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Navy admits standard-issue uniform is highly flammable and will melt onto skin
UK Daily Mail ^ | 10 January 2013 | By Beth Stebner

Posted on 01/11/2013 6:04:23 AM PST by US Navy Vet

The U.S. Navy’s standard-issue blue digitized camouflage fatigues are highly flammable and will burn ‘robustly until complete consumption,’ a report revealed last month. The findings show that the digital-print camo, which is made from 50 percent cotton and 50 percent nylon, will drip as it burns, causing potentially hazardous burn injuries. But the Navy’s top spokesman said that the government organization is aware of the report findings, and added that sailors had asked for a fade-resistant uniform that was also comfortable.

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...Just Swell...
1 posted on 01/11/2013 6:04:33 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Made in China?


2 posted on 01/11/2013 6:06:23 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: US Navy Vet

I remember melting my nylon pants on the lawnmower manifold...


3 posted on 01/11/2013 6:07:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: US Navy Vet

” But the Navy’s top spokesman said that the government organization is aware of the report findings, and added that sailors had asked for a fade-resistant uniform that was also comfortable.”

Is burning to death comfortable?


4 posted on 01/11/2013 6:08:02 AM PST by EEGator
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To: US Navy Vet
Well, who would thunk that?

Blue Digital uniforms that burn Like HMS Sheffield aren't working.

The United States Navy look at HMS Coventry and said, We can kill our sailors even faster and more efficiently!

Good Job Navy, Good Job.

5 posted on 01/11/2013 6:09:45 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: US Navy Vet

sailors had asked for a fade-resistant uniform that was also comfortable.


So the brass and the civilians blame the sailors.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 6:12:49 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: US Navy Vet
"Most synthetic fabric, such as nylon, acrylic or polyester resist ignition. However, once ignited, the fabrics will melt. This sticky, hot, melted substance will cause localized and very severe burns. When natural and synthetic fibers are blended, the hazard may increase due to the combination of a high rate of burning and melting usually will result in serious burns. In some cases, the hazard may be greater than that of either fabric individually."

Fabric Finishing Partners

7 posted on 01/11/2013 6:13:03 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: US Navy Vet

.....look into who made them, then look into who ran test on them (consumer test)...AND THEN, try and find out who in Congress invested in the company who produced them.-


8 posted on 01/11/2013 6:13:29 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: US Navy Vet
Navy admits standard-issue uniform
Would someone please explain to me why sailors need to wear blue digitized camouflage in the first place?
9 posted on 01/11/2013 6:16:05 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: US Navy Vet

Bad idea from the get-go. This is what happens when a Service becomes an ‘enterprise’. Easy fix: no digitized cammies in a shipboard environment.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 6:17:37 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: oh8eleven

So they’ll blend in with the ocean if they fall overboard?

PS - our Sailors snidely refer to these uniforms as ‘aqua-flage’.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 6:19:42 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: oh8eleven

Really? If you fall overboard it’s a lot harder for sharks to find you. Gees.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 6:19:45 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: US Navy Vet
"THE SMOKING LAMP IS OUT...THE SMOKING LAMP IS OUT."
13 posted on 01/11/2013 6:25:47 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Doogle
Wonder if other services digital camo uniforms have the same ‘Fire retardant’ properties?
14 posted on 01/11/2013 6:25:59 AM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. The Edge of the world is Square and water pours over it!)
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To: oh8eleven

The fabric was on sale.


15 posted on 01/11/2013 6:27:41 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: oh8eleven

So that they blend in with the water...


16 posted on 01/11/2013 6:29:21 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’ve seen this ‘camo’ up close. It even has little ‘US Navy’ icons. No wonder ‘Last Resort’ got canceled after a couple of episodes.


17 posted on 01/11/2013 6:32:20 AM PST by real saxophonist (I show my friends my 1911. I show my enemies my Glock.)
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To: Kozak

Nancy Pelosis husband was in the fabric stock market at the time and needed a few quick million.


18 posted on 01/11/2013 6:32:24 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: moose07

Not “fire retardants”. Fire retards.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 6:33:41 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: maine yankee

“sailors had asked for a fade-resistant uniform that was also comfortable.”

So, I’m assuming that the blue 100% cotton shirts and dungarees that sailors wore aboard ship were uncomfortable?


20 posted on 01/11/2013 6:33:56 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: US Navy Vet
"...50 percent cotton and 50 percent nylon..."

Un-Be_Lievable. Stunning. I am a dope when it comes to clothing, but even I know you don't use standard issue clothing with that blend in an environment where you may have to deal with fires.

Stunning.

21 posted on 01/11/2013 6:34:21 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: BipolarBob

“Nancy Pelosis husband was in the fabric stock market at the time and needed a few quick million.”

Yep. I was just thinking those uniforms came from someone connected to the CriminalIn Chief.


22 posted on 01/11/2013 6:35:01 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: KC_Lion

“Good Job Navy, Good Job.”

Well, they are “A Global Force for Good.” So, they have that going for them.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 6:35:52 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: rlmorel

When I was in the Navy (long ago) the standard issue dungarees were a nylon blend. When wet and tied at the ankles they would hold air and could be used as a floatation device. They were quite stiff, would melt if too hot. Most chose to wear the optional cotton dungarees instead.


24 posted on 01/11/2013 6:38:29 AM PST by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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To: tgusa
When I was in during the late 80s we were wearing the chambray shirts with iron transferred rank insignia, over a white tee shirt, with denim pants, web belt, black socks. and mid-cut leather boots called boondockers, though I sprung for some steel toed Danners. We either wore the "dixie cup" or the command ball cap.

