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The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions
Sott.net ^ | January 7, 2013 | Joe Quinn and Niall Bradley

Posted on 01/10/2013 11:55:45 AM PST by Uncle Chip

When 20 children and 6 adults were murdered in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre we, like most other people, were shocked and horrified at what appeared to be an act of senseless brutality. When a person experiences the tragic and untimely loss of a loved one, particularly in unusual or apparently inexplicable circumstances, the initial intense feelings of grief usually give way to a desire to understand HOW and WHY the tragedy occurred, in an effort to make sense of it and achieve some kind of 'closure'. This is a very normal and natural human reaction. We have an innate need to understand the world around us and how things 'work'. In our modern, technological world, most of what we understand about our world and how it works is provided to us by some authority or other. And most of us accept the conclusion of those authorities as being true. In some cases, those explanations are true.

In relation to the Sandy Hook massacre; while the HOW of the attack has been explained, as yet, there seem to be few authoritative answers as to WHY the massacre occurred. That is to say, WHY a lone gunman decided to walk into a school and murder 20 children and 6 adults. At this point, three weeks after the event, it seems that the world will ultimately have to accept the narrative that a lone, disturbed individual murdered those children because he was, well, disturbed. Specifically, it is claimed that Lanza had 'Asperger's Syndrome', yet according to experts, people with this condition do not run a higher risk of killing others or themselves and indeed that they 'rarely harm others'. The 'disturbed individual' answer is, therefore, a rather unsatisfactory one, but it's an answer nonetheless.

But here's a question. What if the explanation provided by authorities about how something happened doesn't make sense in any truly objective way? More to the point, what if you have reasonable cause to suspect that the official version of events may not be accurate? Logically, you'd think that the same desire to make sense of the tragedy and find closure would remain unsatisfied in such a case. But you'd be wrong to think so, because it seems that most people, particularly those affected most directly by a tragedy, will gratefully accept the first plausible official explanation that is offered to them, even if, as in the case of the Sandy Hook massacre, it doesn't really explain WHY the tragedy occurred. The reason that most people react in this way is probably due to the same desire to find closure and 'put it behind them'.

With that in mind, we'd like to state that our previous analyses of the Sandy Hook massacre were in no way motivated by any desire to 'stir up some shit just for the sake of it' (as several individuals suggested). Our motivation was, rather, to satisfy our desire to find a more satisfactory explanation of HOW and WHY the massacre occurred, a desire that really resulted from our inability to simply ignore the outstanding inconsistencies in the official story.

But first however, we'd like to draw your attention to some of the more outrageous and false claims being made about the Sandy Hook massacre.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newtown; sandyhook; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/10/2013 11:55:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Was the AR used in the shooting or was it left in the car?


2 posted on 01/10/2013 11:59:46 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: Sybeck1

It was used...


3 posted on 01/10/2013 12:02:54 PM PST by halo66
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To: Uncle Chip
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun...period.

Now Sandy Hook is begging the police (good guys with guns) to please stick around a bit longer...

...should have thought of that sooner jackasses!

you got baby blood on your hands.

4 posted on 01/10/2013 12:06:27 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Sybeck1

The question that matters to me is was my AR used in the shooting, and the answer is no, it was not.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 12:11:21 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Uncle Chip

OK. If there was no incident at the school on the previous day, then why did he choose this target? He had to load weapons into the car and drive to the school. That’s not heat of the moment behavior. That’s a conscious, deliberate act. And the police arrive and he shoots himself? Why? He suddenly became remorseful?


6 posted on 01/10/2013 12:25:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Uncle Chip

How did the kid get his mother’s guns? (crickets from the press)

Was he under psych care for a potentially violent mental condition ( not “autism”)? (crickets from press)

Was he under influence of any medication prescribed or other? (crickets from press aside from a few inflammatory anti-psych med articles inspired by rumors from nosy unnamned neighor and a fake “uncle”)

the lack of press coverage of the facts of the case, correcting earlier misreporting, has been astounding


7 posted on 01/10/2013 12:25:32 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: halo66; Sybeck1
It was used...

