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NAPOLITANO: The right to shoot tyrants, not deer
Washington Times ^ | January 10, 2013 | Andrew P. Napolitano

Posted on 01/11/2013 5:22:21 AM PST by Bull Man

The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny. Yet the progressives in both political parties stand ready to use the coercive power of the government to interfere with the exercise of that right by law-abiding persons because of the gross abuse of that right by some crazies in our midst.

When Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, he was marrying the nation at its birth to the ancient principles of the natural law that have animated the Judeo-Christian tradition in the West. Those principles have operated as a brake on all governments that recognize them by enunciating the concept of natural rights.

As we have been created in the image and likeness of God the Father, we are perfectly free just as He is. Thus, the natural law teaches that our freedoms are pre-political and come from our humanity and not from the government. As our humanity is ultimately divine in origin, the government, even by majority vote, cannot morally take natural rights away from us. A natural right is an area of individual human behavior — like thought, speech, worship, travel, self-defense, privacy, ownership and use of property, consensual personal intimacy — immune from government interference and for the exercise of which we don’t need the government’s permission.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; control; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
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We need to get behind Gun Appreciation day set for January 19. I have word from an inside source on capital hill the NRA is about to pull an AARP and sell the membership out to Washington insiders. the NRA jumped on the same bandwagon as msnbc and smeared the day as being organized by fringe nuts. We all know the routine since we have seen it done to us and our candidates time and time again. We need to get the word out and support people and organizations that support our gun rights without exception! LaPierre and the NRA may think they can have it both ways by striking a deal with the Whitehouse and then tell us it is a good compromise ala AARP. NO! Our second amendment right is not negotiable.

www.GunAppreciationDay.com

1 posted on 01/11/2013 5:22:30 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: Bull Man

If we don’t continually “remind” these progressives what our liberties are, they will take every one of them away. That nasty old constitution is a real hindrance to them.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 5:29:05 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Bull Man

The judge make to only statement that should be made about the 2nd amendment.

We should stay out of the weeds and stick to the main point.

The left refuse to acknowledge the reason for the 2nd.

They do, because they are the tyrants that the framers were talking about.

By the way, you notice when you make this argument with one of them, it is like holding garlic in front of vampires.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 5:32:57 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

exactly


4 posted on 01/11/2013 5:33:37 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Bull Man

HERE COME DA JUDGE!

:^)


5 posted on 01/11/2013 5:33:37 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Bull Man

http://www.listityourselfauctions.com/uploaded/2009-6-7/daf040232Da6b32D4abb2D9c552Da6ccc74a048auss.v4.jpg


6 posted on 01/11/2013 5:33:46 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Bull Man
My Oath for Commissioned Officer that I took "I HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AN OFFICER IN THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES, AS INDICATED IN THE ABOVE DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD" Then apparently, the political elected leadership in Wash DC that subscribes to destroying the liberties guaranteed by the US Constitution are the enemy!
7 posted on 01/11/2013 5:34:38 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Bull Man

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8 posted on 01/11/2013 5:37:02 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Bull Man

Pfl


9 posted on 01/11/2013 5:40:18 AM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Bull Man
"[A] bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse." 
--- Thomas Jefferson December 20, 1787 
10 posted on 01/11/2013 5:41:49 AM PST by randita
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To: Bull Man; All
the NRA is about to pull an AARP and sell the membership out to Washington insiders

When the backed Harry Reid I canceled my membership.

IMHO Wayne LaPierre needs to step aside. When he goes to the lame stream media he comes across nervous and rattled and it comes out all wrong.

The NRA IMHO is in desperate need of a orator with amazing skills that is unflappable.

Alan West for the Head of the NRA, or at least their main Press Spokesman.

11 posted on 01/11/2013 5:43:44 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Bull Man

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm

Federalist Papers # 10
The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection (continued)
Daily Advertiser
Thursday, November 22, 1787
[James Madison]


12 posted on 01/11/2013 5:45:30 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: taildragger

Alan West for the Head of the NRA, or at least their main Press Spokesman.


That would make heads explode.

I’d even open my wallet to the NRA again if they did that.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 5:47:24 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Bull Man

I wish Andrew didn’t have the same last name as that witch Janet, because the title throws me off.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 5:47:37 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: jazusamo; Lancey Howard; P-Marlowe; Bull Man
This is such a good article. Napolitano could be politically correct and fudge things to say machine guns, tanks, etc., were no way intended to be protected by the 2d amendment. From the article,

The principal reason the colonists won the American Revolution is that they possessed weapons equivalent in power and precision to those of the British government. If the colonists had been limited to crossbows that they had registered with the king’s government in London, while the British troops used gunpowder when they fought us here, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would have been captured and hanged.

