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U.S. attack submarine strikes vessel in Gulf
Yahoo News/Reuters ^ | 1-10-13 | Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Lisa Shumaker

Posted on 01/11/2013 4:06:57 AM PST by rawhide

A nuclear-powered U.S. attack submarine struck a suspected fishing vessel shortly after passing through the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf on Thursday, damaging one of the submarine's periscopes but injuring no one, a Navy official said on the condition of anonymity.

The Navy's Fifth Fleet said in a statement the vessel appeared unaware of the incident, adding it "continued on a consistent course and speed offering no indication of distress or acknowledgment of a collision."

The USS Jacksonville, a Los Angeles-class, nuclear-powered submarine, did not appear to suffer further damage, the Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet said.

"The reactor remains in a safe condition. There was no damage to the propulsion plant systems and there is no concern regarding watertight integrity," it said.

The incident, which took place at 5 a.m. local time and is under investigation, follows an August collision between a U.S. guided missile destroyer and an oil tanker.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bahrain; fifthfleet; jacksonville; losangelesclass; navy; nuclearsubmarine; submarine; usnavy; uss

1 posted on 01/11/2013 4:07:06 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

I’ve never understood why you would want to send a sub through the straight of Hormuz. Probably too shallow to chase other subs and there are other ways to gather intel in the gulf. How is it worth the risk? I suppose if you’re an admiral and you need to get rid of a captain you can send him through.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 4:15:56 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: rawhide

I sure hope nothing happens to the Captain, reads like it was purely accidental.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 4:16:06 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: rawhide

Were there any witnesses?

If a terrorists boat sinks in the ocean and nobody sees it?...


4 posted on 01/11/2013 4:16:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rawhide
USS Jacksonville
5 posted on 01/11/2013 4:22:43 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Reading the article I am confused as to what happened. Did our sub not see the fishing vessel and rammed into it by accident or since it said a “suspected fishing vessel” were we chasing it and that was the method of aspprehending them was to hit the boat with the sub instead of using firepower?


6 posted on 01/11/2013 4:24:05 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: 2001convSVT

Oh he’ll be gone within days and reassigned to the Pentagon. He won’t command another sub.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 4:26:57 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2001convSVT
damaging one of the submarine's periscopes

Since it was just a periscope that was damaged, the captain may be okay? I'm curious to understand how they did not know they hit anything, until later? Isn't someome always manning the periscope?

8 posted on 01/11/2013 4:27:26 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

It is very shallow water and hard to navigate. Jobs, rank, and money will be lost.


9 posted on 01/11/2013 4:29:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: rawhide

In other news; nothing at all happened in Bossier City, LA. today.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 4:34:33 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: bmwcyle

Now now..if the captain is of an affirmative action persuasion, excuses will abound and he will get a promotion.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 5:52:46 AM PST by Josa
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To: rawhide
Al Jareuters can't help but insert that the boat is a nuke (Horrors! Nuclear power!) when in fact all subs which begin "USS" are nuclear-powered (with one or two diesel exceptions.)


12 posted on 01/11/2013 6:13:48 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Blue Highway

Poorly written.

I think they meant to say the ‘other’ vessel (fishing boat) appeared unaware of the collision.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 6:22:37 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: 2001convSVT

There is no such thing as an accident on a $2.5 billion sub. If all else fails use the periscope. Unless the boat was totally shutdown and drifting and all electrical circuits off and they surfaced under it they knew it was there.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 6:31:19 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Josa

No, he will go. Nothing will save you.


15 posted on 01/11/2013 6:48:57 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: 2001convSVT
I sure hope nothing happens to the Captain, reads like it was purely accidental.

accidental is EXACTLY what the captain IS held responsible for.

16 posted on 01/11/2013 6:55:15 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: 2001convSVT

“I sure hope nothing happens to the Captain, reads like it was purely accidental.”

EVERYTHING on a nuclear sub happens according to a checklist. Accidents are on the checklist to avoid. This captain will lose his command. Heads will role.


17 posted on 01/11/2013 7:33:40 AM PST by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: rawhide

DOW: “90 feet”
OOD: “No shapes or shado...crap.....”

BANG


18 posted on 01/11/2013 7:35:55 AM PST by PogySailor (Barack Obama just won the right to be the Captain of the Titanic)
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To: rawhide

“Isn’t someome always manning the periscope?”

No, not always. A boat relies on sonar. If anything or anyone is at fault then it would be the sonarmen on watch at the time. Fishing boats do not make as much noise in the water as larger vessels. With the water being shallow then that distorts sounds in the water because of the sounds bouncing all over the bottom. With all of the sounds in the Strait it would be confusing to a sonarman but a good sonarman should have ‘heard’ it.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 7:59:01 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
With all of the sounds in the Strait it would be confusing to a sonarman but a good sonarman should have ‘heard’ it.

A "good" sonarman probably hears every boat in the Persian Gulf--AT THE SAME TIME! As others have pointed out, the Gulf is shallow, and relatively small. Any sounds produced by boats and other vessels radiate and bounce in every direction. And to your statement, fishing boats make just as much noise, depending on their size. Non-military vessels do not put much emphasis on sound-proofing. Furthermore, I couldn't tell from the story where the fishing boat was, if it was moving, or dead in the water. Its first detection may have been only through the periscope. Bad luck, as much as anything else.

20 posted on 01/11/2013 8:08:05 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Josa
...if the captain is of an affirmative action persuasion, excuses will abound and he will get a promotion.

All things are possible. Tim Dorsey, as a LTJG intentionally shot down a
USAF recon plane. No court-martial, no discharge, no jail-time. All the
Navy did was ban him from flying likely because his dad was a carrier CO
at the time. Tim is now a Captain. The Senate recently refused to promote
him to the rank of Rear Admiral in the naval reserve because of the
shootdown.

Dorsey didn't bother sending an apology to the USAF crew injured in the
shootdown for decades but finally did when under consideration for the latest promotion.

21 posted on 01/11/2013 8:27:51 AM PST by QT3.14 ( USA: Likely only country in world history to adopt policies and laws that ensure self-destruction)
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To: Lou L

“As others have pointed out, the Gulf is shallow, and relatively small. Any sounds produced by boats and other vessels radiate and bounce in every direction.”

Yes, that is exactly what I said!


22 posted on 01/11/2013 8:41:46 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
Yes, that is exactly what I said!

You did, but you also said "a good sonarman would've heard it [the fishing boat]."

I'm saying, perhaps, a good sonarman would've heard it. The conditions are challenging in the Gulf, as we both agree. The fishing boat might've been idling, DIW, or otherwise indistinguishable from the ambient noise, in which case, even the best sonarmen would have a hard time detecting it.

I'm not excusing the incident, I'm just intimating there may be circumstances out of the control of sonarmen or the captain.

23 posted on 01/11/2013 9:16:27 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: rawhide

Nope the days of being able to run aground (like Nimitz did early on) or be involved in a collision at sea and not have it kill your career are long gone.

Shame ... Sounds like it was small enough that sonar couldn’t pick it up and that they were just a little too shallow. Periscope is only put up occasionally to check on things when at proper depth but they do tend to protrude out the top a bit similar to an antenna even when stowed - or at least older models did...


24 posted on 01/11/2013 9:43:08 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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DR Nathan B. Sukols, bio
COMMANDING OFFICER
USS Jacksonville (SSN 699)


25 posted on 01/11/2013 12:14:58 PM PST by deport
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To: driftdiver; All

Are periscopes still optical? Surely they’ve gone full Digital by now...


26 posted on 01/11/2013 1:19:13 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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