OK. WHICH SHOOTER was carrying the AR-15 ?

8 posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:01 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Joe Brower; neverdem

Newtown parents want police to stay at schools

Email Story Print By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN, AP

NEWTOWN, Conn. — Some parents in Newtown are calling for police to stay at town schools indefinitely, saying the sight of uniformed officers is a comfort to their children in a town reeling from last month’s massacre inside an elementary school.

Excerpt, full story at this link: Newtown parents want police to stay at schools:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130110/US.School.Shooting.Security/

10,000 armed officers are in various schools around the nation.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:11 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Why do you suppose this monster chose to shoot up a school? Could it be because he knew no one would be shooting back?


10 posted on 01/10/2013 12:48:55 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: blueunicorn6

If you listen to the bimbette reporter from Channel 9 News doing her report, she is attributing these rumors to the interview with the closet nurse:

http://youtu.be/-vf2tO5c-L0

How would the closet nurse know anything — she was in the closet for 4 hours while the media misinformation was being propagated.

If someone want to get to the bottom of it they should ask her if she really talked to anybody all day.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 12:55:38 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Sybeck1
Friends are emailing me saying the shooter was found with only hand guns.

Have the police made their findings public yet?

12 posted on 01/10/2013 1:09:08 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: UCANSEE2

I saw youtube videos stating only the pistols were used. That was around the time that it was being said the mom worked at the school.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 1:11:44 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: UCANSEE2

Adam Lanza was the only shooter and he used a AR-15.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 1:17:50 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sybeck1

Another Freeper on one of the threads (can’t remember which one) said they knows one of the first responders that claims there were .223 all over the place around the crime scene. Not sure why all of the mis-reporting of this in the hours and days after. The last I heard was that the shotgun was found in the car...I am suspicious to why the story seems to change so much.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 1:19:05 PM PST by halo66
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To: jmacusa

>Could it be because he knew no one would be shooting back?<

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You think that they will be shooting back from assisted living homes, hospitals and unarmed private homes?

This whole discussion about disarming the American law-abiding citizen is something very sinister.

The people should be deeply disappointed in the entire GOP in that none of them is creating holy hell about it. It just shows what the GOP is made of.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 1:19:11 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Sybeck1

Another Freeper on one of the threads (can’t remember which one) said they knows one of the first responders that claims there were .223 all over the place around the crime scene. Not sure why all of the mis-reporting of this in the hours and days after. The last I heard was that the shotgun was found in the car...I am suspicious to why the story seems to change so much.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 1:20:12 PM PST by halo66
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To: Blackirish
Adam Lanza was the only shooter and he used a AR-15.

And that settles THAT. Blackirish has ruled.
18 posted on 01/10/2013 1:23:07 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Chip
"There is no evidence that the U.S. government is planning to use the Sandy Hook massacre to justify an attempt to ban the private ownership of guns in the USA. In any case, it would be almost impossible to enforce any such laws."

Maybe Mr's Quinn and Bradley didn't have time to interview Joe Biden before rushing to print.

19 posted on 01/10/2013 1:36:07 PM PST by norton
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To: silverleaf
the lack of press coverage of the facts of the case, correcting earlier misreporting, has been astounding

The list of unknowns is at least as long as the list of knowns. That's a bad sign, and the longer that disparity remains, the worse it looks. Where are the facts? Who's been hiding them? Why? On whose authority?

20 posted on 01/10/2013 2:14:20 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Sybeck1
the AR used in the shooting or was it left in the car?

No official police report public yet. We don't know but we did get tons of disinformation.

See this news vid report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpjJ6P-NSQ&feature=player_embedded#t=0s

21 posted on 01/10/2013 2:32:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Uncle Chip

Perhaps this is what the Sandy Hook school should have had in the first place.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/40118366696/awesome-15-year-old-defends-home-from-burglars-with?e3a48460


22 posted on 01/10/2013 2:34:29 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Sybeck1
I saw youtube videos stating only the pistols were used.

