and meanwhile your family become targets by liberals and criminals... When your 9 year old gets raped...The Obamanites will say they deserved it.. Just like the Germans said when the ovens were full...


39 posted on 01/10/2013 12:02:43 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Perseverando
And thank you. This is an excellent summation of the situation we may soon face and what our difficult response must be. And this quotation is genuine - I checked it. There are some bogus ("revised") quotes out there on the subject of resistance to tyranny purporting to have come from George Washington, Ben Franklin, etc. Please check out any quotes before sharing.

We can learn a lot from the Russian experience. There was an excellent article in Pravda the other day urging Americans not to abandon the Second Amendment. It gave as an example the experience of Moscow during the Revolution. There were a considerable number of retired and armed military in the city, and the Communists promised they would be sparred if they did not fight. They stayed on the sidelines and after the fighting was over they were systematically liquidated.

40 posted on 01/10/2013 12:03:26 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: chris37

Strange and dangerous times and more so everyday.

Will have to bail on the conversation for now. (Money to earn and bills to pay.) Guess I’m one of the fortunate few Americans who still has a job for now, in spite of Obamanomics.

Freep On!!


41 posted on 01/10/2013 12:05:15 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

The problem is that once you surrender to the criminal justice system, you can’t ever get out of it.


42 posted on 01/10/2013 12:08:01 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Perseverando

People will simply hide their guns and not give them up.


43 posted on 01/10/2013 12:16:39 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: samsmom

I sense an “angry backlash” is coming.


44 posted on 01/10/2013 12:18:51 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perseverando

On the other hand they could by executive order take you to re-education camps in the Southwest as has been recommended by bill ayers and bernedette dohrn, where 25 to 30 million will be found to be un-educatable and will have to be eliminated. I don’t believe they would have a problem if it were to run 50 to 60 million, except of course the mechanics of killing and disposing on such a large scale.

One thing that bothers me about the democrats anxiety to deprive me of firearms is all the liberals I see wearing che t-shirts and those in the obama administration who go around quoting chairman mao, and those czars who have written books on or otherwise endorse population control. I believe one of the criteria for population control will be those who don’t support them.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 12:20:56 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: riri

Yep, I subscribed to GBTV back at the beginning, but that was about the time he really started to make me sick.


46 posted on 01/10/2013 12:21:25 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Biggirl
People will simply hide their guns and not give them up.

They know this.

Wait until the first 5 or ten people use one of these "illegal" guns to pretect themselves. They will be villianized, jailed and/or bankrupted.financially ruined.

People will have to weigh using the firearm or enduring all that above.

47 posted on 01/10/2013 12:23:04 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Yes, employ the same tactics that the RIAA used against music downloaders.


48 posted on 01/10/2013 12:26:37 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Perseverando
Beck assumes our opponent is honorable and follows the rules.

This assumes facts not in evidence.

To resist with force in numbers would guarantee that we lose. .

The Founding Fathers who went up against the world's Dominant Empire of the time frown upon that conclusion.

49 posted on 01/10/2013 12:26:50 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: chris37

Given the numbers, I think conflict favors law abiding gun owners. Lots of military and police like having their own personal weapons to protect themselves and family.


50 posted on 01/10/2013 12:27:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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