They weren't the sharpest working uniform ever made, but they were a throwback to the uniform worn since WW2 and represented a tradition all of its own that way. The "aquaflage" represents an organization playing "me too" on BDU style uniforms. For a more durable working uniform, the Navy should just make the navy blue coveralls we all wore for dirty work the standard shipboard uniform, maybe put some better cargo pockets on them. If a squid is doing work among the ground pounders, just adopt the Marines' MARPAT, but with a Navy symbology repeating in the fabric rather than the globe and anchor theme in the USMC version.
25 posted on 01/11/2013 6:39:27 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: rlmorel

When I was in the Navy (long ago) the standard issue dungarees were a nylon blend. When wet and tied at the ankles they would hold air and could be used as a floatation device. They were quite stiff, would melt if too hot. Most chose to wear the optional cotton dungarees instead.


26 posted on 01/11/2013 6:39:37 AM PST by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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To: US Navy Vet

One of my dearest friends (now deceased) was on the USS Forrestal during that horrific episode ... the “Forrest fire” as it is called. Maybe the Navy has forgotten about that with their highly flammable, melting uniforms. Burns are horrific - pain, suffering, disfiguring damage and long difficult recovery, if you survive. Shame on the Navy.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 6:40:20 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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But this can't be; the Navy specifically stated that these uniforms met all fire safety standards when they were announced in 2009. Surely fire safety standards do not include ‘igniting like a human torch when exposed to fire.’

Ahh, well, at least there was money left over to make a couple patrol boats for three billion dollars.

28 posted on 01/11/2013 6:43:35 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Our flight suits in the USAF back in the 50’s and 60’s were also very flammable and tended to melt and stick to ones skin. I don’t know about today’s green bags but I wouldn’t be surprised.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 6:43:44 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: US Navy Vet
added that sailors had asked for a fade-resistant uniform that was also comfortable.

How stupid is this?
One hazard you can be sure of in the service is fire.
I still remember my crew chief tearing me a new one the first time I wore a polyester polo shirt under my flight suit.
Cotton only!
Aye, Aye!

30 posted on 01/11/2013 6:44:36 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: US Navy Vet
When in the Navy and on fire, just jump in the ocean.

There. My work here is done.

31 posted on 01/11/2013 6:44:42 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Being a welder and plumber I always wore cotton and taught so from day one. And that was 35 years ago. This is nothing new.


32 posted on 01/11/2013 6:51:10 AM PST by Conserev1
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To: US Navy Vet

It’s great camo...if you fell over the side, no one would ever see you and if you’re on land, you stand out like a sore thumb.


33 posted on 01/11/2013 6:54:04 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: paterfamilias

No but cotton fades quickly. just don’t play with matches everything will be Otay.


34 posted on 01/11/2013 6:54:48 AM PST by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Hardraade

[snort] touche... :)


35 posted on 01/11/2013 6:55:01 AM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. The Edge of the world is Square and water pours over it!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Get rid of them. They’re ugly as Hell anyway.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 6:55:25 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: oh8eleven

‘cause all the other guys have their camo


37 posted on 01/11/2013 6:55:39 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: paterfamilias

No, they were great, especially the bells


38 posted on 01/11/2013 6:56:57 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: US Navy Vet

“The Navy’s standard-issue blue camouflage uniforms are highly flammable and will melt onto the skin when burning, a recent Navy test revealed.

A second revelation: This comes as no surprise to the Navy.

“We knew when we designed this uniform that it wasn’t flame-resistant,” said Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy’s top spokesman.”

What a great guy to have leading you...


39 posted on 01/11/2013 6:57:02 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Don Corleone; US Navy Vet

Current flight suits are Nomex - very flame resistant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomex


40 posted on 01/11/2013 6:58:11 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Seem to recall in “aught 9” the Marine Corps ordered an end to all synthetic under-wear (under armor, nike, rebock, etc.). The reason, horrible burns when the lads were exposed to fire. In addition to the burning, debriding wounds became problematic adding infection issues and problems with skin grafting.

Cotton kills in cold weather, but in the heat.......


41 posted on 01/11/2013 6:59:18 AM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: oh8eleven

To make them harder to find when they fall overboard. Wait...


42 posted on 01/11/2013 7:01:56 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: oh8eleven

From day one, that is what I wondered. Why? Why? Why?

It was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. Blue Cammies. Was it a “Meee tooo” warfighting thing? Just dumb.

Christ, I was a sailor, and this Navy keeps embarrassing the crap out of me. I think it hit a low when I saw that television thing on PBS about carriers, and they showed the whininess and political correctness that is rampant.


43 posted on 01/11/2013 7:02:34 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: oh8eleven

To make them harder to find when they fall overboard. Wait...


44 posted on 01/11/2013 7:04:05 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: oh8eleven

To make them harder to find when they fall overboard. Wait...


45 posted on 01/11/2013 7:04:45 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: jagusafr

Multi post is example of SOS training: tell ‘em what you’re gonna tell ‘em, tell ‘em, tell ‘em whatcha told ‘em...

Yeah, that’s it.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 7:10:03 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: US Navy Vet

Ever cut a nylon rope and burn the end so it won’t unravel?
Put out the little flame with your thumb and forefinger?
I did...once. The melted nylon sticks like hot glue.


47 posted on 01/11/2013 7:12:54 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: US Navy Vet
The probably bought them at J.C.Penneys

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48 posted on 01/11/2013 7:13:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: real saxophonist
I’ve seen this ‘camo’ up close. It even has little ‘US Navy’ icons.

They do that, insert a trademarked detail into the pattern, so that third party vendors cannot legally sell exact copies of the uniform.

49 posted on 01/11/2013 7:14:24 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: stuartcr

Yeah, well maybe the laws of physics have changed in the last 35 years.


50 posted on 01/11/2013 7:16:46 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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