Yeah, and if it is on a Youtube video, it just has to be true.

Come on people.

23 posted on 01/10/2013 2:53:59 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Uncle Chip

Was this school equipped with video monitoring? And if so, WHERE IS THE TAPE?

Nowadays, everyone has a video of everything. I find it curious that we have none in this case. It would put a lid on the question about the AR.

Barry’s “people” probably had nothing to do with the original act as some have speculated. I don’t buy into that nonsense, but if you told me they would rush in to re-arrange the crime scene for political reasons, now that’s within the realm of belief.


24 posted on 01/10/2013 2:58:06 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: TexasCajun

“Friends are emailing me saying the shooter was found with only hand guns.

Have the police made their findings public yet?”

As far as that point is concerned, yes. He took the AR-15 with him and that was the only weapon that the victims were shot with. The only one shot with a handgun was Adam Lanza, because that is what he used to commit suicide.


25 posted on 01/10/2013 3:00:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Last Dakotan

Be fair to Sybeck, he wasn’t saying he believed it, he was saying that it came along with the info that the mom worked at the school. Implication being it was all fartgas.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 3:02:20 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Red Steel; Sybeck1

“No official police report public yet.”

We don’t have a final report, but we have official statements to the press (on video, not just a reporter relating second hand), confirming that the AR and only the AR was used in the shootings.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 3:04:15 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Either that or his sister is dating a French Model she found on the internet!

(heeheehee, couldn't resist that one!)

28 posted on 01/10/2013 3:04:46 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Boogieman
He took the AR-15 with him and that was the only weapon that the victims were shot with. The only one shot with a handgun was Adam Lanza, because that is what he used to commit suicide.

...according to Boogieman's understanding of what has been reported.
29 posted on 01/10/2013 3:05:51 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: ConradofMontferrat

“Was this school equipped with video monitoring? And if so, WHERE IS THE TAPE?”

I would assume in police custody, because it would be evidence. These things don’t get released to the public very quickly. Do you know how long it took before we were able to see the surveillance footage from Columbine?


30 posted on 01/10/2013 3:06:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: ConradofMontferrat

What’s the frequency, Kenneth? You’re fading in and out. Over.


31 posted on 01/10/2013 3:07:29 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Boogieman

What I’d like to see it on paper and signed. Not some blabber to the press.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 3:10:56 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Boogieman
“Was this school equipped with video monitoring? And if so, WHERE IS THE TAPE?”

I would assume in police custody...


Boogieman doesn't know and is guessing, like a lot of us, about what has really happened.
33 posted on 01/10/2013 3:10:56 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

No, according to the medical examiner. If you’ve examined the bodies and think that you know better than him, then please enlighten us. And show us your autopsy photos.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 3:10:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Resettozero

“Boogieman doesn’t know and is guessing”

Well, that’s generally implied by the word “assume”, but thanks for pointing that out for the slow kids in class.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 3:12:07 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

That still blabber to the press. We’re still looking for an official report that someone has their John Hancock on it.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 3:13:09 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

“What I’d like to see it on paper and signed. Not some blabber to the press.”

Sure, but investigations take time before they release official reports, so I wouldn’t expect anything like that to be available right now. The best information we have available until then is the official statements.


37 posted on 01/10/2013 3:13:22 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Well, yea, if the AR wasn't used, we'd have a REALLY HARD TIME going after that assault rifle ban Holy Grail.

Fedgov FEARS the AR in the hands of private people. They can live with folks sporting hand guns, (for now.) But an AR? Can't have that, bureauKaRATZ break out in hives just thinking about it.

I smell a really big RATZ running fast and furious away with the truth here. "NEVER let a good crisis go to waste!"

Don't mind me, just cynical. The size and scope of the lies this bunch of criminals has let loose on the country overshadows ANYTHING at all that comes out their filthy pie holes.

Benghazi is high on the list.

Wanna learn the real truth? Keep an eye on Pravda.