We also defeated the king’s soldiers because they didn’t know who among us was armed, because there was no requirement of a permission slip from the government in order to exercise the right to self-defense. (Imagine the howls of protest if permission were required as a precondition to exercising the freedom of speech.) Today, the limitations on the power and precision of the guns we can lawfully own not only violate our natural right to self-defense and our personal sovereignties, they assure that a tyrant can more easily disarm and overcome us.

The historical reality of the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us. If the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had had the firepower and ammunition that the Nazis had, some of Poland might have stayed free and more persons would have survived the Holocaust.

Most people in government reject natural rights and personal sovereignty. Most people in government believe that the exercise of everyone’s rights is subject to the will of those in the government. Most people in government believe that they can write any law and regulate any behavior, not subject to the natural law, not subject to the sovereignty

If Washington and Jefferson had been limited to bows and arrows and had to register even those, Napolitano is correct, the Revolution would never have been won.

15 posted on 01/11/2013 5:47:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Bull Man

bm


16 posted on 01/11/2013 5:48:32 AM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Vision

I thought the Obama Administration outlawed that term in his last administration??


17 posted on 01/11/2013 5:52:49 AM PST by Doc Hunter
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To: Bull Man
I have word from an inside source on capital hill the NRA is about to pull an AARP and sell the membership out to Washington insiders

Obama has that effect on people AFTER their little visit to the White Hut.

18 posted on 01/11/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by jersey117
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To: BCW

Have you been to oathkeepers.org, bro (or sis)? In any event, there are a lot of us who agree with you.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 5:59:52 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: dforest
The third amendment tells you the way you can know that the puke is a tyrant ~ he's put his agents in your house, they've got weapons and brutal methods, you didn't want them in there ~ and the second gives you the method ~ force of arms before they get there!

Rather intriguing that the modern Democrat party has adopted the same methods as Louis XIV to suppress dissent and resistance ~ they've got ObamaKKKare ~ it's so expensive they demand full control of your wallet, even the pitiful change purses of the poor, and they want to tell you when and how to get a proctocological exam!

Talk about intrusive!~

The second amendment advises each and every one of us that we are, in this country, nobility ~ with all the rights and privileges any nobleman ever had ~ to sit on a jury, to sue in court for personal damages, to vote, to attend meetings of government officials, or kings, to pass on laws in designated bodies, to tend to our own business, to own, to buy, to sell, to breath the air ~ BTW, this stuff isn't just late 1700s English common law ~ this goes all the way back to ancient Sumer where the rich man may not use the authority of the government to force the poor man to sell him his land nor his vines. Our current USSC violated that one in the CT case ~ they continue to punt when they find the intrusive ObamaKKKare to be merely a tax!

We all have a right to self-defense ~ and it is getting near the time when the oppressors will need to be deposed ~ and dealt with like the criminal trasy they really are.

20 posted on 01/11/2013 6:00:17 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: taildragger
Alan West for the Head of the NRA, or at least their main Press Spokesman

You know...I never thought of that, but can't say it is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, rather like it!

21 posted on 01/11/2013 6:00:48 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: cableguymn

I was over there in country during OIF when that “certain” incident occurred — and thought to myself - he did what any great commander would do for his troops — I remember an O-6 (MP) telling my about it - my reply, “Good for him.”


22 posted on 01/11/2013 6:01:45 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Bull Man
We never agreed to give up our First Amendment rights..

but for decades the "Fairness Doctrine" said that free speech meant that the licensed broadcasting industry (individual radio stations) must offer air time for opposing viewpoints on controversial issues.. or else!

The First Amendment remained but conservative opinion was stifled simply by citizens' (liberal shills') complaints about "fairness" thus threatening the station owners' licenses..

a kinda of "Fairness Doctrine" approach would give the illusion that the Second Amendment was respected. Maybe, complaints from gun-grabber shills that it's not fair how Joe Gunowner does this or that so he must store his firearms at a government location or something . . . .

The point is: We never agreed to give up our First Amendment rights but . . . .

23 posted on 01/11/2013 6:03:57 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Bull Man

Debating the 2nd Amendment’s wording is another diversion when we consider its context: it is part of the Bill of Rights. Does anyone believe that when the Founders compiled their catalogue of inalienable rights (free speech, due process, protection against search and seizure, etc.) that they would, in just the second item, change the subject to conscripts’ military preparedness against foreign invaders? Such an interpretation is a laughable non sequitur.

It is clear that the 2nd Amendment was intended to function exactly as the rest of the Bill of Rights: protect the individual from the government.


