Skip to comments.U.S. attack submarine strikes vessel in Gulf
Posted on 01/11/2013 4:06:57 AM PST by rawhide
A nuclear-powered U.S. attack submarine struck a suspected fishing vessel shortly after passing through the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf on Thursday, damaging one of the submarine's periscopes but injuring no one, a Navy official said on the condition of anonymity.
The Navy's Fifth Fleet said in a statement the vessel appeared unaware of the incident, adding it "continued on a consistent course and speed offering no indication of distress or acknowledgment of a collision."
The USS Jacksonville, a Los Angeles-class, nuclear-powered submarine, did not appear to suffer further damage, the Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet said.
"The reactor remains in a safe condition. There was no damage to the propulsion plant systems and there is no concern regarding watertight integrity," it said.
The incident, which took place at 5 a.m. local time and is under investigation, follows an August collision between a U.S. guided missile destroyer and an oil tanker.
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I’ve never understood why you would want to send a sub through the straight of Hormuz. Probably too shallow to chase other subs and there are other ways to gather intel in the gulf. How is it worth the risk? I suppose if you’re an admiral and you need to get rid of a captain you can send him through.
I sure hope nothing happens to the Captain, reads like it was purely accidental.
Were there any witnesses?
If a terrorists boat sinks in the ocean and nobody sees it?...
Reading the article I am confused as to what happened. Did our sub not see the fishing vessel and rammed into it by accident or since it said a “suspected fishing vessel” were we chasing it and that was the method of aspprehending them was to hit the boat with the sub instead of using firepower?
Oh he’ll be gone within days and reassigned to the Pentagon. He won’t command another sub.
Since it was just a periscope that was damaged, the captain may be okay? I'm curious to understand how they did not know they hit anything, until later? Isn't someome always manning the periscope?
It is very shallow water and hard to navigate. Jobs, rank, and money will be lost.
In other news; nothing at all happened in Bossier City, LA. today.
Now now..if the captain is of an affirmative action persuasion, excuses will abound and he will get a promotion.
I think they meant to say the ‘other’ vessel (fishing boat) appeared unaware of the collision.
There is no such thing as an accident on a $2.5 billion sub. If all else fails use the periscope. Unless the boat was totally shutdown and drifting and all electrical circuits off and they surfaced under it they knew it was there.
No, he will go. Nothing will save you.
accidental is EXACTLY what the captain IS held responsible for.
“I sure hope nothing happens to the Captain, reads like it was purely accidental.”
EVERYTHING on a nuclear sub happens according to a checklist. Accidents are on the checklist to avoid. This captain will lose his command. Heads will role.
DOW: “90 feet”
OOD: “No shapes or shado...crap.....”
“Isn’t someome always manning the periscope?”
No, not always. A boat relies on sonar. If anything or anyone is at fault then it would be the sonarmen on watch at the time. Fishing boats do not make as much noise in the water as larger vessels. With the water being shallow then that distorts sounds in the water because of the sounds bouncing all over the bottom. With all of the sounds in the Strait it would be confusing to a sonarman but a good sonarman should have ‘heard’ it.
A "good" sonarman probably hears every boat in the Persian Gulf--AT THE SAME TIME! As others have pointed out, the Gulf is shallow, and relatively small. Any sounds produced by boats and other vessels radiate and bounce in every direction. And to your statement, fishing boats make just as much noise, depending on their size. Non-military vessels do not put much emphasis on sound-proofing. Furthermore, I couldn't tell from the story where the fishing boat was, if it was moving, or dead in the water. Its first detection may have been only through the periscope. Bad luck, as much as anything else.
All things are possible. Tim Dorsey, as a LTJG intentionally shot down a
USAF recon plane. No court-martial, no discharge, no jail-time. All the
Navy did was ban him from flying likely because his dad was a carrier CO
at the time. Tim is now a Captain. The Senate recently refused to promote
him to the rank of Rear Admiral in the naval reserve because of the
Dorsey didn't bother sending an apology to the USAF crew injured in the
shootdown for decades but finally did when under consideration for the latest promotion.
“As others have pointed out, the Gulf is shallow, and relatively small. Any sounds produced by boats and other vessels radiate and bounce in every direction.”
Yes, that is exactly what I said!
You did, but you also said "a good sonarman would've heard it [the fishing boat]."
I'm saying, perhaps, a good sonarman would've heard it. The conditions are challenging in the Gulf, as we both agree. The fishing boat might've been idling, DIW, or otherwise indistinguishable from the ambient noise, in which case, even the best sonarmen would have a hard time detecting it.
I'm not excusing the incident, I'm just intimating there may be circumstances out of the control of sonarmen or the captain.
Nope the days of being able to run aground (like Nimitz did early on) or be involved in a collision at sea and not have it kill your career are long gone.
Shame ... Sounds like it was small enough that sonar couldn’t pick it up and that they were just a little too shallow. Periscope is only put up occasionally to check on things when at proper depth but they do tend to protrude out the top a bit similar to an antenna even when stowed - or at least older models did...
Are periscopes still optical? Surely they’ve gone full Digital by now...