38 posted on 01/10/2013 3:16:06 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Boogieman

Their “best information” could be wrong. It’s better to withhold judgment until you get the comprehensive police and signed report.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 3:16:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Resettozero

ROTFLMFAO!

Sorry, that was a post to me, as an add on to post 23 where North Dakota was blasting Sybeck for believing what he saw on UTUBER.

It WAS a little sketchy, but a good inside joke anyway.

BTW, Kenneth knew who’s typewriter had superscript fonts way back in the ‘60’s. That’s why he got bopped on the head!


40 posted on 01/10/2013 3:21:35 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Boogieman
...according to the medical examiner.

Presuming you refer to Medical Examiner Carver, are you certain that his...uh...performance at that...uh...press conference solidifies everything he said into indisputable truth? Are you willing to vouch for his...uh...statements...as statements of fact? I am not. Many "reasonable" FReepers still have unanswered questions about what ME Carver has said which, as in many previous such events, never are answered satisfactorily for all who are interested.
41 posted on 01/10/2013 3:22:11 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Boogieman
Do you know how long it took before we were able to see the surveillance footage from Columbine?

Good point, I'd forgotten about that, but didn't they at least let on they had one? I can't remember. One foot on Alzheimer's, the other on a banana peel, and one's slipping! (don't know which one yet)

42 posted on 01/10/2013 3:25:11 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

I thought there might be an aurora borealis tonight and I was picking up a signal from the past...or future...maybe from a fireman.

Funny how CBS just...dropped...that whole bit of evidence.


43 posted on 01/10/2013 3:27:28 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: ConradofMontferrat; Last Dakotan; Sybeck1

This is where he is getting it. A you tube video of a real network broadcast in which the bimbo reporter gets a lot of stuff wrong but says it so convincingly that people believe her. Watch the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-vf2tO5c-L0

The nurse never saw the killer eye to eye and never said she did but the bimbette says she did and people believed her. The bimbette then goes on to comment on how the nurse felt about the killer son of a kindergarten teacher at the school — wth???.

Does that nurse look stupid enough to not know that Lanza’s mother was not a kindergarten teacher at the school???

There are too many of these mindless bimbos in front of cameras who don’t know what they are talking about.


44 posted on 01/10/2013 3:28:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Standing Wolf
Where are the facts? Who's been hiding them? Why? On whose authority?

The Newtown massacre is an ongoing investigation. The toxicology report probably hasn't even been concluded. Because of pending lawsuits, I doubt you will see a comprehensive report released anytime soon.

Investigators have to check out every rumor and allegation.

45 posted on 01/10/2013 3:28:11 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Resettozero

What a “killjoy!”

If you can’t sit here and speculate and rumormonger, what the hell good is the thread?

Some of the world’s best conspiracy theories have sprung to everlasting life from such frothiness.

FACTS? We DON’T NEED NO STEENKIN FACTS! Just ask Barry and holder and gang. Facts NEVER bothered them, so why should the bother us?


46 posted on 01/10/2013 3:31:54 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Boogieman
...but thanks for pointing that out for the slow kids in class.

No problemo. It's my civic duty to No FReeper Left Behind.
47 posted on 01/10/2013 3:32:27 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Alaska Wolf
Investigators have to check out every rumor and allegation.

I call Malarky on that one. And, besides, at what point MUST the free press stop reporting facts. When any judge says so? Well, not in the America I knew.
48 posted on 01/10/2013 3:39:09 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: ConradofMontferrat
If you can’t sit here and speculate and rumormonger, what the hell good is the thread?

You are correct again; I need to stand up and walk around for a while.
49 posted on 01/10/2013 3:41:27 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Chip
"And the bubbleheaded bleach blond who comes on at 9, can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye, its interesting when people die... give us 'dirty laundry!'

If the top heavy blond says it on TEEEVEEE, it's GOTTA be true, even truer than the Internet and French Models.

If the internet can't lie, then the talking heads on TEEEVEEE, are even MORE believable.

I'll stop now, my cup of sarcasm had done gone and runeth over.

50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:43:11 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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