24 posted on 01/11/2013 6:04:03 AM PST by relictele
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To: Bull Man
Doesn't sound like the NRA was too happy about their "meeting" yesterday.

Statement From the NRA Regarding Today’s White House Task Force Meeting

Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners – honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works – and what does not.

-NRA-

25 posted on 01/11/2013 6:06:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Bull Man
Wow. I read the headline and had to click to read it.

I thought it was Janet Napolitano who said this and just had to see.

Andrew Napolitano for President!

26 posted on 01/11/2013 6:23:45 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Bull Man

Where did this crazy idea pop up that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our hunting rights? It unquestionably was put there by the Founders so the citizens of the USA could defend themselves against a tyrannical Government - the situation we are entering now in 2008.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 6:27:26 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: BCW

“That I will support and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.”
This is written to mean that the military shall not follow a tyrannical governments orders.
Do you think our modern military will read this in the manner in which it was written or will they follow A tyrannical governments orders?
I personally am not sure that they understand what it says
because in some ways they have also been dumbed down.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 6:57:59 AM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Bull Man

So when will the NRA start telling its members how best to ACT using the 2A as their badge?

Seriously, we could all just jump in the cattle cars straight to the re-education camps like Beck wants us to do to “overwhelm the courts” or we just act at the count of one while Obama waits for three.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 7:04:23 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: xzins
The principal reason the colonists won the American Revolution is that they possessed weapons equivalent in power and precision to those of the British government.

Actually most colonists had better weapons. The redcoats used I think about75 calibre smooth bore Brown Bess with very poor accuracy. While most colonists had rifles that could shoot accuratly out to 200 plus yards.

30 posted on 01/11/2013 7:04:43 AM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: Bull Man

Right now a major, long term project for gun rights supporters should be to establish the states as a “buffer” between the federal government and the people.

That is, by ourselves, the people will eventually be overwhelmed by federal cunning and persistence, likely because they have what they think is a bottomless purse, and are willing to keep at it 24/7, just wearing the resistance of the people down.

So the people need to enlist the help of the states as a balance against the federal government, something the founding fathers knew all too well.

In practical terms, we need for the states to recognize that the second amendment in not *just* an individual right, but also a states’ right. A tenth amendment issue as well.

The way the people are protected by the states is for the states to assert sovereignty over gun law which was unconstitutionally usurped by the federal government.

Eight states — Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming — have adopted laws in recent years that would exempt guns made in the state from federal regulation as long as they remain in the state.

However, this needs to be enlarged in two ways: both by increasing the number of states asserting this authority; and just as importantly, by creating legal incentives (removing legal obstacles) for gun and ammunition manufacturers to begin production of “state guns”, not for export.

A good, backdoor approach to this would be to create “classic” guns, with ornate “state” engraving. Right now, for example, several companies make reproduction Sharps rifles, and with the addition of a laser engraved “Montana” put on it, for example, it would be clear that it is exempt from federal gun laws as long as it stays in, and is used exclusively in, Montana.

Such guns are highly functional, but would also appear to be decorative, which would help when the federals took the manufacturer to court for not being federally licensed.

But if the state won that case, it would open the door to the production of all sorts of state guns in contravention of federal law.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 7:07:33 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: taildragger
Alan West for the Head of the NRA, or at least their main Press Spokesman.

Newt Gingrich is available, too, last I heard.

The Leftard newsies would absolutely hate being assigned to try to screw him over in a live interview. He'd eat their lunches and wouldn't leave a tip.

32 posted on 01/11/2013 7:19:32 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The point is: We never agreed to give up our First Amendment rights but . .

Point taken. Our hybristic, amoral, motivated, and therefore tactically superior opponents will do whatever they can imagine to do us out of our rights to live as we wish, and that we must, at this crisis, simply set our faces in stone and refuse their every advance, trick, importunity, and lie.

33 posted on 01/11/2013 7:24:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cheerio
This young Lady really hits the nail on the head in he testimony to the Senate. Video.

Dr. Suzanna Hupp Testimony (Better Quality) to Congress on the Second Amendment

The last few seconds are truly priceless!

34 posted on 01/11/2013 7:25:01 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Cheerio
Where did this crazy idea pop up that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our hunting rights?

Dezinformatsiya put out by the other side. The intention being to isolate owners of carbines, AR's, and AK's as some sort of special offenders.

35 posted on 01/11/2013 7:31:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cheerio

“Where did this crazy idea pop up that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our hunting rights?”

Any politician who is so ignorant about the constitution that they think the 2A protects hunters is by definition too ignorant to hold office. That especially goes for Commissar Cuomo. Hey Andy, I dont need 10 bullets to kill a deer, I need 30 bullets to defend my liberty from tyrants like you!


36 posted on 01/11/2013 7:35:12 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: BCW

I’m afraid too many of our elected officials and members of our military only take their oaths as a formality and not as a serious obligation.


37 posted on 01/11/2013 7:41:26 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet
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To: Red_Devil 232
Suzanna Gratia Hupp is a Texas folk-heroine among the concealed-carry crowd.

She's a survivor of the cafeteria killings in Killeen, Texas (yes, Fort Hood is very nearby), 20 years ago, when bitter-ender Charles Hennard drove his pickup through the plate-glass front of a Luby's cafeteria, got out, and started killing people with a pair of autopistols.

Liberals immediately went off on the fact that at least one of Hennard's pistols was a double-stacker. But Hupp, who was there, fought back, saying that her parents died right there at her table because she, unwilling to risk an offense, left her personal revolver in her vehicle's glove compartment. Hennard wasn't stopped until the Texas DPS officers who "were only minutes away" finally showed up and killed him.

Concealed carry wasn't legal at that time in Texas, and any kind of carry was a Class B misdemeanor. That law influenced Hupp to give up her parents' lives to the law. Her terrible experience and her subsequent tireless work and testimony overcame the prating and ranked choirs of fallen seraphim on the other side, and Texas got concealed carry.

38 posted on 01/11/2013 7:41:53 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: relictele
not only is it ludicrous, the expression 'keep and bear arms' is only the beginning of the rights enjoyed by medieval noblemen!

Independent cities might also 'keep arms' ~ but only nobles had the Right to keep arms ~ whether the king agreed or not, and to bear them ~ against the king, or against other nobles, or against commoners, or against even churchmen or foreigners!

It was an unfettered right created thousands of years ago for the purpose of creating a ruling elite.

We The People are the ruling elite in America, and through the Bill of Rights we enobled every man, woman and child. We have all those ancient rights and privileges.

Sometimes you'll hear about the Founders expressing their 'rights as Englishmen' ~ and there they are. England, at that time was far more advanced than the other and lesser states in Europe ~ even commoners had rights there ~ not all the rights, but enough for them to prize them highly.

How clever of the Founders to hide that phrase in the Bill of Rights. He who has understanding may read those words and say 'I am the king around here ~ and my servants are unfaithful ~ dispose of them'.

39 posted on 01/11/2013 8:18:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: lakecumberlandvet
The oaths taken by politicians are forced on them ~ but the military take the oaths voluntarily.

That's why we know you can't trust any of the politicians ~ ever!

40 posted on 01/11/2013 8:23:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Cuomo is your typical mafia thug. He can control neither his libido nor his propensity to steal.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 8:24:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: certrtwngnut

no, the military has not been dumbed down ~ maybe the JCS, and the Commander in chief and his running dog lackeys, but the troops know what the oath means ~ in fact, they always knew.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 8:28:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Cuomo is your typical mafia thug. He can control neither his libido nor his propensity to steal.”

Andy has been pretending to be a moderate since he was elected and kept his leftism under wraps until the SOTU. Then he went full leftist, screaming like Il Duce from the podium. It was only a matter of time.


43 posted on 01/11/2013 8:36:39 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: xzins

A very powerful piece by Napolitano, he gets to the meat of the second and pulls no punches.


44 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:55 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Napolitano for SCOTUS.....IF he is pro-life.


45 posted on 01/11/2013 9:10:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
"Napolitano for SCOTUS.....IF he is pro-life."

AMEN, and he is.

excerpt:

Judge Andrew Napolitano of the Fox News Channel delights in telling reporters that he’s “fiercely pro-life.”

Judge Andrew Napolitano: 'Fiercely pro-life'

46 posted on 01/11/2013 9:20:22 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Cheerio

“Where did this crazy idea pop up that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our hunting rights?”

The NRA started that about 100 years ago with their “sporting purposes of firearms” crap.


47 posted on 01/11/2013 9:59:16 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: lakecumberlandvet
I’m afraid too many of our elected officials and members of our military only take their oaths as a formality and not as a serious obligation.

Yep. The same way most people treat marriage vows.
48 posted on 01/11/2013 10:01:32 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Cheerio
Where did this crazy idea pop up that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our hunting rights?

It always looked to me as a tactic by the left to create a split in the gun rights constituency. This effectively keeps the decent down.

49 posted on 01/11/2013 10:06:33 AM PST by Bull Man
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To: taildragger
"If blacks had guns they wouldn't have been slaves..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k-kODv28bAc

50 posted on 01/11/2013 10:12:55 AM PST by Bull Man
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